Before Ban - want him to clear off
No, not at all, more just wish he'd actually take on board that there are two sides to every story, and understand that his views are opinions and not fact. He was a massive PITA in that respect, but I respect him for standing by his beliefs.
After Ban - Why did you ban? him we all like him.
I don't think any differently of him now. I do think that, given how controversial he has been over the years, to get a ban right now, seemingly out of the blue, when TJ is/was about the most consistent forum member out there in terms of his approach to posts, it represents a shift in the goalposts of what's acceptable... Anyone remember the "Friday Kylie" threads for example? I'm all for being more inclusive, but suddenly moving the goalposts and punishing one or two individuals and holding them up as examples, is not the way to do things. A more progressive approach, explaining to existing members the new rules and guidelines of what is and isn't acceptable, and when things need to change by (otherwise expect to be banned) would have been a much better approach I'd say!
But who am I? I'm just a man, with opinions and beliefs that I stick to, sometimes I'll even end up in an argument and... Oh hang on... Bye bye, I'll see you all on the other side! (awaits the impending)... 😉
Anyone reading this thread might believe that jesus had returned but went off to walk the earth and left his flock behind.
Anytime i've seen a thread with a reasonable, but possibly debate inducing title that got beyond 5 pages it was easy to avoid as it would be full of the usual suspects who had forgot what they were arguing about to the point where it had just become pedantic white noise.
Lets not get all romantic about it, im sure he's a lovely man but he's been an argumentative git who was a part in ruining what could have been interesting threads and not just willy waving competitions.
Internet forums were made for arguing, banning someone for being argumentative is like banning someone from a swingers party for being non-monogamous (hope that's the right word/spelling).
As both DD and the other plastic Irishman O'Flashy alluded to, get him talking about something like rugby and he was on really good form. As also mentioned, there were people who posted on threads, not to comment on the subject, but to try and wind him up. I obviously can't comment on whether they are a negative an influence on STW as he was perceived to be as that would be commenting on a mods decision.He stepped away last year for a wee while when some of the stuff being put up the second he posted about anything was little short of bullying. Interesting to see some of the worst at that are still with us.
He also had enough of a sense of humour to congratulate me on the (now banned) randompedantry user name I created to "honour" him.
It's the mark of the man that he gets four pages about him going. Who's gonna do the eulogy?
He was never guilty of anything that his opponents weren't also guilty of, unfortunately he did seem to appear in many arguments with many different people. Got to say, for people suggesting he was inflexible on his positions, most of his arguments come across as a lot more coherent and well thought out than those he was always faced with, but he would definitely have been better off just leaving it. No one else is going to accept that they're wrong on the Internet either, and most of it, in the end just comes down to opinion.
Don't know him, but he seems like a good guy. At least he was always arguing for what he thought would be best for the majority. Pity he thought that arguing on the Internet would get him anywhere.
It's the mark of the man that he gets four pages about him going.
If we're going by that metric, sadly it looks like Fred would get an undeserved victory. Though that said, when Fred went, TJ was heavily posting on the thread complaining about it.
so top tips
Retain a sense of humour
Rise above the obvious trolls
and
When someone tells you that if you carry on doing that they will boot you forever maybe listen to them.
I'll miss some of it, other bits like the poor bloke asking what helmet to get his kid thread getting turned into another link fest I wont.
Not his eulogy but it brings to mind a story I remember from the Sheffield Star back in the early 90s. A young boy's pet dog had died and the parents, in an attempt to help him greive asked if he'd like to write something to say at the little ceremony they held when they buried the pup in the garden. The moment came, the body laid to rest and the little boy solemnly announced: "Here lies Fudge. He was a bad dog, I'm glad he's dead".
Seeriously though to me he came across as a bully. Much like a few others on here who are the main reason I've been a reader since GoFar dialup days but probably have a post count in the teens. Then again like any community there will always be overbearing personalities who have an overinflated sense on their own importance and the validity of their opinion. I just try and avoid them.
As he is no longer able to defend himself here, I think we should also have a lifetime ban for anyone who was taking the piss out of him or otherwise trying to stir things or get a cheap laugh by mentioning him in threads he had not even replied to.
Tory boys see this type of behaviour as normal.
^^^^^ he's back!!!!
*takes a bow*
Seriously though, I like Teej, just wish he wouldn't rise to the bait so much.
IDRATS and
hexhamstu - Member
Internet forums were made for arguing, banning someone for being argumentative is like banning someone from a swingers party for being non-monogamous
seems the most pertinent point.
He argued a lot was warned about it and carried on anyway.
Did I miss something?
Internet forums were made for arguing,
Oh no they're not.
He argued a lot was warned about it and carried on anyway.
[u]Apparently[/u] plenty others on here are worse, and they're still here. I [i]think[/i] that's what seems to be some people's beef.
i'll miss him. Despite his style, seemingly black and white views, inability to step away from an argument and his ability to make pretty personal attacks on users suggesting they're dumb because they disagree with him.... at least he was honest and you knew where you stood.
very helpful poster when you needed help.
none of us are perfect. and if he was warned against arguing and continued to do so anyway then he brought it on himself. its the singletrack forum and the singletrack mods have the final say in the end.
Hardly a surprise to be honest, mark is on the opposite side of the political scale, so probably to happy to ban him.
I am very surprise that people like stoner Z-11, GW who are nasty as possible never get banned. But hey ho each to their own.
Apparently plenty others on here are worse, and they're still here.
Protected status 😉
TJ is OK, argues a lot, so what?
I'm sure he has a cd collection to catalogue or something.
It's only the internet, it's not like getting banned from a good pub or anything like that, I'm sure he's got plenty of other stuff to do.
[quote=juan said]Hardly a surprise to be honest, mark is on the opposite side of the political scale, so probably to happy to ban him.
I am very surprise that people like stoner Z-11, GW who are nasty as possible never get banned. But hey ho each to their own.
🙄
Stoner - nasty ? 😆
If there was any kind of level playing field I reckon don simon would have also gone as he seemed to always be involved with a TJ orbital launch. That's negative use of the forum isn't it? Or are the rules selectively enforced?
If mark et al have decided they don't want TJ using their forum then that's it. Lets not pretend that they devote the same energies to us all or that the decision is 'fair'.
Adios TJ
Edit: stoner has (from memory) made a number of dull attempts to poke fun at Juan's nationality. I suspect this is what he's talking about.
Had to the fact that stoner is a banker and very right wing. All IMHO indeed.
Don simon run a business in Spain, said business provide money through advertisement, easy to spot why he's still here.
Stoner's in property dev or something like that, certainly doesn't come across as anything other than pleasant to me
never noticed stoner to be nasty, he does well for himself and some people dont like successful people!
never noticed Don simon advertising on the site either? making such accusations seems like negative use of the forum... BAN HIM! 😆
The forum's lost some diversity. You knew how TJ would respond, it's deep in his DNA. I like the bloke, but quite often I didn't read his input.
Will there be others?
Stoner is a pussycat!
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What we need is a league table of bans, warnings etc. Just so we can see how it's going 😉
Maybe there can be a strava mod to make it work for some Post Count KOM's
Stoner's a banker is he. I though he was a self employed brick counter 😉
Personally its easy to say but I hope the forum will be a more welcoming place without him (and will take less time to mod)
I'm sure he was a nice guy but the force to which he held his views on here was really difficult to handle for alot of people
juan, stop talking nonsense.
LoLing about stoner he's lush.
Might be other people who argue but point is TJ was warned, he even said so and admitted he argued to much and admitted he couldn't leave it. He's only himself to blame.
We all like to get our pov across but sometimes best thing is to walk away
juan, stop talking nonsense.
Oi! Sometimes he speaks sense! 😀
I look forward to seeing TJ on BikeMagic, he'll fit right in with the rest of us on their perfectly 😀
As I've mentioned Bike Magic (twice now), I'll no doubt get banned soon as it did seem to stick in the (sponsored by Singletrack) SITS commentators throat as he announced our Team member over the line and realised the cunning play on words we'd used as our team name...
don simon isn't even premier....
BAN HIM!
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I argued with him alot but he was good value.
I picked up his email address once and I hope I get a chance to banter or ride with him one day.
I'd love to have the helmet argument with him in person and see how it differed to all the many online ones we had.
I'm surprised with the Stoner comparison. Seems like a great guy to me and haven't seen anything nasty.
Stoner is both pleasant, and likes pipes. What's not to like?
I argued with him alot
negative use of the forum....
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Stoner's certainly a banker, just not [i]that[/i] type of banker.
Maybe all threads with more than three posts from any of TJ/Z-11/don simon/THM* should automatically get moved to a separate, hidden 'arguments forum' that only they can access. They could then carry on to their hearts content, with the bonus of them spending less time on the main forum because none of them could ever leave an argument.
*add or delete as appropriate
It's a shame but as Emsz said, it's hardly a suprise. Right or wrong, if you're taking up a lot of the mods' time then sometimes it's just easier to bring out the ban hammer (Copyright TJ).
I do suspect though that he'll actually be happier off here - some people did delight in winding him up just for the sport of it.
Stoners always been helpful in the threads I have seen
Bump.
This thread is still here?? wtf?
