I'm guessing there is a lot more to this than TJ is willing to make public... 😕
I'm struggling to find words that demonstrate how little of a shit I give about this guy being banned. He was warned, he kept doing it. So what?
And I appreciate the irony of posting that on this thread before anyone points it out.
It's actually quite embarassing that a man roughly the same age as my dad has managed to get himself a lifetime ban from an internet forum 😳
Awww, I liked TJ, even though he didn't like dogs, so was technically a wrong ' un. 🙁
It's actually quite embarassing that a man roughly the same as my dad has managed to get himself a lifetime ban from an internet forum
😆 My dad is 57....not sure how old TJ was but I'ds love to hear my old mans view on arguing on the interweb!
I'm struggling to find words that demonstrate how little of a shit I give about this guy being banned. He was warned, he kept doing it. So what?
And I appreciate the irony of posting that on this thread before anyone points it out.
Saved some typing.
It's actually quite embarassing that a man roughly the same as my dad has managed to get himself a lifetime ban from an internet forum
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that.
Hang on. "Life Time Ban".
Is that 'life time' as in until he falls off the perch or 'life time' as in a frame warranty?
If the latter, he'll be back inside a month.
Farewell TJ, we hardly knew ye.
My dad is 57....not sure how old TJ was but I'ds love to hear my old mans view on arguing on the interweb!
Roughly mid 50s I believe.
I too would love to hear my grumpy Irish father's thoughts on internet arguing.
Ah.. see.. he didn't throw epithets around, but he sure as hell insulted the crap out of me. Some very offensive accusations on a personal level, and then he refused to acknowledge that he'd said anything out of order.
This too was witnessed.
My dad would argue that it's pointless unless you can digitally throw a fist and break the other blokes actual nose.
He's just like that I'm afraid.
I'd love to see the email he received.
I got a full page from a certain STW'er just for being part of a raiding party upon a parrot forum.
i quite liked tj. Agreed and disagreed with him in equal measure. He brought something to the forum.
Not only get yourself banned from an internet forum but then broadcast it on FaceBook? 😯
Shame he's banned mind, although I suspect his post count record will be safe for when he returns in ten years.
Jeez, compared to b3ta.com this place is positively fluffy.
TJ was never that bad, I had a few discussions with him on here and when he said something I disagreed with I simply asked him to explain his reasoning, which he gamely did and that was that.
He seemed alright to me, but a few people on here used to go out of their way to antagonize him.
TJ is in his very early 50s - not the dinosaur some of you are suggesting.
As he is no longer able to defend himself here, I think we should also have a lifetime ban for anyone who was taking the piss out of him or otherwise trying to stir things or get a cheap laugh by mentioning him in threads he had not even replied to.
You know who you are....
What's to stop tj (or anyone else for that matter) creating a new account?
It's actually quite embarassing that a man roughly the same as my dad has managed to get himself a lifetime ban from an internet forum
1000 times this.
Is he getting an OBE or something?
even after a banning he's not giving in (via his agents). It was all *their* fault you know!
I think he'd be spotted quite quickly. And then banned again.What's to stop tj (or anyone else for that matter) creating a new account?
grtdkad - Member
What's to stop tj (or anyone else for that matter) creating a new account?
Easy enough to trace IP addresses I'd guess?
Easy enough to trace IP addresses I'd guess?
Easy enough to change.
IP addresses are (mostly) dynamic.
I once had a week's ban for admitting I had a second Login with the username "verysexylady"
I got off lightly - Verysexylady got 999999 years
even after a banning he's not giving in (via his agents). It was all [s]*their*[/s] Thatchers fault you know!
FTFY 😉
Half of me says it's a pity - he's a huge wealth of knowledge on many things in life, and always happy to offer advice, especially on workplace issues. I recall at least one user pretty much attributing the fact he rescued his job to TJ's on- and off-line help.
On the other hand, woe betide any thread on which he posted if his opinion differed to your own. There were certain types of thread that he destroyed just as efficiently as elfinmuppet, but without the comedy pictures.
On the whole, it's a pity he couldn't help himself, I'd agree with most here that on the whole, he'll be missed.
I struggle with long sentences
What's been happenin', I was out riding bikes! 😉
zokes - MemberOn the other hand, woe betide any thread on which he posted if his opinion differed to your own.
I've disagreed with TJ plenty of times and though he's forceful with his opinion, somehow we both coped.
What's been happenin', I was out riding bikes!
At 11:45pm? I call shenanigans. You were watching the review of the 2011-2012 Premier League season.
I've disagreed with TJ plenty of times and though he's forceful with his opinion, somehow we both coped.
Sure,
The trouble is it usually filled the thread with pages of tangential guff, which was the problem for anyone not interested in TJ's 'forcefully' placed point of view (or its counterpoint from other posters)
blimey - were some of TJ's posts deleted or was that as good/bad as it got ? 🙄
Instead of this slightly ****y cycle ( 😉 ) of argument/vitriol/closure/newthread/repeat/ban I think there should be a new sub-forum created called dignitas or the 3rd circle or something, where tired old threads can be sent to die/suffer interminably. Leave them open but move to the subforum on the understanding that entry there is for consenting individuals who [u]request[/u] access and that it'll be left unmoderated, even after complaints.
every now & then there could be a highlights notice on the main forum with postcounts and selected top insults from within
At 11:45pm? I call shenanigans. You were watching the review of the 2011-2012 Premier League season.
😆
Proper chuckling out loud here right now!
V funny
So I'm guessing his argumentativeness has had a ban...
Given that he's known for his opinions, and sticking to them, is this ban justified do you reckon? Far be it for me to say, but even after elfin's ban the forum was still a pretty liberal place where opinions were bandied about regularly and arguments ensued, but generally people kissed and made up. I've noticed recently though, there's VERY much a big brother feel around here, and anything that might be slightly controversial gets stamped out immediately... I've even had 2 warnings via email in the last week, never in the last 10 years (even expressing LOTS of opinions myself, and talking objectively about women on occasion) have I had a single email before! 😕
I first met him in 2005, shortly after he joined the forum, I think. Whenever I've met him in real life it's been easy enough for us to avoid the subjects that wound him up on here.
In some ways it's probably good for him that he can no longer rise to the bait on here. On the other hand, he was making more progress with the Pentlands trailbuilding efforts than anyone before him managed and he'll no longer be able to plug dates on here for that. 🙁
There is nothing more off putting to potential new users of a forum than long serving, seemingly constantly posting, users incessantly proffering forceful points of view and being argumentative. As this place is run to promote a magazine and encourage new users it seems fair enough that they pull the plug on those that make the place look unwelcoming. In my opinion he couldn't help himself falling into that category. He's not alone mind.
He did have his blind spots and often took up positions based on emotion and was completely unable to move from that position even in the face of overwhelming reason and logic or see any merit in an opposing argument something which THM, amongst others, exposed ruthlessly. For that reason I gave up discussing anything with him but otherwise found him generally harmless.
There is nothing more off putting to new users of a forum than long serving, seemingly constantly posting, users incessantly proffering forceful points of view and being argumentative.
How do you know that ?
Can't say I'm surprised, but also disappointed. I acknowledge and agree with most of the comments about the negative impact TJ sometimes had on the forum, but I'd suggest that on balance he had far more of a positive impact than a lot of people still on here. I say that as somebody who often totally disagreed with his viewpoint and I have been involved in several arguments with him on here, but I'd like to think that none of those ever descended into the sort of thing likely to result in a ban (my only ban from here was for something completely different). I will certainly miss his support on the topics where it felt like it was me and him against the world! The thing is though, it takes two to tango, and some on here seemed to revel in baiting TJ. I've certainly also defended him in the past when there was the sort of anti-TJ bullying just because he was TJ.
Still looking forward to meeting TJ in real life sometime.
As for the political threads on here, personally I tend to just ignore them nowadays - hence I hadn't even seen the offending thread. Sometimes look at the first few posts, but they're usually just so predictable that it's not even really entertaining just going on them to bait the usual suspects. I realised it wasn't good for my blood pressure to get involved (and that whatever I wrote on here wouldn't make the slightest difference to changing the world). I did try to persuade TJ not to get involved in such stuff, but efforts seem to have been wasted.
There is nothing more off putting to potential new users of a forum than long serving, seemingly constantly posting, users incessantly proffering forceful points of view and being argumentative. As this place is run to promote a magazine and encourage new users it seems fair enough that they pull the plug on those that make the place look unwelcoming. In my opinion he couldn't help himself falling into that category. He's not alone mind.
Agree with that.
also interesting that forum members also seem to switch sides. (generalisation, no one in particular)
Before Ban - want him to clear off
After Ban - Why did you ban? him we all like him.
There is nothing more off putting to potential new users of a forum than long serving, seemingly constantly posting, users incessantly proffering forceful points of view and being argumentative. As this place is run to promote a magazine and encourage new users it seems fair enough that they pull the plug on those that make the place look unwelcoming. In my opinion he couldn't help himself falling into that category. He's not alone mind.
This might be true but the forum is well subscribed and has enough content that new users can still find threads here that interest them (and can avoid the more inflammatory threads)
I have been a member of many smaller forums that cover a variety of interests that have been so dominated by their own 'big hitters' that only sycophants stand a chance of integrating. It's not like that here.
How do you know that ?
Because it's often the thing that stops me bothering with other forums and more pertinently for STW the main thing that comes up when talking with friends who are not members here but you would have thought should be as to there reasons they are not. Not very complimentary about some of you/us would be an understatement.
I will miss the argumentative sods posts even if they did infuriate me at times
Should it not come up with "banned" next to his name???
Does Unison have any sway with STW?
Sorry - bitter-sweet joke. On the whole, I reckon TJ is a positive influence here - the 'Go To' man for any tandem, consumer or workplace issues - Hell, people still 'page' him, despite it being against the rules whenever one of these subjects comes up.
IIRC he had a telling off earlier in the year and really did seem to be keeping his nose clean recently. I don't think his recent posts were becoming, "more entrenched". If anything, the opposite was true - he really has been holding himself in check. I could almost hear him banging his fists / forehead on the table sometimes 🙂
Anyway, I'm firmly in the 'censorship is bad' camp, mmKay?
What Aracer said. +1
