I read an interesting fact the other day, that more money is spent on the fraud investigation department each year than they claim back through fraudulent claims. So that is money well spent! 🙄
Also, are the people saying it is their money being spent, through taxes, the same ones who tell the police that they pay their wages?! 😆
Bloody immigrants coming over here scrounging off the state marriage of convenience having several children several homes and cars living the life of luxury at taxpayers' expense...
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Send the buggers back!
ernie_lynch:
Furthermore, it pales into insignificance when compared to Britain's £15 billion per year tax fraud. Yes that's right, tax evasion is FIFTEEN TIMES more serious than total benefit fraud. And that's not even tax 'avoidance' ....... it's just straight forward tax fraud.
I think you are over-looking the moral significance of benefit fraud. Lets not forget that whilst these people are not working, they are not paying tax, and more importantly in my experience they are bringing up children who will have similar values. Tax evasion is equally serious however people claiming benefits is also stealing from every person who pulls their weight - hence I don't care how little they are stealing, I would rather it went to something worthy and not in the pocket of a thief.
Who ever said it was a 'drop in the ocean' should consider the effect that that drop could have if it were spent in a school, hospital or charity.
deep_river - MemberI suppose your other unreal views are
1) Any one who is a member of a terrorist organisation that has attacked our country, has a right to come here and live ON BENEFITS.
2)People who protest in a violent and destructive manner have a right to do so, and it against there human rights to stop them using force!
Are you for real?
The fact that you keep refering to me as some newspaper reader means you are obvioulsy interested in politics, and this by default means you are probably corrupt!
that is some powerful logic you are using there. oh Deary me
So your opinion is probably also screwed by some political opinion.
perhaps i am basing it on what you have said on this thread.
I have no political opinion and just speak the truth of what I see on the street, and from my experiences, which are not mythical!!!!! you OTT lefty! why dont you go back to your Tony Benn shrine for somemore communist preaching!
That was my favourite bit 😆 You are so street and such a sayer of truths. Are you a rapper? ps the school is where your wife works not you so it is technically not your experiece it is hers apparently. It is at best hearsay and at worst BS.
I suppose your other unreal views are1) Any one who is a member of a terrorist organisation that has attacked our country, has a right to come here and live ON BENEFITS.
yes off course it is the natural conclusion to oppsoing your views. I am a political communist with an agenda that includes support for terrorist benefit claimants sshhhh you saw right through me 😳
2)People who protest in a violent and destructive manner have a right to do so, and it against there human rights to stop them using force!
No i agree with the Gadaffi solution bomb the shit out of them YOU?
Swalsey
I think Ernie was trying to put it in context.
"Benefit scroungers" is a moral panic built up by right wing press and commentators as the enemy within. yes it exists but is a small issue compared to tax fraud and avoidance for example. However far more money and time is spent chasing benefit cheats than tax cheats - despite the fact tht chasing tax cheats gets high returns and chasing benefit cheats does not.
I think that myself and some of treehuggers on here just have to agree to dis-agree!
Some people think that every problem is the fault of the state and the politicians, these are usually the same people who blame naughty children on the fact that the education system has let them down, rather than the fact that the parents are layabout scumbags.
I believe that everyone makes their own choices and luck. Sure, not everyone has the opportunity/ability to a highly paid lawyer, but everyone has the ability to make the most of there lives and pay there own way!
Now I belive that the Rainbow Warrior docks in southampton next week, I think that theres some room for a few more leftwing citreon 2cv drivers to go and do some good in the world, long live communism!
Im bowing out, goodnight gentlemen 🙂
So please deepriver - where are the 5 million jobs you claim are awaiting folk to get them off benefits?
What is the point of our occupation of Afghanistan?
Now I belive that the Rainbow Warrior docks in southampton next week, I think that theres some room for a few more leftwing citreon 2cv drivers to go and do some good in the world, long live communism!
I call Troll.
No-one can possibly be this daft. Surely? 😯
Entertaining though. 😀
Still waters run deep 😯
20% of Britain is still owned by the aristocracy and people are more worried about benefit fraud. :-/
believe that everyone makes their own choices and luck
you should read the parable of the sower and no I am not a christian either.
]the non christian moral being the children who fall on the stony ground may struggle a bit more than those who fall on fertile soil like say Cameron or the royals. See also the lack of social mobility and the fact the world is not a meritocracy to demonstrate that whilst some people can rise above the shit they find themselve born into statistically it is quite unlikely They are no more all lazy than the sons and daughters of the rich and privledged are all talented see Prince Edward for example.The story is simple. A farmer sows seed in a field:· Some seed falls on the paths, and the birds quickly eat it.
· Some seed falls where there are rocks, and not much soil. Plants grow quickly, but soon the sun dries them. There is not enough soil, and the plants die.
· Some seed begins to grow in a place where there are too many weeds. The weeds stop the growth of the plants, and the plants die.
· But other seed falls on good ground. So, the plants grow well. The farmer has a harvest from these plants.
still waters run deep Chapeau to you
Elfinsafety - An encore just for you 🙂
Not a troll,
I usually cant be bothered to get involved in some of the entertaining debates that happen on here. For me its a light hearted way to get some good cycling info/gen/advice etc....
But Im in one of those moods today! Pleased to entertain you.
edukator two wrongs dont make a right given the choice would i target tax avoidance or benefit fraud it would be the former. That doe snot mean i should find the later acceptable becaus ether eare other injustices in the world
TandemJeremy - Member
No one is less well off working than on benefits. Its a myth.
retro83 - Member
Anything to back that up? PolicyExchange seem to think it is rather real.POSTED 1 HOUR AGO #
TandemJeremy - Member
policy exchange - right wing loonies.
It's really ****ing irritating the way you keep posting things like this.
You make some bold statement with no facts to back it up at all, then when somebody posts figures which dispute your assertion, instead of posting some alternatives which support your point or finding fault with the process by which they were obtained you just brush them off as 'right wing loonies' with no further evidence of that, nor retracting your earlier claim.
Infuriating.
I do wonder sometimes when people like deep_river and others BNP/right wing sorts have ever actually seen people in this country in real poverty
I saw it all around me as a kid but never actually realised just how bad it was until later when I looked back.
There's real need out there, and - TBH - I couldn't give 2 figs if a few get away with milking the system when the alternative is to make claiming so difficult and onerous that those that really need it will suffer.
Infuriating.
But correct, apparently:
Policy Exchange
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Policy Exchange
Formation 2002
Type Think Tank
Location London, UK
Website policyexchange.org.uk
Policy Exchange is a British conservative think tank based in London. The Daily Telegraph has described it as "the largest, but also the most influential think tank on the right".[1] The New Statesman named it as David Cameron's "favourite think tank",[2] a view shared by the Political Editor of the Evening Standard Joe Murphy, who referred to it as "the intellectual boot camp of the Tory modernisers’".[3]
They are a bunch of right-wingers, that bit is 100% true. Loonies? Possibly.
Now I believe that the Rainbow Warrior docks in Southampton next week, I think that there's some room for a few more leftwing Citreon 2cv drivers to go and do some good in the world, long live communism!
😯 I know everyone has the right to a proper education, obviously no-one can control what you do with it, but to openly abuse it is quite disgraceful and an insult to the educators. I also corrected the quote for you. 😉
Come on Elf read the blurb on the report......
Policy Exchange is an independent think tank whose mission is to develop and promote new policy ideas which will foster a free society
😉
TWO-UNDRED!
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I've worked hard for that one, and it's my right to claim it...
...hooorah !
to be fair, i don't see much difference between deep_river shouting
leftwing Citreon 2cv drivers
and tandemjeremy shouting
right wing loonies
both are just lazy shortcuts to a point of view that they can't actually substantiate.
I think TJ has far better chance of doing so than Deep River though, wouldn't you say?
I do wonder sometimes when people like deep_river and others BNP/right wing sorts have ever actually seen people in this country in real poverty
BNP voters are all ex-Labour types from inner city northern towns aren't they? Upset that all them foreign types are getting all the best hand outs instead of them. I'd imagine they know crappy areas intimately.
That's a Godwin fail.
That's a Godwin fail
No it's not. Read the rules on Godwin you Nazi.
I think TJ has far better chance of doing so than Deep River though, wouldn't you say?
i think that deep_river has the same chance of proving that the people he's arguing with on here drive Citreons as tandemjeremy has of provng that authors of a right wing think tank website have mental health issues.
two cheeks of the same arse.
Ooh, someone's bin called a Nazi! Excellent!! 😀
(Gets comfy chair, choc-chip cookies and cold beer...)
Fair point actually Trailmonkey.
loons may not have been used as a medical defintion [iirc mental health professional rarely label anyone a loon these days] . I suspect it was used in the more informal and widely recognised form of stupid or foolish
they may have been lazy caricatures but I think TJ could defend what he has said on here easier than deep river.
I better qualify the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law ]Nazi[/url] comment then 🙂
The 2CV drivers I know are the bourgeoise wife of a doctor, an entrepreneur and an ex-fighter pilot.
😆No it's not. Read the rules on Godwin you Nazi.
Are they all tree-hugging commies?
The bourgeoise lives in possibly the last house in the quarter with single glazing, the entrepreneur drives the 1000+km to Germany for business rather than take the train (but not in the deudeuche) and the fighter pilot may well have downed a few commies in his time but is very discrete obout the missions he carried out.
BNP voters are all ex-Labour types from inner city northern towns aren't they?
Dunno really, can't say I've ever seen any figures
It'd be some step from being a leftie to go that far right
Mind you, the Tories used to employ Edgar Griffin [Nick's dad] as a campaign aide at the same time as he was manning the BNP election hotline
Maybe he was secret Labour voter as well as a BNP/Tory?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hundreds-of-conservatives-are-in-the-bnp-667032.html
So probbly not then? 😐
I ate a commie once.. very gristly
IDunno really, can't say I've ever seen any figures
It'd be some step from being a leftie to go that far right
You're kidding? Right? 😯
I live in as right wing an area as possible in the rather lovely cotswolds. The BNP does not exist.
Pick any crappy northern town or deprived london area and you'll find Labour and the BNP.
The BNP recruit from Labour.
I am not sure that the BNP are a right wing party, I haven't really heard any of their policies (do they actually have any?) other than racism.
Racist policies seem to be held more by parties that hold right wing economic policies, probably because they need scapegoats to blame for failure and Johnny foreigner (or supposed benefit cheats) are easier targets than the rich and powerful.
The bNP recruit from socially deprived areas, they recruit people who feel failed by the current politics, and give them easy if incorrect answers.
pps. The nazis were a socialist party.
No they weren't. Just called themselves 'National Socialists', but actual Socialism is opposed to any exclusion along racial grounds.
Stalin was a Nazi 😀
I am not sure that the BNP are a right wing party, I haven't really heard any of their policies (do they actually have any?) other than racism.
The [url= http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/uk2010.php ]Political Compass[/url] puts them to the left of Labour.
My son is genuinely disabled and walks with a frame and it riles me when we need a disabled parking space but only to find all are taken up by either fake blue badge holders or Merc drivers who believe they can park anywhere. I would grass him up without hesitation and feel proud that I'm helping the genuine people who need help. Even though my son needs 24 hour care I have never missed a days work in all my working life (I'm 43). Just do it and think of my poor son! The people who say no are the people who know somebody or who are milking the system dry.
Armo
