Typical middle class twaddle.
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Is it? Explain why please...
Shop em in, bloody scroungers!
If they are gen and have nothing to hide then there wont be a problem!
It's just not in my moral compass to look at someone's TV and feel upset that they have more than I do..
Dont really disagree but I can understand why people who work hard for low wages begrude it.
FWIW I have a friend who claims sick for her hand [ she could work though it may limit her choices but she is lazy] and last year she took herself and her 4 kids to Bali for her brothers wedding then showed me the pics of them all jet skiing. I wont ever be able to afford to do that with my kids on my wage. Is it fair ? Should I care? Dont know really but I can see why some folk will be annoyed by this.
Do you not realise what this makes you sound like?
someone who lives in a house and can see out the windows?
Too many middle class righteous liberal bleeding hearts.
actually.. I agree with this.. why should the unemployable have a tv to watch or shoes..?
they certainly don't need a console.. not when their dad's got no way of earning a wage..
they can stay out of our schools if they're not paying too.. and out of our hospitals..
why should they have hot water..? in fact.. if they can't work.. why should we give them food!!?
put 'em on the streets the lazy bastards
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you've got to draw the line somewhere..
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If you dont contribute anything to society through sheer laziness then you shoud'nt get anything back from society!
These people claiming benefits becuase they cant be arsed to work, should be made to do voluntary work, untill they get a job, and if they wont take a job, then they should be given a big fat nothing. Probably best to put them in a big hole and fill it!
give over you heartless muppett. Unless you have failed to notice there are not enough jobs to go round in this utopia we live in.
If they all did voluntary work you would have a lot more unemployed and it would cost more money to get them to do this and i cant see a tax hike being popular. As for the hole I think you should take the opportunity to climb back in yours.
Heartless and ill concieved idiotic nonesense I hope you were trolling.
where do you live? practically every supermarket and Macdonalds in the country is recruiting staff? If I lost my job, then I would have to do that and I would do that if need be!
There are plenty of jobs around! Maybe not perfect jobs, but there are jobs!
Plus we are not talking about professionals here, we are talking lazy scumbags, whose children goto school with no dinner money because poor hard up mummy and daddy have pissed it all away! waiting to take up a job as a lawyer with all the quals they worked so hard at school to get!
I have no wish to engage with you, your view is contemptabile and you appear to be lacking in some basic attributes of humanity such as compassion and understanding. I pity you and your Daily Mail world view.
Some of you lot must walk round with blinkers on, or always see the good in people!
I work in Toxteth and the level of unemployable people not "unemployed" is quite worrying. Its nothing to do with a real lack jobs its being 4th generation unemployable so they do what they can.
& that's milk the system for as much as they can, see if you can guess where the highest amount of Motability cars come from in the UK?
..ooops!
some of them are hard working citizens who work their arse off for minimum wages getting less than their non working neighbours and only being able to afford a smaller tv. It is not hard to work out why they are cross.
No one is less well off working than on benefits. Its a myth.
See if you can guess where the highest amount of Motability cars come from
Saarlouis in Germany.
The DLA is the least defrauded benefit in the UK.
When I was down on my luck I spent my money on paying the bills and feeding the 3 kids I didnt have money for ps3 or flat screen tv so why should they have at my expense?
Why do you think that someone who is unable to work due to a disability is "unlucky" and should be forced to live in poverty ?
I can't think of one single reason why someone who is unable to work due to a disability, should enjoy a lower than average standard of living.
Maybe you think that their disability is God's punishment to them for their past wickedness ? 💡
Why do you think that someone who is unable to work due to a disability as "unlucky" and should be forced to live in poverty?
They shouldn't and that's why the DLA is not means tested. It acknowledges that being disabled results in a number of additional costs in personal care and mobility and helps the individual with these, regardless of the individual's assets or working status. I believe David Cameron claimed DLA for his late son.
I earn my iving working in some of the poorest areas in the country, many if not all the homes i work in are claiming / living off benifits very few have anyone in the house working.
i live in a privilidged area everyone male in the street in work most women of working age in work.
some things stand out
guess where the larger tellies are?
guess which homes have the lawns un mown?
guess which homes have the most foriegn holidays?
guess where I see the most black range rover sports?
guess where the kids hang round the strreet corners?
guess whose kids are in for 8pm?
guess who has the least break ins?
guess whose at work today?
guess whose not got holiday homes in wales/ lake district?
is it only depression, alcoholism and drug addiction that set these two groups apart ( being the major reasons for sickness benifits) or is something else the real difference between the two groups?
dob em in.. easy to say .. but harder to do.. have you actually done it..
what happens is you get a nice man visits the claimant by appointment and asks is it true puts the evidence before them. claimant says no.. end of.
I know I knew the person I dobbed in but he didnt know it was me what done it.
He is ill but worked 4 - 5 days a week and claimed etc etc now he just claims and hopefully he'll live a little longer but have a little less cash in his pocket to spend on booze and fags.
He is ill but worked 4 - 5 days a week and claimed etc etc now he just claims and hopefully he'll live a little longer but have a little less cash in his pocket to spend on booze and fags.
So he'll live longer and claim even more handouts than if he'd been working on the side?
I earn my iving working in some of the poorest areas in the country, many if not all the homes i work in are claiming / living off benifits
So it's bollox all these claims that people living on benefit have loads of money then ?.........they are amongst the poorest people in the country ?
Well there's an eye opener. I've a good mind to walk down to my newsagents' and cancel my Mail Daily with immediate effect......lying ****ers.
I wouldn't report some-one. I can understand the feeling about taxes and wot not, but in the end you'll just wind yourself up about it, and unless it effects you directly where's the sense in that?
It's a nice day, go to the park, sunbathe, have an ice cream. **** him.
yes of course, they're stealing (if genuine!) off those pay tax and contribute!
j_me - Member"See if you can guess where the highest amount of Motability cars come from"
Saarlouis in Germany.
The DLA is the least defrauded benefit in the UK.
OK badly worded & my data was from 2004 (I should have said what dealership) Is that DLA including the higher rate mobility component?
What is the most defrauded benefit?
Carer's Allowance followed by Income Support & Job Seekers Allowance.
[url= http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd2/fem/fem_apr08_mar09.pdf ]See Page 8[/url]
Edit : depends how you cut the data I guess. By net amount rather than a percentage it would be Housing Benefit and Income Support.
I have no wish to engage with you, your view is contemptabile and you appear to be lacking in some basic attributes of humanity such as compassion and understanding. I pity you and your Daily Mail world view
I am full of compassion and understanding for/of people who are genuinely on benefits because they cannot work due to an illness etc, my dad was in that position.
I am not full of compassion for the tossers that cannot be arsed to work, yet think they have a right to everything a hardworking person has!
If you cannot see that there are people out there like this, then you are walking around with blinkers on!
My wife is a teacher in a v rough part of the west midlands, and believe me, there are some proper lazy lazy scumbags out there abusing the system! half of the kids in my wifes class are from these families! None of them work, yet they own brand new cars, all have sat TV and Iphones!!!! are all these 25 year olds with 6 kids unable to work ????
I dont think so.
TandemJeremy - Member
No one is less well off working than on benefits. Its a myth.
Anything to back that up? [url= http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/pdfs/Poverty_Trap_-_Mar_10_WEB.pdf ]PolicyExchange seem to think it is rather real[/url].
policy exchange - right wing loonies.
A poverty trap can be created but a long taper on in work benefits such as family tax credit prevents it.
TJ they do a calcualtion for your [better off calculation] and it is not always a positive result. Often they will top it up for a period to ensure you are but not in the long run - you amy be net better off but if you factor in travel expenses etc you can be worse off in terms of disposable income. I am not guessing at this I know this to be the case as I work in a job centre [ though not for them] a couple of days per week. You are usually better off in work but it is not guaranteed even with working tax credit. It may be rare but it is not correct to say it never occurs. [
Where exactly is this mythical school where the 25 year old lazy lazy scumbags have 6 kids, drive a new car and an iphone as i smell more hysterical Daily Mail BS from you They are not immigarnts or assylum seekers are they ?
I am glad you are compassionate towards your Dad perhaps you could generalise beyond kinship?
Ok - very rare then. Its certainly a myth about having second homes and range rovers and so on on benefits
Its not common and most - 99% +- will be beetter off in work
I was comparing someone to their neighbour anyway.
Yes the new car and all that stuff is nonesense.
some of them are hard working citizens who work their arse off for minimum wages getting less than their non working neighbours and only being able to afford a smaller tv. It is not hard to work out why they are cross.
Perhaps they should buy their TVs from the same places as the non working neighbours and take advantage of the generous discounts on offer. It didn't take long to work out where all the kids from the Queen's Park estate Wrecsam were getting their top end gear from. The non working neighbour will be able to make 500quid buy significantly more than the arseless worker.
Where exactly is this mythical school where the 25 year old lazy lazy scumbags have 6 kids, drive a new car and an iphone as i smell more hysterical Daily Mail BS from you They are not immigarnts or assylum seekers are they ?
This mythical school is in Kidderminster. Are you one of these people who think that every single unemployed person is out of work because there are not enough jobs? You are obviously unwilling to accept the fact that there are people out there who would rather claim benefits than work, even when the opportunity to work is offered?
Why are there so many normal fit young people people in my small town (Ludlow before you ask) unemployed, when there are jobs advetised in Tescos, and other various unskilled type work being advertised that any of these people could do?
Oh now let me think, is it because they would lose out on benefits, and have to work hard to get what they currently get from the tax payer! Yeah I think its that!
The fact that you keep refering to me as some newspaper reader means you are obvioulsy interested in politics, and this by default means you are probably corrupt! So your opinion is probably also screwed by some political opinion. I have no political opinion and just speak the truth of what I see on the street, and from my experiences, which are not mythical!!!!! you OTT lefty! why dont you go back to your Tony Benn shrine for somemore communist preaching!
Get Real!
I suppose your other unreal views are
1) Any one who is a member of a terrorist organisation that has attacked our country, has a right to come here and live ON BENEFITS.
2)People who protest in a violent and destructive manner have a right to do so, and it against there human rights to stop them using force!
I am full of compassion and understanding for/of people who are genuinely on benefits because they cannot work due to an illness etc, my dad was in that position.
I am not full of compassion for the tossers that cannot be arsed to work, yet think they have a right to everything a hardworking person has!
In every sphere of human activity there will always be a certain amount of individuals who take the piss.
Abuse is not restricted to those who are claiming to be disabled when in fact they are not, abuse exists in the NHS, in work related expenses, the PDSA, VAT, whatever, you name it - someone will have found a way of claiming something or a service for which they are not entitled.
Try to keep things in some sort of perspective however, and not dwell on the "shocking stories" which you hear about.
[u]Total[/u] benefit fraud, not just fraud related to disability claims, is estimated by the National Fraud Authority to be just over £1 billion. That is a drop in the ocean when compared to a total government spending bill of three-quarters of £trillion - it's less than Britain spends every year killing people in Afghanistan.
And it is considerably less than the £10 billion in benefits which go unclaimed every year.
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8118478.stm ]Billions in benefits go unclaimed[/url]
Furthermore, it pales into insignificance when compared to Britain's £15 billion per year tax fraud. Yes that's right, tax evasion is FIFTEEN TIMES more serious than [u]total[/u] benefit fraud. And that's not even tax 'avoidance' ....... it's just straight forward tax fraud.
[url= http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274 ]Tax evasion costs Treasury 15 times more than benefit fraud[/url]
If you really need to get up on your soapbox and start ranting and frothing at the mouth, then I suggest you get your priorities right and place at the top of your list stuff like pointless wars, dodgy tax dodgers, etc. Unless of course it's not the costs involved which really bothers you after all.
Afghanistan is not a pointless war!
Wether you agree with it or not is a different matter altogether for a different thread.
Deepriver - can you tell me where the 5 million jobs are then to get everyone off benefits?
And yes - your rantings are clearly a load of rubbish to anyone who has any understanding of the real situation. Yes there is some benefit fraud and a few folk who work the system. However it remains a pitiful amount of money to live on and certainly no lifestyle of luxury
Afghainstan is not pointless? Really? We have killed many people without acheiving anything except alienating an entire nation.
Please tell me what the point is?
Top stuff ernie. 😀
Oh now let me think, is it because they would lose out on benefits, and have to work hard to get what they currently get from the tax payer! Yeah I think its that!
I have no political opinion and just speak the truth of what I see on the street, and from my experiences, which are not mythical!!!!!
Even if what you speak is what you see but you clearly don't know how it got there. You have naturally assumed that the State has given them 1.500 quid to buy a new TV rather than the purchaser only paying 200 quid for the knock off TV? From your experience, which is it?
Have you been to Afghanistan? No didnt think so! yet your opinion is more valid than mine, when I have seen the the effects first hand!
You have naturally assumed that the State has given them 1.500 quid to buy a new TV rather than the purchaser only paying 200 quid for the knock off TV? From your experience, which is it?
Nitpicking now
what are the effects of benefit fraud in Afghanistan..?
Yes - in 1966.
So then - tell us what the point is cos few folk can see one.
and where the 5 million jobs are to get everyone off benefits.
Afghanistan is not a pointless war!
Ah I see..........money well spent eh ?
Right, I can see that your priorities, and my priorities, don't actually bear any resemblance to each other. I think I'll probably just leave it at that.
Aye - on the telly point you can buy a big telly on the never never for a few quid a week - outrageous interest rates and takes forever to pay for it.
Oh Ernie why did you have to go and spoil it all with some cold hard facts? Kind of puts an end to an fiurther vitriolic blinkered onionated nonsense like we've seen on here so far...
guess where the larger tellies are?
guess which homes have the lawns un mown?
guess which homes have the most foriegn holidays?
guess where I see the most black range rover sports?
guess where the kids hang round the strreet corners?
guess whose kids are in for 8pm?
guess who has the least break ins?
guess whose at work today?
guess whose not got holiday homes in wales/ lake district?
WTF does this even mean? 'Guess which homes have the lawns unmown'??? 😕
Truth is it's a very small minority of all those claiming benefits, whose claims are fraudulent. The myth of the 'hordes of benefit scroungers' is little more than right-wing propaganda, part of the subtle attempts to engender fear, resentment and hate within society. Divide and Rule.
I live in Tower Hamlets, one of the most 'socially deprived' parts of the UK. Whilst I know that benefit fraud does happen, the Truth that I see is that many people struggle to get by on benefits, and certainly don't enjoy the kind of lavish lifestyles some on here seem to believe all benefit claimants enjoy. Come down, and I'll show you, if you like. I've offered to do this several times on this forum, when confronted with ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Surprisingly, none of those venting their self-righteous spleens have taken me up on this offer. funny that. Maybe they'd rather have something to moan about than actually see the reality for themselves.
As you were.
Can we do immigrants soon? Can we? Pleeeaaasee????
Certainly elf. We don't like people of your hue around here. Back to where you came from please.
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Ruddy smurfs - coming over here stealing our women and undercutting us in the labour market.
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RACIST!
Ah, I feel better now....
Nitpicking now
Not at all. There is a difference which you don't appear to be aware of yet you feel that your knowledge of the real world has some value.
Yes I would report them if there was strong evidence pointing to the fact that they're being fraudulent, why not? It's still theft at the end of the day.
