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can be either for me.

diet and cardio

diet has proven to be the way for me.

weight loss is about net calories so diet is primary, exercise accelerates the process but is secondary.

Whilst cardio is always there in the background, diet + resistance training works best for me. I guess we're all different though...

It's about a deficit. Doesn't matter how you do it. However, fewer calories and then exercise to stave off the hunger pangs works well when I make the effort.

It used to be something to do with the i-something diet but that particular fad seems to have gone the way of some folks money

what they said you need an imbalance and this is best achieved by eating too little calories.
Exercise may speed up the use of calories but you still need to eat less than you use.

Diet definitely. Through training, we did untold amounts of exercise but due to the calorie intake, I put on 25kg. That being said, it was predominantly muscle.

[quote=Junkyard ]what they said you need an imbalance and this is best achieved by eating too little calories.
Exercise may speed up the use of calories but you still need to eat less than you use.
+1

Of course you can affect it by "type of exercise" and "type of food", but it's not rocket science.

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Both. Fat metabolism is controlled by a load of hormones which affect and are affected by all sorts of things including the exercise you do and who you are.

Diet then exercise. And by exercise, not cardio.

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I've lst fifteen pounds in a month by using my fitness pal. I've been jogging three times a week for the past two weeks and feel loads better.

I do quite a bit of exercise, but eat quite badly. As a result I gain/don't lose weight. So yeah, it's 99% diet.

4 hour body by tim ferris.

The guy is odd. But it bloody works.

Eat unprocessed food; do stuff.

Calories in > calories used = fat

calories in < calories used = thin

Eat less, use more energy.

A leg weighs about 15kg.
An axe is about a tenner.
Think about it........

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Calories in > calories used = fat

calories in < calories used = thin

Wrong, but all the regulars know that already 🙂

Wrong, but all the regulars know that already

You sure about that? Maybe start a thread?

I've drastically changed my food intake recently and while it had a impact on weight loss, it levelled out after while. frustrating as I was eating well and bloody starving (but then I always am). Adapted to the new diet a bit more now, and still loosing weigh very slowly with it. But an intensive ride can drop me a kilo in one day, even if I'm eating more to fuel it. So for me a mix has the best effect. But for now there's none of my usual "i've been on a ride so I can eat infinite curry and quaff gallons of ale" which is a shame cos I really liked doing that. 🙁

iDave for me - down from 19st to 14st 6lbs and still dropping at a steady pace (target weight is around 12st 6lbs)

It's unfortunate that iDave managed to create a bit of a mess for himself in terms of his reputation with folks paying for additional advice, because the basic iDave diet sheet has been a brilliant help to me. It's also made me think a lot more about the type of food I eat, and the quality, both of which have helped with the discipline of changing my dietary habits.

I now work off the underlying mantra [i]"eat to lose weight, excercise to get fit"[/i] although I don't doubt there's a connection between me getting fitter and stronger, and my continued weight loss.

[i]Wrong, but all the regulars know that already [/i]

Handy excuse if you can't keep off the muffins though, lost any weight recently sweety? (joke) 😆

Weight loss for me works with
Exercise......high intensity (tabatta /intervals/ sprint training)
Weights
Endurance......long and slow

Keep mixing it up

Diet.......cut back and look at nutrition. You cannot train and eat poorly.

I would say one style does not fit all.
But what are the goals.....If you weight train you will put on muscle so factor that in

But for now there's none of my usual "i've been on a ride so I can eat infinite curry and quaff gallons of ale" which is a shame cos I really liked doing that.

Most important for me was being aware of how bad a lot of the 'little' things were, e.g. the toast the kids hadn't eaten.

Best rule: don't hoover

Booze.

No matter what I do I float at close to 13 and a half stone, at 5'11" and riding 5 or 6 hours a week. I'd consider myself reasonably fit.

I dropped drinking a couple of glasses of wine every night this month (which is probably too much, and never giving myself a break) and dropped half a stone in 2 weeks with no other changes in diet or exercise.

I'm on holiday in the lakes this week and have been for a few walks (carrying the little fella in a MacPac) and a couple of biggish rides: probably 18 hours of exercise so far. I've ate the usual but had one or two bottles of beer a night and I look like I've put half a stone back on.

As difficult as it is to believe, for me booze just seems to make a huge difference.

apparently its 80% diet and 20% exercise for long-term success, but I seem to do fine in riding much more and eating what I fancy. But, even I know what I'm doing is not strictly sustainable 🙂

Calories in > calories used = fat

calories in < calories used = thin

Eat less, use more energy.

This. You don't need a fad diet to lose weight. Just be sensible with eating "normal" stuff.

Both - but with a careful eye on the diet as the first priority...

I tried to do it through the "exercise more" approach for years. Weight steadily climbed from circa 14-14.5 st, up to 15.75 st.

The more I rode, the more I put on weight - a combination of bigger appetite to sustain exercise and bigger frame from combination of calorie intake and increased exrercise.

Taken a markedly different approach this year. Have combined cycling (actually less, but better targeted - mtb and some road) with gym (cardio and strength).

BUT crucially, have also taken a detailed look at my diet. I don't feel that I have been "on a diet" - just cut back on some of the crap, and tried to getter a better balance between sugar / complex carbs, protein and fat. I try to maintain fat to about 25-30% (although some weeks it is higher...) 50-60% carb and 15-20% protein.

Has worked a treat. Turn of the year I was at 15st 8lbs. By Mountain Mayhem I was 14st 4lbs, and now down the 13st 4lbs.

That's probably the lightest I have been since I was about 19-20 (and at 45 that feels cheekily good 😛 ). Much fitter on the climbs now, but not sure there's room for much more weight loss.

Wrong, but all the regulars know that already

how is that wrong?

yes people are different, yes the nutritional composition of exactly how those total calories are consumed will influence how the individual metabolises them...

but thread after thread after thread on this still ends up with the conclusion that there needs to be a calorie deficit compared to the individuals basal metabolic rate.

its just eating certain foods with low calories mean the [b]volume[/b] of food can be massive and still result in a net loss of calories... and certain types of food will illicit different physical and hormonal responses within the individuals body promoting, fat storage or not, an increase in BMR or not.

either way you can live entirely on sugar and if your burning more than you're eating you will lose weight... equally you can eat 3000kcals of veg and beans and if you're only using 600 of them kcals a day, you'll put on weight.

Diet is the easiest as once you mentally accept you need to watch what you eat the hardest part is done.

When I ride at a very high pace for 2 hrs or so I consume about 1200 kcal
A shorter ride often shows 6-700 kcal

A pint of Stella contains 45 kcal per 100ml so 250 per pint so a short/low intensity ride followed by 2 pints and a bag of crisps at 200kcal means you put on weight.

You can argue the exact numbers but a lot of people 'go to the gym', pootle about for a bit at low intensity and then consume more kcals than they burned off because they think they've earned them.

either way you can live entirely on sugar and if your burning more than you're eating you will lose weight...

Have you tried this then - how's the diabetes going? 😆

i know people who have, the benefit of having worked with quite a few eating disorder clients over the past 10 years is i've seen and closely monitored lots of peoples weights whilst knowing pretty much exactly what they've eaten and their exercise level!

[i]you can live entirely on sugar[/i]

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[i]you dont need to prove it, or argue it, you dont need to be informed, or experienced, just interested in your gut feeling (geddit) [/i]

I've gone from 139kg to 87kg in the last 20 months. For me exercise has been the most important. When I was exercising well I ate less calories as a result of not wanting to undo the good work. When I wasn't exercising I found it very difficult to lose weight by diet alone even if I was having less calories than I should have been to lose weight.

when i say entirely on sugar, there will of course be other physical effects of such a limited diet, but that's not what the threads about. it's not an online version of that bit in 'supersize vs superskinny' where doctor bodyimage and hair issues shows the skinny person photos of illness' in a darkened room to scare them 😆

but it would probably help clarify, for those looking for the smallest section of what i wrote to argue with... when i said 'entirely on sugar' i'm not talking about spoonfuls of cane sugar, i'm talking about choccy bars and sugary drinks. something i've seen people survive on for a long time!

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