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Still waiting for AndyP to explain what makes cycling a sport and motorsport not a sport.

Lord Greenville - Member
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Who gets my vote................Giggsy! One of very few modern footballers with an ounce of dignity. *Please note that this is from a Leeds fan* Well done, Ryan.

Do people seem to forget that he used to beat up his girlfriends? (Davinia Taylor as I recall)

Are you putting domestic violence forward as a sport?

[i]Still waiting for AndyP to explain what makes cycling a sport and motorsport not a sport. [/i]

Why are you waiting? In your mind you've already dissmissed any reasoning that he would put forward.

F1 requires high fitness levels but also exceptional hand eye co-ordination, reaction times and mental skills. important elements in all 'proper' sports

In fairness, it strikes me that it is AndyP who has the dismissive attitude. I'd like to hear the reasoning, if there is any.

Are you putting domestic violence forward as a sport?

I think he may be referring the personality bit and role model credentials, if Giggs adoring fans new of his wife beating history would they still vote for him, mind you judging on the mentality of a lot of footballers and there fans then yes they would.

flippinheckler - Member

If Sky were doing the Sports personality of the year then a few more cyclists would make the shortlist.

Sky? Wait a minute, don't they sponsor British Cycling?

UNFAIR BIASED!!!

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ok fair do's i take my point back motorsport should be in then.
i know full well that no average jo should even think about going near those cars so go on then i'll go with yer.

Sky..cycling...cycling forum...me biased...the very thought! 😆

I think it's diabolical that Wiggins isn't there. Everyone is aware of the tour, it's almost certainly the hardest athletic endeavour known to man and he placed the (equal) highest place that any British rider has *ever* done in it overall. Brits win driving competitions all the time but Wiggins has stood out massively.

And he lives in Chorley.

its a hard sell to those that dont know though.but he came fourth for god's sake.just wont get it will they?

A lot of people think he was the first [i]clean[/i] rider…

[b][i]Voted for by the public live during the TV show, this prestigious award will be given to the sportsman or woman whose actions have most captured the public's imagination in 2009[/i][/b]

I'm not sure that Wiggins would fit that criteria

[i]Still waiting for AndyP to explain what makes cycling a sport and motorsport not a sport. [/i]

sorry, been working.

IMO: cycling performance based mostly on the athlete. F1 based mostly on the technology. Yes, you need someone highly skilled to use the technology. But you put the world's best driver in, say, a Ford Ka, and they'd not do so well as a not-quite-so-good driver in a F1 car.
It's a test of technology, R&D and a profile-raiser for manufacturers, not a sport IMO.

Still waiting for glenp to show me where I specified there was no physical dimension...

'But you put the world's best rider on, say, a Universal full-suss MTB, and they'd not do so well as a not-quite-so-good rider on a carbon Trek road bike'.........

[i]'But you put the world's best rider on, say, a Universal full-suss MTB, and they'd not do so well as a not-quite-so-good rider on a carbon Trek road bike'.........[/i]
unfair comparison....OK, so put the world's best driver in, say, a pile of rust with no engine, steering wheel or other major components.. 😉

IMO: cycling performance based mostly on the athlete

So if you take road racing: the fittest rider on the day will usually win? or will it be the one who the team wants to win?

Not sure why I need to go back and find out where you said it - anyway, here it is:

[i]no physical effort or fitness required then?[/i]

you're right, that should be the only criteria.

Is cavendish or wiggins a world champion?
honest question.
Funny that Button never did well until he got a decent car, but I really don't care as long as Alonso doesn't win.

Neither Cav nor Wiggins are world champs, but Cav is acknowledged by all as the fastest sprinter.

No F1 driver can win without the car as well.

Bad luck - Alonso will win next year. Best driver without question, now in dream team.

Not a world champ? fastest sprinter or not, he doesn't deserve it.
It cannot be claimed that DH is too marginal and roadying isn't (in the UK at least).

Bad luck - Alonso will win next year. Best driver without question, now in dream team.

I can't say any more than has been said after AndyPs last post.

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I wonder if good old 'Peaty' would have won the Worlds if he was riding on a Raleigh Shopper?

My vote goes to Chrissie Wellington, [b]three times world[/b] Ironman champ.....

My vote goes to Chrissie Wellington

good luck with trying to cast that vote then

Leaving aside the daftness of "it's got a lot of technology ergo it's not a sport", at least F1 is [i]sometimes[/i] entertaining to watch, whereas any cycling apart from BMX or trials is about as entertaining as watching a plate of mashed potato going cold.

I think DH biking could make good TV if the same budget and production as say DH skiing was applied; however it's not, so it's shit. Ho hum.

Bez, tell me where I can see a video of an exciting F1 race, oops, I'll have to dig out my betamax... F1 hasn't been exiting since Tyrell removed there extra two wheels!!

I love peaty as well but sadly no one, well not many, outside the sport knows him.

Personality AND achievement??? Surely Haye? Did you see the size of that Monster he fought????? close thing though actually with Button as he is a top fella (met him a couple years back) and kept his nerve to win the world title against better drivers in cars as good as his!

Still wont vote or watch it mind.... There is Night Riding to be done!

Downhilling on tv is a niche slot on eurosports along with bmx, it would never become popular as skiing because there are more than enough sloanes and well healed middle class executive family types who go skiing and lap up the atmosphere on tv whilst they dream of their winter week in Tignes or Gstaad.

Bez is quite right about being poor tv coverage. The freecaster coverage was good if you knew what was going on because Warner was not going to tell you and the few cameras on the hill, the gaps between cameras meant anything could and did happen making the next time you saw the rider rather irrelevant as he could have lost 30 or more places whilst out of sight.

Still wrong though the the Yorkshire Post did not put him forward especially as he stuffed the rest of yorkshire's greatest at their own local gong show, He clearly means something substantial to a lot more people than downhillers east of the Pennines.

problem with f1 car racing being a sport is that a poor kid can nick a bike or pair of running shoes and get racing and make the way to world champion if they have the desire, drive and ability and are not caught by the police. Yer average kid who steals a fiesta will never probably even get into Silverstone without ram raiding the fence. Motorsport is as much reliant on privilege through access to money as it is to a skill ability to roll a steering wheel one way or the other whilst knowing which foot to press down hard on.

I am sure Button's a fine chap but I know from Moto x and trials these days the next generation of world great riders are more likely to be sons or nephews of the last generation of champions than any new blood on the block. Take young Tomes or the Lampkins as an example

Sloaner,

spot on! I was brought up on a diet of motorsport and modern F1 has killed my interest.

Nothing finer than sportscar racing but to think that F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport is sad.

It's not even competitive! Not a good spectator sport and there is too much money in it which results in drivers who have no personality let alone the sports personality of the year!!

if the same budget and production as say DH skiing was applied

I was also thinking overnight - I wonder just what good old 'Peaty''s fitness levels are like compared to an F1 driver.

And still don't understand how sitting on a bike as gravity throws it down a hill is a sport when sitting in a car whilst an engine drives the wheels in order to push it around a track isn't a sport.

This is how they have selected the shortlist.

Special mention to the star on sunday for including that proud brit cristiano ronaldo.......

[url] http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_radio/sports_personality_of_the_year/8386785.stm [/url]

[i]Still waiting for glenp to show me where I specified there was no physical dimension... [/i]

[i] glenp - Member

Not sure why I need to go back and find out where you said it - anyway, here it is:

no physical effort or fitness required then?

you're right, that should be the only criteria. [/i]

erm...now can you point out where I specified there was no physical dimension, as per my post?
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fair comment on the Richard Hammond stuff. I have no idea how good he is at driving any car let alone a F1 car so I'll take your word for that one.

oh - and [i]Neither Cav nor Wiggins are world champs[/i]
True dat. Just ex-world champs.

This is how they have selected the shortlist.

Interesting.

So Wiggins was twelth most popular with 8 votes.

And Tom Daley and Flintoff tied in tenth. I wonder how they decided who to pick?

Special mention to the star on sunday for including that proud brit cristiano ronaldo.......

Diver of the year 😆