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The thing that annoys me, as a licence fee payer, is that these recipes that we have paid for via my licence fee (It's amazing value BTW) are being given away for free on a website that anyone, including non licence fee payers, can access.
WTF? We are paying for something that they give away anyway!
Keep them online but behind a paywall that we can pass through with a login based on our TV licence. Then they are only available to those who've paid for them. No conflict with other commercial competitors who have to fund their own recipe services with ads or subscriptions.
They've identified, recognised and are planning to close the iPlayer loophole, which boils down to the same principle - if you don't pay for the licence fee you shouldn't be able to watch TV for free on iPlayer. Same with web content. If you are not a licence fee payer you should not have access to it since it's the licence payers who have funded that content in the first place.
It's kind of like us charging subscribers to read the mag but opening up the mag archive to everyone anyway. You'd be a bit annoyed at that if you were a paying subscriber and you would quite rightly question why you are paying for something when the publisher is handing it out for free anyway.
All BBC content should be accessible by all licence payers.
Just login to their websites like we are all going to have to do with iPlayer and like we do with all the other subscriber services we pay for. We are all subscribers of BBC content as long as we pay the licence.
Mark that works until you throw Radio in the mix and it all falls apart, as that is free to anyone.
Do you generally only try new recipes for 30 days and then stop?
You can print or save them you know 😉
We are paying for something that they give away anyway!
It's called the common good etc..
What a silly decision to get rid of the BBC recipe website!
It would be better to get rid of Chris Evans than the recipe website.
At least we get the chance to try out the recipe rather than looking at Chris Evans.
@ Mark,
The BBC site outside the UK has adverts, it's still accessable. (except iplayer). All the login needs to do is turn off the ads. A bit like another site I know, I wonder if the BBC will also log you off randomly....
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It's called the common good etc..
Indeed.
Mark must have his evil, capitalist, bike magazine boss head on today 😉
Just login to their websites like we are all going to have to do with iPlayer and like we do with all the other subscriber services we pay for.
You can't go to prison for not paying your Sky subscription, though.
I'm all in favour of the BBC becoming a normal subscription service - get rid of the license fee, stop pestering people about a TV license, get rid of the ridiculous situation where owning the equipment means you have to pay for the service, etc.
If the BBC want special protected status for their funding (and I do understand the arguments in favour of the license fee) then they should also have to go above and beyond what a normal subscription service does and do something for the common good.
The trouble with locking everything the BBC produces behind paywalls is that it then fails those Public Principles that I listed earlier.
Especially when it comes to a bit of "soft diplomacy" with the BBC representing some sense of Britishness to the rest of the world.
You can print or save them you know
All 11,000? Yeah that makes sense.
then they should also have to go above and beyond what a normal subscription service does and do something for the common good.
Like provide a large library of recipes for free?
Especially when it comes to a bit of "soft diplomacy" with the BBC representing some sense of Britishness to the rest of the world.
Murdoch has probably complained to George that Sky should be the official 'soft diplomacy' partner to the Home Office...
Do you really need them for 4 years after, given you cant then see the programme that inspired them?
Given the number of repeats on the BBC, you probably can.
It's kind of like us charging subscribers to read the mag but opening up the mag archive to everyone anyway.
Well, the BBC are only opening up the recipes to everyone, not the entire output of the BBC.
Similar a paid-for-magazine opening up some of their content... like trail guides for example? 🙂
http://singletrackworld.com/trailguide/
Given that the URL's will still exist, you just won't be able to search, can some clever person catalog them now and create a new website which searches for us and links to the BBC url?
Which is exactly why;There are plenty other childrens' tv channels.
There are plenty other news channels.
There are plenty other documentary channels.
There are plenty other Saturday night talent competitions.
Only if you want hyper product placement American cartoons and have a subscription tv service.
BBC local news coverage particularly is being massively reduced.
There aren't really, and what alternatives there are largely show BBC made programmes anyway.
The Voice has moved from BBC to a commercial channel for the next series.
For once I find myself agreeing with chewkw
The thing that annoys me, as a licence fee payer, is that these recipes that we have paid for via my licence fee (It's amazing value BTW) are being given away for free on a website that anyone, including non licence fee payers, can access.
I don't pay a licence fee, and I use the recipes all the time!!! Bwahahaha!!!
deadlydarcy - Member
Just seems petty and spiteful and I can't understand the motives - unless it's a distraction from something else.
EDIT: Though I did read last night that Good Food won't be affected - well, that's because it's run as part of Beeb worldwide. I think it's even mentioned on the site that the site doesn't use license fee money
I'm quite hopeful that a bright spark in the BBC will seize the opportunity and migrate everything over to Good Food.
slowoldman - Member
For once I find myself agreeing with chewkw
I am a nice person you know... 
This is an excerpt from an email we received from James Harding (Director BBC News and Current Affairs) this morning:
We will stop doing some things where we’re duplicating our work, for example on food. (We have two food websites in the top five in the UK; we’re now going to have one. And all BBC recipes that are currently available on the BBC online will still be available.) And we’ll scale back some services, such as travel, where there are better-resourced services elsewhere in the market.
I'm sure the content will remain fully accessible, just as part of an archived site with no capacity to add new content. Mystifies me how axing a recipe uploading site, and some regional online teams can save £15m a year though.
The thing that annoys me most is the BBC's money grabbing approach to its television back catalogue which should be freely available via iplayer to anyone with a licence (as C4 does).
If I want to watch Edge of Darkness, Our Friends in the North, Day of the Triffids etc I have to pay separately for something i've already helped fund.. They never seem to repeat their best output - I can watch re-runs of Bargain Hunt or Homes under the Hammer any time I want though, so that's alright.
Given that the URL's will still exist, you just won't be able to search, can some clever person catalog them now and create a new website which searches for us and links to the BBC url?
He's ahead of you... http://www.auntiesrecipes.co.uk/
The thing that annoys me most is the BBC's money grabbing approach to its television back catalogue which should be freely available via iplayer to anyone with a licence (as C4 does).If I want to watch Edge of Darkness, Our Friends in the North, Day of the Triffids etc I have to pay separately for something i've already helped fund.. They never seem to repeat their best output - I can watch re-runs of Bargain Hunt or Homes under the Hammer any time I want though, so that's alright.
All depends who owns the actual copyright. A lot of stuff is made by a 3rd party for the BBC and they have retained some rights over it.
Google has just helped me realise that they repeated EOD on BBC4 two years ago....dammit!
It's a crying shame that they can't sort it out. Stuff of that calibre is very rarely made any more.
I was searching for a Banana & Date Malt loaf recipe (I did wonder where the results for BBC Good Food had gone) and I went to the BBC website, but imagine my horror when the list of ingredients for said recipe was:
Banana
Dates
[b]Malt Loaf[/b]
Honey.
Not a recipe.
Yours,
Discustard of Croyden.
If you want to watch old BBC repeats there is always the likes of Gold, Dave, Yesterday, Drama etc.
£15m a year saving, supposedly.
I don't see why they wouldn't be on a site with advertising, bbc site has ads when viewed from outside the UK. I'll be collecting some of my favourites although to be honest most are printed out and in a file in the kitchen anyway.
80,000 signatures already!
https://www.change.org/p/bbc-save-the-bbc-s-recipe-archive
If the petition gets serious someone will claim it's full of misogynistic abuse and take it down.
I'm going to start a petition demanding that the government don't blow up the moon.
If the petition gets serious someone will claim it's full of misogynistic abuse and take it down.
Surely it's just a typical Blairite based Anti-Semitic slur aimed at discrediting JC and nothing to do with actual recipes. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Hitler yet...
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Hitler yet...
If anyone does I feel sure it will be in a perfectly reasonable historical context.
image on first pageI'm surprised no one has mentioned Hitler yet...
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Oh sorry, thought that was the Labour Party Conference (as photographed by Jamabalalalala)
This is really about the BBC being told they are not allowed to compete with other commercial operations that are outside their core business. That is fair enough but no reason why this information cannot be provided free to another source to publish on the web. They can then have advertising to make money and to keep the resource alive.
This is nothing to do with cost saving.
As I understand it they aren't actually removing it from the web, they are just no longer linking to it from their own site so that recipes slowly fall of off the first few search pagesThat is fair enough but no reason why this information cannot be provided free to another source to publish on the web
This is really about the [s]BBC[/s] Tories being told, by Murdoch, that they [s]are not allowed to compete with other commercial operations that are outside their core business [/s] must reign the BBC in or he won't support them come the next election
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God I hate how blatant the Tory Murdoch arse kissing is.They really don't give a flying **** what we think, they just want Rupert to be happy, well I hope everyone one remembers the Tories anti BBC basis when the next election comes around.
ABC = Anyone but Cameron
Hitler would have appreciated all the veg recipes.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/17/bbc-climbdown-over-online-recipes-after-public-outcry ]Massive U-turn by Aunty[/url], owing to public demand and outcry.
Well that will upset Gideon who specifically mentioned their recipes as being an outrageous waste of public money competing with the poor little commercial players like Sky...
Anything that upsets the super-massive cock-womble Gideon is fine by me.
I'm sure he'll use the fact that it's on a commercial site of theirs to keep on track.
Massive U-turn by Aunty, owing to public demand and outcry.
Seems a good way to promote your plan all along to drum up more business.
The puppy lives!
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-bbc-has-outwitted-whittingdale-in-todays-online-recipe-souffl-a7034346.html ]Spin alive and kicking at the BBC?[/url]
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Hitler yet...
I'm sure there's a YouTube video being created at this very moment...