Arctic Monkeys are yet another example. Can't abide their more recent stuff which just sounds like some bored blokes on a tour bus between two anonymous towns.
Good shout for the latest Foals album, marvellous stuff and +1 for the consistancy of Radiohead.
It's amazing how many people claim to have never liked Oasis...
I never got Oasis. Wonderwall is a great song, but apart from that I was genuinely baffled by their success- middle of the road pub-band rock, and massive ****ts to boot.
What about Richard Thompson for consistency over 40 years?
Leonard Cohen? Some iffy patches but still producing good stuff?
Ditto Tom Waits & Nick Cave.
Manic street preachers was my first thought, generation terrorists, gold against the soul and the holy bible are all really good albums, everything after is a bit hit and miss in my opinion.
+1 Nick Cave. Maturing like a fine wine.
I never got Oasis. Wonderwall is a great song, but apart from that I was genuinely baffled by their success
Let's just say there are a lot of people who claim to never have liked them, who in 1994 were singing to Live Forever along with everyone else...
Richard Thompson... Tom Waits... Leonard Cohen... Nick Cave
All individuals, all excluded from discussion here - it's about bands and surely part of that all-falls-apart-after-a-couple-of-albums thing is the ruination of relationships that seems accompany the cocaine and limos lifestyle.
Easier to keep your game up when you don't need to worry about whether the drummer is now more into drugs than music or the bass player is shagging the keyboardist's wife etc..
EDIT: I know Nick Cave has worked with the same musicians in many cases for a lot of years, but it's still not the same, he's not dependent on them in the same way as members of proper "bands" are.
Let's just say there are a lot of people who claim to never have liked them, who in 1994 were singing to Live Forever along with everyone else...
I can sing along to a number of their singles. I still don't like them as a band and never have. Bought one album, can't listen to it in one go, although individually the songs are okay. Seen 'em live and the same thing - bored after about four songs.
In fact there are plenty of songs I can sing along to by artists that I don't like.
Shine bright like a diamond
QOTSA is a good shoutRated R and Songs for the Deaf were great albums, everything since has just been meh
Nah, Lullabies to paralise is a great album and Era vulgaris isn't too bad.
I hope Muse are still good live as i wanted to see them for years and finally got round to getting tickets for this years tour. 😕
I used to love Oasis but they really did go rapidly down hill after they released Masterplan. They should have kept all the b sides for an official album!!
Foo fighters are still doing well for me though, tamed a bit but still making good music.
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manics
Good one. We'll make one good album and quit! Fantastic live band back when Richie was in the group. Then, a mixture of bland and completely bloody awful. (Not that I've bothered listening to any of their later output.)
Smashing pumpkins: Gish and Siamese Dreams are fantastic album, Mellon Collie was shit and they've ( he's) been shit ever since
Queen!
2 of their members left but the other 2, lets call them blondey and curly, carry on flooging a dead freddie, oh er sorry I mean horse.
The Chillis
Kasabian
Kings of Leon
Muse
The trouble is ,if you are hearing them for the first time ,you may think the latest stuff is really good.
Did anyone catch the Abbey road thing on Friday night?
What was Ian Brodie trying to do with that tune ? 🙄
At least the Steriophonics made a good effort .
Muse for me, Showbiz and Origin of Symmetry are two of my favourite albums, Absolution's not bad but they gone way downhill since then (though Knights of Cydonia is a great track).
Kings of Leon, only have one good album.
Kasabian are another one, good first album, not bad second and then downhill.
Not sure I agree on QOTSA, their first three albums are three up way up in my list of favourites (richmtb missed their self titled debut), the last two, though not as good, I still like a lot.
This pretty much sums it up.richmtb - MemberBands tend to fall into two patterns - start of with an amazing debut album and then just produce gradually worse and worse output until they fade away.
Start off a bit crap and unheralded before producing a "breakthrough" album that everyone rushes out to buy - they then become crap and unheralded again when there next album is a bit rubbish.
Not sure you can really count Queen as they did about 17 good albums over twenty years (okay, 16 good albums and Hot Space, and even that had a couple of good tracks on) before they became a bad tribute act.
On the basis of formerly-successful-but-should-have-hung-it-up-when-the-main-attraction-left/died I offer you:
The Doors post LA Woman
Thin Lizzy post Phil Lynott
INXS post Hutchence
The Pogues sans Shane McGowan
honourable mention for even thinking that it could work:
The Glitter Band sans Gary
And in contrast honourable mentions for - bloody hell we've lost the main man, what do we do? I'll tell you what we'll do, we'll re-group and be even more successful than we were previously:
Pink Floyd
Fleetwood Mac
And in contrast honourable mentions for - bloody hell we've lost the main man, what do we do? I'll tell you what we'll do, we'll re-group and be even more successful than we were previously:Pink Floyd
Fleetwood Mac
More successful, yes, but the earlier stuff was far more interesting in both cases.
Edlong you can add the stones post 75 to that list as well. When they became a sort of "not the best Rolling Stones tribute band"
+1 for The Doors, I bought their 2 studio post jim albums and then sold them again the same year. Although some of the stuff on there wasn't completely horrendous.
@ ransos - I picked my words carefully for that reason! Definitely agree re. the Mac, I think Floyd is more open to debate...
Well, I liked By the Way and Californication much more than the earlier stuff, that I've heard of course.
1D - a great debut followed by selling out to fame and fortune. A real shame as they had something pretty raw about them when they started out.
Well, I liked By the Way and Californication much more than the earlier stuff, that I've heard of course.
Nothing wrong with that, if that's how you came to them. I imagine they sound different to those that were into their older albums prior.
Bit like the Black Keys - I'll concede their new album is well crafted and good, but I hate it because I mourn the passing of the "old" Black Keys of whom I was a massive fan.
I prefer Rumours/Tusk fleet wood mac to Peter green era. California/ cocaine insanity/ inter band affairs and divorce is far more interesting than PGFM which is just stodgy pub rock really
grievoustim
Well, it's all subjective, innit?
That said, you are just so, so, so wrong.....
I'm more concerned about musicality than 'rawness' or 'truth' or other words that reviewers use to describe fresh young bands.
1 more vote for this Chilli's , saw them live on tour when they were pushing the'Mothers Milk' album and they were brilliant last saw them about 6 years ago and came away seriously unimpressed.
I didn't like the most recent Chilis album though, that really was boring as hell.
Arctic monkeys - I'd only go see them again if they promised to only play their first two albums.
Kaiser chiefs as well, they've gone a bit wayward!
It's tough because if bands churn out the same stuff for years they get accused of being dull. Personally I still like ''Tallica. Even Load had its moments. St Anger is the weakest of the new stuff though.
Another vote for the Chilli's from me too...I lost interest after Californication.
I'd also chuck in Korn, Deftones are getting a bit poo, Sepultura (I must be the only person who thinks Roots is a bit rubbish), Pantera lost their way, Pearl Jam have put out some right crap too but then again Ten was always going to be a tough one to follow. The Cult went off the boil too.
Always hated Oasis, but I've always listened to heavier stuff.
Biffy Clyro used to be good, with albums like blackened sky, vertigo of bliss and infinity land. I heard their latest album the other day and it was ****ing terrible pop shit.
[i]The Cult went off the boil too.[/i]
Have you heard "Cult"? Probably their best album (their 6th). Yeah they've done stuff since then, but only for sad old gits who can't move on 😉 (Blimey, they released an album [i]last year![/i])
U2 should have retired after Zooropa at the latest.
I mean, anybody that pretends to be a rockstar when they're over 40 has got to be having a laugh.
'Cool' is not an adjective becoming of any dignified soul over 30.
1 more vote for this Chilli's , saw them live on tour when they were pushing the'Mothers Milk' album and they were brilliant last saw them about 6 years ago and came away seriously unimpressed.
Sums it up for me, seen them live three times, once around Mothers Milk, once with Dave Navarro (mid '90s) and then I took the missus, who had never seen them, to their massive concert in Hyde Park a few years back (2005ish?). Sooooooooo boring! I think they only did Give It Away and Under the Bridge from pre-Californication albums. Wish we'd left after the support act (James Brown, worth the ticket price for him to be fair even though he was hardly in his prime!)
I think it's only neccessary for anyone to own only one Chilli's song.
Just as an example of what to avoid... 😈
Give It Away
See, I really don't like that song.
Not bland enough for you molgrips? 😉
Me neither, which is my point - many albums of great material pre 1998, and that was all they picked to play from it.... however, all the near-identical, quiet verse, slightly louder chorus with some "way-ohs" in ones got aired in full. They've turned into Aerosmith, that's what they've done.
EDIT: And I don't mean good, groovy heavy rock 1970s Aerosmith, no, I mean, dull, written for soundtracks, power ballad Aerosmith.
EDIT(2): Can we add Aerosmith to the list? They used to be good. A long time ago. Then they weren't.
Smashing pumpkins: Gish and Siamese Dreams are fantastic album, Mellon Collie was shit and they've ( he's) been shit ever since
Strangely, Melon Collie is in the top 100 most influential albums list. IMO would have been up with the others if it had been reduced from a double.
Not bland enough for you molgrips?
It's not musical enough!
Er, ok... not musical music. Riiiiight. 😆
Dez, I wasn't sure about the Cult, but I did like Beyond Good and Evil. They were good live when I saw them at Reading in 2001.
Aerosmith can definitely go on the list.
Stereophonics?
Aged like a pint of milk!
chilli peppers are a funny one. first album was a bit meh. blood sugar sex magic is brilliant. californication has its moments of brilliance but with a few duffers. By the way is an excellent album with venice queen being classic chillis in my opinion. stadium arcadium again has some great song but a lot of duffers. the latest one is just dreadful. the output of the band is in my opinions very dependant on the state of mind/actual presence of john fruscianti.
oasis i never really liked much. although i have most of their albums i was constantly giving them the benefit of the doubt. some great song on all albums but i cannot listen to a single one of their albums from start to finish. i was and still am much more a blur fan. although i am happy to concede that their later stuff isnt all that and a bag of potato chips.apart from 'under the west way' which is cracking. oasis are one of the worst live bands ive ever seen. blur conversely are one of the best.
oh and U2. early stuff was great but bono slowly disappeared up his own arse.
It's not musical enough!
What do you mean by 'musical'?
Define your terms please.
I should maybe say.. melodious.
I should point out that I am in no way denigrating any other music. I'm happy for you to like early Chilis or indeed anything else, I love the variety of creative output that we have achieved as humans. It's all good.
But I also like to discuss it amicably, so there you go. I like melodious music. Things like 'power', 'energy', and 'rawness' don't mean much to me, for some reason, but they are highly spoke of by other music fans it seems.
the output of the band is in my opinions very dependant on the state of mind/actual presence of john fruscianti
"Best", "worst" et al are of course completely subjective but to my mind One Hot Minute (the one with Dave Navarro on guitar) is the most musically "interesting" album they've done.
