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^^ Apologies! It's not specifically illegal but can count as harassment.
Sorry for not checking properly.
Hampshire and Isle of Wight PCC Donna Jones (Tory, shocker…), just wants to let the government know that the rioters are just misunderstood little flowers…
That is outrageous, for all kinds of reasons. Though I couldn't help but chuckle at the total lack of self awareness that she, representing the party of government for the last 14 years, tried to blame the government of the last 4 weeks. Never liked the idea of PCCs especially as they have become political roles.
I appreciate the sense of karma in seeing protectors getting hit, or imagining creative ways to punish them, but talking hard man fantasies on social media is how this shit started. We need to be better than that.
To take up the point about school summer holidays...
Why do we think this is typically a time when rioting happens - especially far right?
It's unlikely to be anything to do with school itself - a bunch of thugs who never went to school anyway and whose kids, grandkids and great grandkids (status usually attained by the age of 45) are highly unlikely to have attended school either.
Isn't it just a combination of no football and the heat getting to their primitive brains driving them into a frenzy?
On the police response - pretty good, but not enough rubber bullets.
^Thats a new one, blame the immigrants for taking all the jobs. I thought their main grievance was that they don't work and get everything for free?
The bloke that got bitten in the arse by the lube dog has already been in court where, well, he cried.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/02/man-took-part-hartlepool-riot-cries-dock-21350627/
Video further down shows him walking into court with the older guy that will also be sentenced in September.
@poopscoop not sure if I'm giving too much benefit of the doubt but that bloke with the criminal record that can't make the connection. Surely that's a set up ? People aren't that dense are they? If the answer is yes then well done the reporter letting him sign his own stupidity cheque.
SYL is complaining today that he has been tracked down (by the Daily Mail among others) to his hotel in a foreign country and his kids are scared people are coming to get them.
I've yet to see any reports of anyone throwing bricks through the windows and then setting the hotel on fire.
Alanis Morrissette has been put on standby.
Tommy Robinson and others just openly lying now online:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2ggn0x802o
SYL is complaining today that he has been tracked down (by the Daily Mail among others) to his hotel in a foreign country
That’s SYL who has now decided that he’s not English and is traveling on an Irish passport now.
^Thats a new one, blame the immigrants for taking all the jobs. I thought their main grievance was that they don’t work and get everything for free
Schrodingers Immigrant?
Though, more seriously, the failure to rehabilitate and retrain inmates to give them a better chance of employment on release is another failure of (multiple) governments that has led to these kind of issues in that section of society.
I don't know if its bin dun but this really made my day: https://metro.co.uk/video/southport-rioter-gets-hit-head-brick-takes-low-blow-3243115/?ito=vjs-link
It has, but such schadenfreude is worth repeating
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@poopscoop not sure if I’m giving too much benefit of the doubt but that bloke with the criminal record that can’t make the connection. Surely that’s a set up ? People aren’t that dense are they? If the answer is yes then well done the reporter letting him sign his own stupidity cheque.
If only it were a setup eh? 🙁
don’t know if its bin dun but this really made my day: https://metro.co.uk/video/southport-rioter-gets-hit-head-brick-takes-low-blow-3243115/?ito=vjs-link/blockquote >
Where have you been?!You. Are. A. Disgrace!
😉
Apparently Farage is one of those calling for Parliament to be recalled over the disturbances. The government is ruling it out for now.
I'd recall Parliament. And read out the lies Farage spread on Twitter that helped fuel the violence. Make the toad faced arse accountable to the electorate for his actions.
not sure if I’m giving too much benefit of the doubt but that bloke with the criminal record that can’t make the connection. Surely that’s a set up ? People aren’t that dense are they? If the answer is yes then well done the reporter letting him sign his own stupidity cheque
Never underestimate the stupidity out there. Populist politicians certainly don't - and that is the main reason we are where we are.
The school holidays also coincide with the summer break from football. All those firms not getting to meet up for cordial drinks and a game of chess or backgammon must be a bit bored.
I'm not implying that all of the throbbers involved are members of football firms, but I'd be amazed if there aren't the usual suspects well known to match-day Police in the mix; worth remembering that the EDL formed as a result of members of the Luton Town firm.
Apparently Farage is one of those calling for Parliament to be recalled over the disturbances.
Which is a broad hint that recalling Parliament is a bad idea, because it just gives him an opportunity to grandstand. This is something that needs to be dealt with firmly by the executive, without a running commentary from the legislature. All they'll do is bloviate and make things worse.
SYL is complaining today that he has been tracked down (by the Daily Mail among others) to his hotel in a foreign country and his kids are scared people are coming to get them.
Whining about not having 'quality time' with his family while his supporters try to burn other families alive. Shame he won't be able to cross the British border without getting arrested in the future, he can enjoy all the quality time he wants in other countries, until his funding stream from foreign enemies dries up.
I don’t know if its bin dun but this really made my day:
He's bin dun too......arrested several days later at the scene of an unrelated domestic incident were police officers recognised his internet celebrity status.
He was found to have an untreated head injury so he was taken to A&E where he alledgedly racial abused another patient.
No updates concerning the state of his testicles though
No updates concerning the state of his testicles though
Already dubbed 'Eunuch Powell' on Twitter.
Whining about not having ‘quality time’ with his family while his supporters try to burn other families alive. Shame he won’t be able to cross the British border without getting arrested in the future, he can enjoy all the quality time he wants in other countries, until his funding stream from foreign enemies dries up.
He needs some sort of travel ban put in place/ his passport flagged which will likely be copy/pasted by the EU and most other countries.
Which is a broad hint that recalling Parliament is a bad idea, because it just gives him an opportunity to grandstand.
You give Farage far too much credit. The House of Commons is full of highly capable politicians on all sides who could destroy and humiliate Farage. He really doesn't do well in head-to-heads with other politicians.
I have seen Leanne Wood the former Plaid Cymru leader publicly humiliate Farage. In fact I reckon that Darren from Reading would destroy him in a head-to-head. Farage thrives on not being challenged. His appeal lies in his ability to both grin and hold up a pint of beer at the same time.
If Farage is urging Parliament to be recalled it is imo a broad hint that he believes there is little chance of it happening, and that it makes him appear to be concerned about the riots in our cities which he has done so much to fuel.
Furthermore if Parliament is recalled Farage knows full well that it will have bugger all to do with him requesting it, so he might as well call for it and appear concerned.
It would be quite funny to deprive him of his British citizenship as not conducive to the public good.
Are you talking about Nigel Farage ?
Stephen Lennon I believe
I agree with Ernie - always a concern - Farage being in Parliament is the best way to expose him as the lazy, self serving hate monger that he is. A recall and a direct challenge to his role in sharing lies and fuelling hate would start to chip away at his status.
We are assuming of course that the lazy ****er would be bothered to attend - another reason to do it and test him out.
If Darren is not the next MP for Reading I fear an opportunity has been missed.
Farage being in Parliament is the best way to expose him as the lazy, self serving hate monger that he is.
Anyone with half a brain already knows this, anyone who doesn't listen to an opinion outside of Farage's' nonsense isn't going to pay any attention to it.
There's any numbers of EU parliamentarians who'll tell you that if/when Farage could be bothered to turn up, he'd just stand up, say his piece - that to everyone's confusion, nearly always had nothing to do with what was going on at the time, and then **** off directly. It was only later that they'd see his remarks on Twitter or Insta, out of context and edited carefully. Farage won't expose himself in Parliament to any scrutiny, and even if he did go, his supporters don't care what happens in reality.
Confronting or exposing conspiracy theorists with truth doesn't work. It's never going to work. They either come to the truth themselves, or they never do.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjjww791xnlo
This video really concerns me. Why are a small group of rioters able to break a window of a hotel and set fire to the inside when there are police stood around the corner watching them?
There has to be a better way of dealing with them before they're able to set fire to a building? Setting aside the fact there are possibly people in that building, the owner probably isn't insured against civil unrest so it could end up being an uninsured total loss.
Cobra meeting this morning. Hopefully they'll be able to send some coppers up north from London to help stop people's cars being burned out and living room windows smashed. I honestly can't understand why in places like Middlesbrough (see link below) there are too few police available to prevent this shit from happening. They've had a week to organise police resources and collect intelligence, and yet nothing much seems to be happening other than tough talk.
*cough* Austerity *cough*
Yes but there are thousands of cops in the met who could be redeployed to the regions as nothing much seems to be happening in London. I simply don't believe there aren't enough police officers in this country to combat this. Seems like a failure of logistics and intelligence more than anything else.
Water cannon.
What's stopping us getting them into the hands of police forces tomorrow?
I honestly can’t understand why in places like Middlesbrough (see link below) there are too few police available to prevent this shit from happening.
Because places like Middleborough had their local police forces decimated (figuratively and literally) by the Tories. They're recruiting again, but the brunt of the police redundancies was borne by experienced and time served cops (read expensive) being 'offered' early pensions in forces far away from Tory voting homelands. These forces have seen many lifetimes of corporate experience of handling this sort of mob activity walk off into the sunset, and they're starting from scratch again. Most of the few cops they have will have never seen anything like this before.
That’s quite funny, well done.
What's funny about it? You think it's beyond the capabilities of the UK government to redeploy police resources between cities and regions?
You give Farage far too much credit. The House of Commons is full of highly capable politicians on all sides who could destroy and humiliate Farage. He really doesn’t do well in head-to-heads with other politicians.
I have seen Leanne Wood the former Plaid Cymru leader publicly humiliate Farage. In fact I reckon that Darren from Reading would destroy him in a head-to-head. Farage thrives on not being challenged. His appeal lies in his ability to both grin and hold up a pint of beer at the same time.
I'm sure you're right, but Farage can get torn a new one, repeatedly, in the HoC, but the only clips you'll see on the SM he cares about or GB News will be him talking.
Not sure even the BBC would manage a more balanced and accurate report of him being bodied, given the amount of interference with their news output at the moment.
Yes but there are thousands of cops in the met who could be redeployed to the regions as nothing much seems to be happening in London. I simply don’t believe there aren’t enough police officers in this country to combat this.
Oh sweet summer child. They can't keep up with regular crime, let alone public disorder.
Because places like Middleborough had their local police forces decimated (figuratively and literally) by the Tories.
Well if that's true they should be redeploying police from other regions (see above) or if that's not possible then they should be using the army. One way or the other it's the responsibility of the govt to protect civilians froms rampaging mobs intent on trashing communities and attacking mosques, hotels etc. They should be using all the resources at their disposal.
Oh sweet summer child. They can’t keep up with regular crime, let alone public disorder.
Are you suggesting Starmer stands at his lectern and tells the country sorry there's nowt he can do because of the tories? Whether he likes it or not it's now his job to ensure public order and security, if he can't do that he's finished before he's even started.
Farage being in Parliament is the best way to expose him as the lazy, self serving hate monger that he is.
We’ve been here before. He was constantly “exposed” while an MEP, and successfully used that to paint all the expertise, knowledge and empathy present in the parliament he sat in as the problem that needed fixing… and ultimately ensured that we are no longer represented there. People still underestimate Farage because they don’t fall for his approach… meanwhile millions do and our society continues to be damaged, and our democracy is under threat.
they should be redeploying police from other regions
And then the attacks pop up in other regions. Are you following the same news as everyone else?
Why are a small group of rioters able to break a window of a hotel and set fire to the inside when there are police stood around the corner watching them?
There could be any number of reasons. In a public order situation those officers are given strict instructions as to what to do and who to engage with. The decisions being made are a step or two up the chain from the officers you can see, in a strict order of hierarchy. Officers making spontaneous individual decisions are a very real risk to themselves and their colleagues so they'll be relaying info up the chain and awaiting orders to act.
Don't know if it's bin dun already...
See what I did there?
But classy Sunderland lass Leanne, of Leanne's Removals fame, is alleged to have been claiming unemployment benefits whilst running a business. A business, no doubt, that much preferred cash in hand. And I'll bet she still bleats on about her taxes being spent on immigrants.
What a ****ing mess of a person.
What’s funny about it? You think it’s beyond the capabilities of the UK government to redeploy police resources between cities and regions?
Because it’s a Daily Fail type bullshit with no knowledge of the many underlying issues in deploying police from one end of the country to cope with spontaneous events at the other end of the country.
Add in some misguided belief that actionable intelligence on fast moving, fairly spontaneous and loosely organised groups can be just whistled up at a moment’s notice.
Also I don’t believe the police in Middlesbrough, or anywhere else have requested extra police from London.
I'm not sure how well trained the army are at dealing with these situations, without making it worse on the ground.
I think water cannon are not approved for use on the mainland so we don't have any? I quite like the idea of spraying protectors with a semi permanent dye that lasts a month, and an arrest on sight policy when they step outside looking like a poor quality blue nan group tribute act.
Anyone with half a brain already knows this, anyone who doesn’t listen to an opinion outside of Farage’s’ nonsense isn’t going to pay any attention to it.
You are completely underestimating the threat that Farage poses. Of course people change their minds, that is why UKIP/Reform UK went from 2% share of the vote in the 2017 general election to 14% in last month's.
And it is perfectly feasible that more people change their minds by the time of the 2029 general election and Reform UK double their support forming a coalition with the Tories.
It is also perfectly feasible that people change their minds in an opposite direction and the Reform UK vote collapses back to 2%
Are you suggesting Starmer stands at his lectern and tells the country sorry there’s nowt he can do because of the tories?
I don't think he's been doing that, funnily enough...
Are you following the same news as everyone else?
I am indeed. And I'm seeing rampaging mobs destroying property and attempting to burn down hotels etc while police stand and watch. If there aren't enough police to maintain order (which I don't believe) then other options need to be considered.
Benefit fraud is the least of her problems. Slap on the wrist vs jail for violent disorder.
Oh, I don't give a monkey's what the relative penalty is - so long as she gets some me-time in a small room for 20+ hours a day to ponder her life choices.
I'm just highlighting the type we are dealing with here. Absolutely no problem with ripping the UK off for their own gain whilst still hating immigrants for supposedly taking from them.
One punishment that should be ruled out is a lobotomy. What difference would it make?
And it is perfectly feasible that more people change their minds by the time of the 2029 general election and Reform UK double their support forming a coalition with the Tories.
It is also perfectly feasible that people change their minds in an opposite direction and the Reform UK vote collapses back to 2%
Between these two extremes is a spectrum of possibilities. Given the mood in the UK since 2016's legitimisation of xenophobia/racism, possibilities in the direction of the former are way more probable than the latter.
that is why UKIP/Reform UK went from 2% share of the vote in the 2017 general election to 14% in last month’s
A prize to anyone who can remember who was UKIP leader at the 2017 general election.
Farage is key to their success. If they find a young Farage one day, we’re in big trouble.
I quite like the idea of spraying protectors with a semi permanent dye that lasts a month, and an arrest on sight policy when they step outside looking like a poor quality blue nan group tribute act.
Rubber bullets. They leave blue marks too and it would be more fitting.
Oh sweet summer child. They can’t keep up with regular crime, let alone public disorder.
As a related PSA, if you live in one of these under pressure force areas, probably best keeping your bikes indoors for a bit, as there will be opportunistic crime going on left, right and centre this week.
Are you suggesting Starmer stands at his lectern and tells the country sorry there’s nowt he can do because of the tories? Whether he likes it or not it’s now his job to ensure public order and security, if he can’t do that he’s finished before he’s even started.
Sorry, hadn't realised this was just another chance to start Starmer bashing on a different thread. Given that people are dying daily in this country due to the last 14 years of Tory decisions, and he's been in power 4 weeks, there's quite a lot he can't fix immediately no matter how much we want him to.
I daresay the government is better informed on the intelligence and resources available than we are.
A prize to anyone who can remember who was UKIP leader at the 2017 general election.
If you asked the average person in the street that question you would be handing out very few prizes. Everyone associates UKIP with Nigel Farage and Nigel Farage with UKIP.
People seem to have staggeringly short memories. Farage got elected to parliament last month on his eighth attempt, I think, I've lost count.
Farage is not the massively popular politician which a few on here seem to think he is. Nor is there anyway on earth that the current riots are popular with the voting public, as some people also seem to be suggesting.
They have the possibility of inflicting sufficient political damage on Farage that he never recovers
As a related PSA, if you live in one of these under pressure force areas, probably best keeping your bikes indoors for a bit, as there will be opportunistic crime going on left, right and centre this week.
And it will likely, at some point, to involve relatives of those out there chucking bricks and bottles.
You are completely underestimating the threat that Farage poses.
No, I'm not. I'm saying that you cannot fight conspiracy theorists with facts, it doesn't work. Faragists are the same as Maga Trumpists, they're not interested in having a debate with the rest of us about policy decisions or the direction of contemporary Britain. They just want what they want, and the fact that what they want might change tomorrow is just how it is. "Flood the zone with shit" as Steve Bannon so eloquently put it.
You can't have a conversation with people who think that the New World Order or Jewish Space Lasers are an actual thing. They don't inhabit the same reality as the rest of us
The arrest counts from the demos/riots themselves (not in the days after) are quite telling. The one in London looked much less violent than some of the others, but there were over 100 people arrested IIRC. While the ones in the north and Midlands have typically had single digit arrests each. The Met is the only police force in the country that really has the resources to deal with this stuff. I saw a post somewhere pointing out that the "let them be incriminate themselves and round them up later" approach is kind of fine when the target is the police themselves. But when there are marauding gangs of c**ts going round trying to torch buildings with people trapped inside, or blocking the roads and only letting white drivers through, you're going to end up arresting loads of people for murder rather than criminal damage. And that's not going to be any comfort to the people who have been murdered.
The police need to be going in much, much harder, I don't see how setting an occupied building on fire doesn't present an immediate risk to life.
As for 'send in the army', I'm sure they're already involved, just not in the way you'd hope. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o
Sorry, hadn’t realised this was just another chance to start Starmer bashing on a different thread.
Oh FFS, it's got bollocks all to do with Starmer-bashing and everything to do with asking some honest questions about the response to these riots. I'm genuinely quite shocked that some on here seem to think there's nothing that can be done and we somehow just have to accept it and wait for it to subside on its own. I doubt the people living in these areas will be thinking that. I suppose it's an easy view to hold though from the safetly of a nice and quiet suburb or country village.
Sorry, hadn’t realised this was just another chance to start Starmer bashing on a different thread.
The Starmer bashing appears to have spread to the wider public
I agree the riots aren't popular, but I bet there's a fair bit of support for the underlying issues.
This two tier policing thing is getting people drawn in too. Rioters on both sides getting away with things right in front of police, understandable the police will have a strategy and constraints but it's not a good or reassuring look.
…there’s nothing that can be done and we somehow just have to accept it and wait for it to subside on its own.
Who said that?
Anybody advocating the use of the Army here really needs to have a word with themselves. They’ve no training whatsoever in crowd control & would likely be more of a liability than any actual help. Leave this job to the few with the skill to do it. Your average squaddie is not equipped for this role in any way & being a ex-squaddie I know whereof I speak. The old bill are doing an incredibly difficult job under the microscope of anyone equipped with a mobile phone & an agenda. Add to that their massively depleted numbers & their backs are against the wall already. Armchair critics should go get a breath of fresh air bluntly.
thought we’d be better than this
Sadly we're not.
The "this doesn't represent us" stuff that politicians trot out always annoys me. It clearly does, and we need to change it. But that approach just means they can kind of say "nah, it didn't really happen" rather than looking at the root causes (education, austerity, online misinformation, etc) and do something about them.
And remember
I’m genuinely quite shocked that some on here seem to think there’s nothing that can be done and we somehow just have to accept it and wait for it to subside on its own.
Because none of these particular riots have a legitimate grievance. There's 2 folks, and some Russian bots stirring up racial hatred , and the rest are there to see it all kick-off because they don't have enough EQ not do.
some Russian bots stirring up racial hatred ,
They’re going to get a bumper bonus in their pay packet this month- brexit and then this . They can lead the useful idiots around whenever they want.
I am indeed. And I’m seeing rampaging mobs destroying property and attempting to burn down hotels etc while police stand and watch. If there aren’t enough police to maintain order (which I don’t believe) then other options need to be considered.
Police resources are shared under normal circumstances on a system of "Mutual Aid" . Forces will negotiate with their neighbours for planned events such as large sporting events, and for enormous, impactful events such as the Olympics, or G8 summits a national response can be coordinated, but spontaneous requests have to be balanced against the availability of resources.
Here's a few logistics acrobatics to think your way through. I'll use West Yorkshire as my example as I have a better knowledge of WYP's systems and demands than, say, Cleveland.
Officers work shifts. There are three shifts in a 24 hr period. So at any one time only 25% of the operational officers will be working, and of those 25% a known number will be on planned annual leave, another percentage will be on unplanned sick leave, others will be on training courses, or on court standby etc etc.
Of those remaining officers not all will be Public Order Trained. Some will be trained to a very basic level, and then others trained to Level 2, whereby they can be deployed to incidents requiring that level of training.
For a planned event officers will have their rest days cancelled or re-rostered in order to leave a bare minimum number of cops in the home division to do their daily work. This Minimum Policing Requirement (MPR) is pretty well set in stone, and means, for example, that the daily abstractions of leave, training, court duties etc have to be managed to maintain that critical MPR.
In a spontaneous situation like we've seen, I would be sent a request from way up the chain demanding I immediately send a serial , six officers and a sergeant plus a van and shields, specialist kit etc, from the officers on my team. If I'm one of the few trained PSU Commanders available I may have had to go myself and leave a neighbouring colleague in charge. In the meantime others will be making calls to get the next shift in early to cover our MPR, etc etc.
If that spontaneous requirement continues then the divisions supplying s serial to the event will have to call in teams from their rest days, pay overtime and so on.
That's fine on a weekday evening during term time, but on a summer weekend the complications start biting. Teams are already down to planned MPR because of annual leave, most busy town or city divisions have high demand with a busy night-time economy, there are already a load of planned events going on with Carnivals, Melas, Duck Races, Annual Shows or whatever which increases the demand.
These spontaneous outbreaks also mean that my division with its International Islamic Teaching Centre, dozens of mosques/masjids, a large number of migrant and asylum hostels and hotels is vulnerable itself to becoming a focus of the pointy-headed ****wits. If we all bugger off up to Cleveland there is a very real risk that Dewsbury, Batley or Huddersfield becomes the next flashpoint.
So, all leave will now be cancelled. A vast operation will be underway to send properly trained and equipped officers to flashpoints, and every bit as important, huge numbers of officers will be on visible reassurance patrols in vulnerable ares to protect communities and buildings, engage with community leaders and others to prevent the sort of local response/mobilisation we saw in Bolton.
As for the bit about "other options to consider" then you're falling into the tabloid trap of demanding troops on UK streets. We're a very long way away from that.
Every Twitter thread on this has five or so of these bot comments promoted up to sit immediately under the OP, at least that's what I'm seeing. My block button has never worked harder, not that it will make any difference.
Walking the dog this am in our small rural town to find this and other
I thought we’d be better than this.
Careful if you're thinking of removing it, there have been reports of stanley knife blades embedded underneath racist stickers.
Farage is apparently appalled by the rioting and goes on to say
"the majority of our population can see the fracturing of our communities as a result of mass, uncontrolled immigration" from the BBC.
**** Itch from the King Blues - he's a **** of the highest order.
Every Twitter thread on this has five or so of these bot comments promoted up to sit immediately under the OP, at least that’s what I’m seeing. My block button has never worked harder, not that it will make any difference.
Yeah my youtube has been pushing the "protests" all weekend, seeing as I am in Germany and try and keep my youtube feed free from a lot of political subjects, I think that shows the effort being put into promoting the disturbances probably by state actors. It really is time to make SM responsible for platforming divisive lies.