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"Heres your two tier policing"
For anyone wondering, its a video where the Police describe a protest being assessed as low risk, as opposed to a far right protest which is likely to turn violent. They may not have got it completely right but comes across as a perfectly sensible approach to resourcing allocation based on the intelligence they had prior.
It does good to remind yourself occasionally that the average reading age in the UK is that of a nine year old.
This blew my mind.
A fun bit of trolling that would be nice to see from the government:
Once the dust has settled a bit, someone should add up the total cost of all these riots. Not just direct damage but amount lost from people being off work, police cost, cleanup cost etc etc
Then an equal amount should be set aside for use helping immigrants and asylum seekers.
I don't know why you left China, montgomery, the politics and human rights attitudes there must have suited you perfectly.
It does good to remind yourself occasionally that the average reading age in the UK is that of a nine year old.
It's not quite so bad:
https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/collection/health-information-are-you-getting-your-message-across/
https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-literacy/what-do-adult-literacy-levels-mean/
Still, I never knew it was even that bad! Blew my mind too. Explains a lot though 😉
Risks thread diversion, but evidence for this regards the privately educated bit?
I have none, and should have qualified it as speculation. My apologies.
I’m guessing that wasn’t just for holding a “meat is murder” placard outside MacDonalds?
No it was much worse than that.
they know exactly what they are getting into when they choose to attend a demo against small boats or to protect our children – racist thuggery.
Yes the hardcore lot will have known. The random idiot locals who turned up out of curiousity with their mates after having 6 cans of stella and a line of coke probably not.
You think causing a bit of traffic disruption is worse than setting fire to hotels, burning out cars, terrorising people in their homes and beating up police officers and black/asian people?
It's spurious to link the two cases. They're not the same judge, the same court, the same defendants or anything. Nothing about the two cases is linked in any way. The line is an appeal to emotion that somehow we all "know" that the judiciary is biased towards giving longer sentences to environmentalist that to rioters, wink wink nudge nudge when there's no evidence that's true, and none is offered. Two minutes of googling will get the sentencing remarks of Rex vs Hallam, and anyone can read for themselves why he got 5 years, and don't perhaps need to have someone else to put thoughts in their head on their behalf.
Part of this thread is wondering why folks fall for or believe the stupid things that Farage, Tommy Ten-Names and Tate say, well there it is in black and white; 11 people now liking a post that's probably copied straight from a Tweet, that's totally made up meaningless horse-shit, but makes for a slick one liner to get folks wound up
Think you’re mistaken here. The vast majority of employers won’t touch ex-convicts with a barge pole, especially for violent convictions.
It's certainly an easy filter at applications stage isn't it. I probably am wrong about 'they won't be made to pay for it' but if so, employers are another area of society that can play a part in changing the landscape and has the ability to (responsibility to?). Edit, in a competitive job market, not likely though is it. Them's the breaks?
tbh If I had a company it wouldn't put me off interviewing someone. People who make mistakes can learn a lot and people who have easy lives can get by learning little.
Absolutely, but being a drunken idiot doesn’t normally get you 3 years inside.
If it’s all over the media that gangs of fascist thugs are causing chaos, needs to be stopped and everyone had already been read the riot act, then you also need to factor in the ‘being a nobhead’ premium
If it’s all over the media that gangs of fascist thugs are causing chaos
You think your average stella drinking chav watches the news at ten or reads the guardian? More likely they've heard from their mates that it's kicking off somewhere and the cops are getting some payback so they want to go and have a look for some free entertainment. If I were a far right agitator wanting to organise a riot I'd be planning for and depending on the local idiots to present themselves as unwitting cannon fodder. I doubt many of those who are about to get sent down for a few years are far right agitators or organisers, they're not stupid enough to get involved themselves when they can get gullible idiots to do their dirty work for them.
Riots are a bit like traffic jams, in that you don’t get to participate without also contributing.
On the contrary, I've been in quite a few situations that could be described as a riot and I can assure you I didn't plan on it or contribute to it when it was happening. It's very easy to get involved without any intention of taking part or contributing.
Not that I think thats the case with these riots, clearly those attending have deliberately gone there with the hope or intention of it kicking off. Some will just be there to watch and record it on their phones, but that doesn't make them innocent and they can probably expect stiff penalties if they end up getting nicked.
there it is in black and white; 11 people now liking a post that’s probably copied straight from a Tweet, that’s totally made up meaningless horse-shit, but makes for a slick one liner to get folks wound up
Well if we're talking about "totally made up", you've concocted quite a dish of it yourself, with the exception of the "11 likes" bit, which I suppose is accurate at the time I write this. As for the sentencing remarks, as you say, a quick Google will tell you the judge's "reasons" for imposing the sentence he did, and you can judge for yourself (geddit ???) whether they make sense, and whether 5 years for non-violent "disruption" is fair in a system where a person gets much less for violent assault. Your hero talks about the JSO defendants being "fanatics"; how much more fanatical is setting fire to someone's place of refuge?
I notice that a part of the judge's sentencing remarks focuses on the cost of the JSO protests and the injury to a police motorcycleman.
they’re not stupid enough to get involved themselves when they can get gullible idiots to do their dirty work for them.
In most cases the instigators are not even in the same country. I notice premier league bell end Laurence Fox is the latest to head abroad to avoid getting a knock on the door for incitement. He really is just a crap Tommy Robinson tribute act
You think your average stella drinking chav watches the news at ten or reads the guardian? More likely they’ve heard from their mates that it’s kicking off somewhere and the cops are getting some payback so they want to go and have a look for some free entertainment
I’m still sticking to my ‘being a nobhead’ premium applying, whether they watch the news at ten or not. If you’re not bright enough to fathom out that the TV cameras are there so it’s not your average kick off, then you probably need sending down for your own protection
I notice that a part of the judge’s sentencing remarks focuses on the cost of the JSO protests and the injury to a police motorcycleman.
Indeed - neither of which have any comparison to violent assault.
Aren't they two different cases DrJ? The person getting 3 years being unconnected with the arson/attempted manslaughter-murder?
Labour has to admit to inflaming the issue as well
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1820793598951973027
Aren’t they two different cases DrJ? The person getting 3 years being unconnected with the arson/attempted manslaughter-murder?
Yes they are, you are correct. We will have to wait and see if the arsonist gets a substantially bigger sentence.
"Yes they are, you are correct. We will have to wait and see if the arsonist gets a substantially bigger sentence."
Edit, hang on. Found a non paywall version and it's not talking about rioters.
Turned out to be anything but peaceful (shock) with armed men walking around the streets and some smashing up the pub.
To be fair, that only kicked off because some moron in the pub stepped outside to offer them a fight, then got a bit of a shooing and to be protected by the guy who originally put him on his arse. You should watch the video of the community leaders speaking to the pub people.
I notice premier league bell end Laurence Fox is the latest to head abroad to avoid getting a knock on the door for incitement. He really is just a crap Tommy Robinson tribute act
Which is particularly funny when one remembers that 'Tommy Robinson' is a stage name too.
"It comes across as treating one group of people differently to how they would treat another. To suggest otherwise is deliberately antagonistic or at least contrarian."
Not really, they just assessed one group as likely being a problem and another less so and applied their resources on the basis of that assessment. With the caveat they may not have got it right.
Not really, they just assessed one group as likely being a problem and another less so and applied their resources on the basis of that assessment.
An assessment that an 11 year old could have told you was incorrect, and was based on their prejudice towards that group.
You think your average stella drinking chav watches the news at ten or reads the guardian?
Can I even drink Stella now without falling down the STW status-o-meter?
An assessment that an 11 year old could have told you was incorrect, and was based on their prejudice towards that group.
To be fair, that only kicked off because some moron in the pub stepped outside to offer them a fight, then got a bit of a shooing and to be protected by the guy who originally put him on his arse. You should watch the video of the community leaders speaking to the pub people.
Back on Andr*w T*te, the right are now turning on him, turns out he's actually trans and is therefore a globalist plant:
https://twitter.com/vexwerewolf/status/1821022495010390353?t=a2WHAvOiKCGSIxWk8Tn7cg&s=19
It comes across as treating one group of people differently to how they would treat another. To suggest otherwise is deliberately antagonistic or at least contrarian
Do you think they should treat a Brownies remembrance day parade the same as an neo-nazi white pride parade?
The funniest thing the Home Secretary could do right now is revoke “Tommy Robinson”’s UK citizenship on national security grounds. It would be more valid than the Begum case as he’s currently on the run abroad from the UK courts using his Irish citizenship.
I saw the Tate transgender stuff earlier (I'm a researcher of protest so monitor a few telegram groups etc) words fail me really. As a species we probably weren't ready for the internet! Certainly not a Hobbesian anything goes approach to it anyway!
It is amazing how much fear a halfwit with access to the internet can cause. Some quite worried individuals are having to be reassured on Muslim dominated local WhatsApp groups after someone posts completely unverified reports of the far-right local targets.
Stuff which is clearly nonsense. Yesterday someone posted an apparent far-right claim that they were coming for "P*k*s wogs and other foreigners" in Croydon today. It had to be pointed out that this was clearly design to do nothing more than instil fear and not a call to other far-right thugs as there was no time or place mentioned.
Muslim women have by all accounts seen the level of hostility towards them ramped up recently because they are easy to identify, so that makes them more prone to worry about far-right mobs descending locally.
Croydon would be a very obvious target for the far-right because it has a huge Home Office immigration centre but it is not far-right territory and the police locally say that they do not have any intelligence of local far-right targets.
Nevertheless people are obviously worried, mosque attendance is down, Muslim women are discussing not wearing their hijabs, and a false rumour circulated that a Norwood mosque had been attacked. I am told that the police have 4 vans parked outside the main Mosque just reassure people.
I see the right honourable member for Clacton has said he can’t be done for incitement as he was simply relaying information he’d received from that recognised news source…
*checks notes*
… Andrew Tates Twitter account
You really couldn’t make it up. Surely there’s grounds to charge that **** with incitement by now?
I see the right honourable member for Clacton has said he can’t be done for incitement
Is this after the Dishonorable Tool for Clactons latest "I condemn violence but you just be careful" messaging?
https://www.youtube.com/live/1fZakY8SI70?si=YR3vRWPZQ9v-kmtv
Jeezus this is stomach churning. If people are listening to this diatribe no wonder that there is rioting going on.
He lies with so much conviction and passion that even I for a nanosecond start to doubt the truth. Top class gaslighting.
It’s making him an awful lot of money Ernesto. All from the safety of his sun lounger in Cyprus
A few didn't get the memo that Brighton has no time for racism and hate.
5 whole fascists up against a wall with a line of police separating them from a street full of lefties. A steel band and a brass band too just to show them how we do things here. ?
Not sure if this link will work but here goes.
Edit that should be the band above
Middlesbrough shops all closed down again.Nobody about,sirens blaring of all day.Shop and pub owners must be struggling.