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"In 2020 to 2022, male life expectancy was highest in Hart (83.7 years) and lowest in Blackpool (73.4 years), a gap of more than a decade. Female life expectancy was highest in Kensington and Chelsea (86.3 years) and lowest in Blaenau Gwent (78.9 years), a gap of more than 7 years".
When far-right rioters end up in court inFrance the profiles amount to middle-class racist IT nerd rather than jobless uneducated poor.
To end up in court you have to get arrested. On Jan 6th the naive and the gullible, doing their first dubious properly illegal act were over represented in the first wave of arrests. A middle class IT nerd is pretty much the definitive example of the naive and gullible personality types.
I think that ONS data is combining areas and coming up with an average. In that scenario there will be patches with lower and higher life expectancies. Too much of a thread drift however, it's the sort if thing I'll have access to through work (for Scotland at least) so will stop drifting the thread.
This is a list of counter protests which may help:
https://standuptoracism.org.uk/stop-the-far-right-in-your-area-this-weekend/
FWIW I know two mums who had their kids at 16. One of them lived in a shit area and was subject to domestic abuse. They've both made a great job of bringing their sons up and have done it the hard way, working their way up with an employer and ending up in quite decent careers. But they wanted (needed even) to do it because they had theirs sons' best interests at heart and a very clear idea of how they DIDN'T want things to turn out.
I also knew some very well-to-do folk who've made a bollocks of their lives through boozing, coke, gambling etc. I agree that starting off with bugger all is way more likely to result in negative outcomes, but the UK still provides enough opportunity for pretty much anyone to make something of themselves.
And, ultimately, chucking a brick at the police is a choice.
I read the posh boy hate and judgement (based on complete ignorance) and can only see the situation getting worse.I sense, few of you have the slightest idea who these people are and what it’s like to survive in the collapsed societies they exist in.Very sad.
This nonsense, we've always had poverty. but what we are seeing as per threat title is bad actors stocking malcontents and placing all troubles directly on the shoulders of those who in many cases help(nhs workers, small shops, etc etc)
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And this has been pointed out, or did you miss it. reform and nigel farage, tice, cruella, Fox gb news and especially the daily mail.
I could go on but effectively all leads to the same political allegiance.
Of course the reasons are clear. If the population was looking for someone to blame for the ills put upon them by this party and its donors and supporters, i think the vast majority of them would be hanging by their necks from the lampposts surrounding parliament
Better of course to shift that blame to ohers. Islam, Jews,The disabled, Black people, the unemployed etc etc.
Many thanks. Spent a chunk of my day on contingency planning for some of the upcoming "events" today.
@fenderextender Is it possible for a few to escape poverty, deprivation and a shit hand of cards in the game of life, despite all the odds? Yes. Do most in that situation? I don't think so.
but the UK still provides enough opportunity for pretty much anyone to make something of themselves.
So the hundreds of thousands who don't? Is it laziness? ****lessness? Lack of moral fibre? Poor breeding? Lack of intelligence (as opposed to education)? Why are people born into poverty more likely to have low pay, criminal records, shorter life expectancy, worse health etc? Is it their own fault? Are the poor just a bit shit?
Too many people attribute their own success in life to hard work or whatever and are completely blind to the odds being stacked in their favour from birth due to their background.
blokeuptheroad, sorry but that's total nonsense.
The rich and powerful are truly shining examples of the how hard work and perseverance pays off — True Grit, if you will, which the lower orders should all hold in the highest esteem. Take Hugh Grosvenor, for example, a formidable business man who, powered by ambition, landed himself on the Times' Rich List, he might have inherited 12 billion pounds, but that's rather beside the fact. How about Lord Cameron, Osbourne, and Johnson? Shining examples to us all who came up the Eton way, landing the highest positions in the land through nothing but hard work, competence, and unparalleled ability. People from estates in North Liverpool or Sunderland should take note.
Banners and his fellow Labour time servers are going to fail.
No….but it sure as shit isn’t the fault of a comparatively tiny number of people landing in rubber boats near Folkstone either.
Of course not! Who on here has said it is? I'm not excusing the riots. I am just saying that people with zero prospects, poor education and little stake in society are much more likely to buy in to the scapegoating of immigrants by manipulative grifters like Farage and Yaxley Lennon.
Preventing this has far more to do with tacking poverty and lack of opportunity in parts of the country than tinkering with social media etc. imo.
I see Farage has turned on Tommy Robinson. Their fans seem to be taking Robinson's side.
Many of the schools round here are holding operations specialising in crowd control.
That doesn't seem particularly likely.
The irony is that the child, accused of the stabbings was probably sent back from the future to warn of the dangers of inbreeding amongst one’s self-defined ‘racial’ group.
we’re all inbred to a certain extent, but you do wonder how many throws of the dice the rioters have before their kids are welcomed into the arms of Ronald McDonald house?
the boat peoples genetics are the only credible lifeline for the rioters to escape generations of service sector employment (mcD’s?). Saying that, not every employee or shareholder in the service sector is inbred.
Britain is so highly urbanised that very few of its citizens have any meaningful contact with our aristocracy…
A lot of the blame for the pent-up tensions can be placed on Tony Blair.
When you see the rioters, it’s obvious that none of them have consumed psilocybin mushrooms, or had any positive experience in their entire lives.
But Tony Blair outlawed such mushrooms back around 1996 on the pretext that kids might take them.
Some still do, but the cops have better things to do than chase after teenagers.
He must have known that the only demographic such a law would impact would be adults.
The little crunt.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Lots of people seem to think they are hidden, as they are arranging all their meet-ups on Telegram. But anybody can join those groups, nobody checks who you are.
Ah okay, my mistake then.
If anything, I’d say Twitter etc are in fact more open in terms of a spectrum of opinions and views.
Maybe at an absolute scale but in terms of what views you are served you could be forgiven you either live in an echo chamber or are the sole voice of reason. That's the dangerous bit, you don't get any feel for how in touch with the rest of the world you are and far too much stuff is designed just to rile you up.
So no, once again, forums are nothing like Twitter/Meta.
But Tony Blair outlawed such mushrooms back around 1996 on the pretext that kids might take them.
Was it not around 2006? Or was that just when they were made class A? Certainly wasn't TB in 1996 anyway, he wasnt PM until 1997.
Robert Jenrick being made to squirm by the intellectual powerhouse that is Good Morning Britain over a poll that says a chunk of the population reckon the last Tory government bears some responsibility for the riots we've seen this last week.
Getting called out when he tries to use the "honest debate about migration" excuse.
He couldn't talk his way out of a wet paper bag. Even if you held it open for him.
Preventing this has far more to do with tacking poverty and lack of opportunity in parts of the country than tinkering with social media etc.
You’re not wrong. It absolutely requires government level economic intervention, but I’m very much of the mind that the loss of the labour movement educating people at the grass roots level has also had a detrimental impact on how nuanced people’s ability to critically analyse cause and effect on their circumstances and those of their community. Growing up in the 60s, I spent a lot of Sundays listening to my grandfather and his mates talk politics with a level of sophistication that I rarely encounter today.
It was also a useful learning experience being allowed to participate, but having my arse ruthlessly handed to me by people with a much better grasp of their subject ?
Preventing this has far more to do with tacking poverty and lack of opportunity in parts of the country than tinkering with social media etc. imo.
Social media is the short term fix, the poverty and lack of opportunity are the longer term solution. Will take two generations. Invest in education, housing, social support now, save on crime, benefits, social services in 20-30 years time.
The vision I wanted to hear offered at the last election. Maybe these consequences of inaction might make it happen, I'm not confident though.
That doesn’t seem particularly likely.
I am curious as to what they meant by that. Are they lined up on the football pitch with riot shields and batons? Sounds far more fun than the cross country run we had to do.
Why are the police not using water cannons, pepper spray, tear gas and other riot controlling methods? This is ongoing and out of control criminal activity, that has many many people terrified in those towns/cities, they seem to be using traditional riot control methods in Northern Ireland. Seems here's no reasoning with the pheasant uprising, so why let it just rumble on.
"I’ve seen Glasgow quoted at 54 and 56 but also seen those figures contested so I assumed monkeyc is from Glasgow."
Possilpark is the lowest ranked place in Scotland for health with a life expectancy of 66.2 years (from understanding Glasgow).
The same website also gives a "Healthy Life Expectancy" of 56 years for Glasgow City (which is still appalling even if its not actual life expectancy). Guessing the two measures have been mixed up.
****, 56, I'm still expecting to be climbing and running marathon distances in the highlands at 56.
Heard last night that lots of prison places were rapidly filling up, the Bibby Stockholm is empty. Might be some great ironing.
Heard last night that lots of prison places were rapidly filling up, the Bibby Stockholm is empty. Might be some great ironing.
That really would be fantastic.
The UK's shit-filled rivers would make a great moat to prevent/hinder escapees.
Apparently the Calton 54 life expectancy was from a very tightly drawn boundary with a population of 2500, too small statistically and containing a couple of hostels with residents in high risk groups.
https://www.gcph.co.uk/latest/news-blogs/570-life-expectancy-in-calton-no-longer-54
Possilpark is the lowest ranked place in Scotland for health with a life expectancy of 66.2 years
In addition to which figure is right people tend to get a bit confused about life expectancy anyway. Victorians didn't all die young - just so many died in infancy that the average age was skewed down. Those who survived childhood on average lived good long lives. Same is true today but less extreme. A deprived area will have more than it's fair share of death by overdose, in cars, undiagnosed health issues and crime related. But if you survive all that and get out of your 20s the difference is significantly reduced between areas. Still a problem obviously but not as stark as on first impression.
Not area specific but age specific. A 52 year old man in the UK has a life expectancy of 84. If you survive another 20 years without dying in a car crash or getting cancer etc, at 72 your life expectancy is 86. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/lifeexpectancycalculator/2019-06-07
Means, modes and medians. The 'average' person in the UK has less than 2 legs
I am doing the Big Ride for Palestine this coming Saturday. It has been in the planning for a very long time and money raised will go to provide medical aid for Palestine. This morning I received the text below in an email. If it doesn't go ahead I will be gutted. I am not comfortable with leaving it to the police to decide whether it should go ahead, by far the easiest thing for them is to say cancel, they won't be bothered about Palestine. The problem for the organisers is that it is one thing to take a risk on behalf of yourself and something quite different taking on behalf of other people.
The text:
As you will probably know there has been a huge growth in extreme right-wing attacks over the last week or so in communities across the country, aimed at immigrants, asylum seekers and people of colour. We join others in expressing our full concern for, and solidarity with, all the communities feeling beleaguered by these terrible events.
In addition to the riots, we have noticed on other rides across the country that there has been an increase in hostile response to riders in a way we have not experienced before, (though all were completed successfully).
As organisers of the Big Ride we are concerned first and foremost with the safety of our riders. We are having discussions with the police and other partner organisations about the risks to the ride and the riders. At this stage we are planning to continue with the rides, but this may change if the situation in London deteriorates and the police advise very strongly that we should cancel the rides this weekend. We will let you know by Friday morning at the latest. We are really hoping we can go ahead with the rides but we wanted you to be aware that there may be some risk in taking part in the ride.
We will understand if you decide not to join the ride this year, although we hope you will
I am curious as to what they meant by that. Are they lined up on the football pitch with riot shields and batons? Sounds far more fun than the cross country run we had to do.
I think they mean the school is a 'holding operation' rather than the school is "holding lessons on how to do crowd control". They aren't planning or expecting to deliver a high quality education and have the pupils all leave with 5+ GCSEs at C and above. Instead they're just keeping the kids from killing themselves or the teachers aka 'crowd control'.
Whoops I've been kicked out of another Facebook group.
This time they were encouraging people to go to Plymouth and hold a vigil alongside Stop the boats and anti immigration 'protest' not sure they liked me calling them a ghoul.
I have a few people on Friendface who I went to school with who weren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the box. It lets me know what’s going on outside my own Guardianista echo chamber.
A lot of them regularly have St George’s crosses as their profile pictures and other such nationalist gubbins and all were obviously Brexit enthusiasts. They were anti-vaxers during covid and a couple now just post mad conspiracy theory nonsense
Since last week everything seems to have amped up quite considerably and now it’s just the kind of outright unashamed racism that I thought we’d seen the back of. We seem to be heading back to the 1970’s and the National Front in a lot of peoples minds
Hang on, back up a minute. Was there someone back there suggesting that the reason behind the rioting is a lack of shrooms?
the pheasant uprising
If any group would have a problem with the aristocracy, it's them 😉
the pheasant uprising
Fair game
What is the deal with this list of towns/cities. Seems like a very large number of places to organise "action" simultaneously. How credible is it? A city near me features... is it all going to kick off later?!
@ossify, I think so, and that wasn't even the most convoluted part of the post.
The ‘average’ person in the UK has less than 2 legs
Interestingly (or not), there is no "average" person due to correlations.
With regards to poverty, there was a shocking statistic regarding University applications this week; you are at least four times more likely to go to University if you live in Wimbledon (77%), compared with Barrow and Furness (17%). Students in London are no more or less intelligent than those elsewhere. That's not how genetics in large populations works.
I have a question that is likely to get me into a whole world of hurt on here, but I really need it answered...
A meme site I visit has a number of videos claiming to show gangs of armed Muslims including one where it's claimed that a community support officer is telling them to hide the weapons in a Mosque. Are these fakes or is this really happening?
I know the simple answer is to stop visiting the site, but immersing myself in the echo chamber doesn't educate me.