[Closed] Assange.

Then why is the extradition being pushed by a Swedish MP? and why don't they interview him where ever he is and press charges?

Scenerio A: The Swedish justice system (like ours) prioritise cases where they feel a conviction is more likely, so if there is some doubt in the prosecutors mind over this case it does not become high priority. The alleged victim is not happy about this so complains to her MP, her MP then raises this issue...this is what they are for, amongst other things.
Scenerio B: An MP wants to raise his profile so seizes upon this case which otherwise may have been dropped and raises the issue... This is the nature of beast sometimes.
Scenario C: A Swedish MP is really in the pay of the CIA or State Dept of USA and raises the issue...

The Swedish prosecutors may well think the case is marginal and don't want to draw too much attention to something they don't feel they can secure a conviction on and therefore drag their heels over it...

@ ernie lynch - I said a "modern" Che Guevara, clearly if the great Che was still alive he would have seen that Capitalisim is the one true path and worshiped the great god that is "Merchandise" and attended the Church of the Holy Brand. Boy am i glad that didn't happen after he died... 😉

The Swedish prosecutors may well think the case is marginal and don't want to draw too much attention to something they don't feel they can secure a conviction on and therefore drag their heels over it...

The Swedish prosecutors may well think the case is [s]marginal[/s] political and don't want to [s]draw too much attention to something they don't feel they can secure a conviction on[/s] be seen as America's poodle the Britain sometimes is and therefore drag their heels over it and hoping it all goes away or someone else does the American dirty work for them...

the russians wouldve polloniumed his ass some time ago

the russians wouldve polloniumed his ass some time ago

*Decides against suhsi for lunch*

I heard that if you're wanted for normal crimes ( like rape) then you can't claim political asylum.

If it was me, I'd want to clear my name of any crime, the running about makes him look guilty, especially in someone who's all about getting information into public.

Nice to see that we live in a country that values human rights.....

There is no human right that allows you to avoid trial for sexual assault in one of the worlds most liberal democracies. Perhaps you think there should be. Please enlighten us all on your views.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18521881 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18521881[/url]
BBC's 'Assange FAQ'.

I actually think the biggest nail in his credibility would be for him to be extradited to Sweden then the Americans to do nothing. He'd just look like a tin-foil hat wearing loon for the things he'd done.

The real damage to wikileaks came when the story became Assange not the stuff they were revealing. Putting him on trial in the US for the wikileaks stuff would be just bringing attention to him. If the Americans are pulling the strings as some have suggested, the smartest course of action would be to make sure he went to jail in Sweden.

*Decides against suhsi for lunch*

Any chance of sweden writing a "promise we won't give you to the americans, cross our heart and hope to die, no take backs, our fingers aren't crossed, we really really promise" contract so they can get him back to interview and if need be prosecute him?

He's accused of some pretty nasty stuff but he seems to have an entire nation wanting him to be hunted down and illegally shot (or extradited, tried and put to death) who wouldn't be just a little worried

and paranoid

Latest news on the Beeb- if Ecuador grant him asylum the UK Government will NOT guarantee his safe passage.

So, has he actually been charged with a crime? Since when do you get extradited over something you've not been charged with?

You mean like the assurances the UK sought from Jordan over Abu Qatada?

There is no human right that allows you to avoid trial for sexual assault in one of the worlds most liberal democracies.

Yet the whole case for the alleged rape is that he persuaded her to have sex by not being completely honest about his long term intentions, not that he forced her, Sweden seems to be the only country where this is classified as rape. She was perfectly fine with what took place until she discovered there was also another women.

Its easy to be persuaded by the "rape" headline, what we would normally consider to be rape is a nasty horrible crime and quite rightly despised, but that is not what happened here.

There is no human right that allows you to avoid trial for sexual assault

There haven't been any charges laid against him, I believe he's agreed to be interviewed but doesn't want to be extradited.

As I said earlier.. they throw all this at someone until it sticks... moving the conversation from the real issue (freedom of information / unprofessional diplomatic corp) to a possibly minor but more sensational offense (the investigation is for a charge that is less serious than a 'rape' charge).

I'm not trying to defend him (assault of any kind is abhorent), I'm trying to show how we are being manipulated and how people who challenge the status quo are brought down.

Well he is kind of creepy

well he must be guilty then.

So.. He's an Australian citizen, who allegedly committed crimes against USA and Sweden, hiding in the Ecuadorian Embassy.

Time to make it somebody else's problem.

So he'll just be sleeping on the floor of the embasy for the next few years?

The one thing we can all learn from this; never sleep with a Swede (not sure if it also applies to male's?), no matter how hot. Unless you are happy to risk a 'rape' charge when she finds out you also slept with her friend...

[b]Yet the whole case for the alleged rape is that he persuaded her to have sex by not being completely honest about his long term intentions, not that he forced her, Sweden seems to be the only country where this is classified as rape. She was perfectly fine with what took place until she discovered there was also another women.
Its easy to be persuaded by the "rape" headline, what we would normally consider to be rape is a nasty horrible crime and quite rightly despised, but that is not what happened here.[/b]

Thought that deserved re posting, as some people here seem to view him as a bloke who forced himself on some poor defenceless woman. The real story seems to be somewhat different from the Headlines suggestion of it.

Or don't let your nation become a vassel of the USA's 'justice' system.

[i]The one thing we can all learn from this; never sleep with a Swede (not sure if it also applies to male's?), no matter how hot. Unless you are happy to risk a 'rape' charge when she finds out you also spelt with her friend...[/i]

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...unless you can run very, very fast.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/usain-bolt-parties-with-three-of-the-swedish-1230004

Yet the whole case for the alleged rape is that he persuaded her to have sex by not being completely honest about his long term intentions, not that he forced her,

Really? I thought it was about the fact that she'd consented to (protected)sex, but he'd taken off the condom for a bareback ride without telling her, then when she found out he refused to undergo an STD tes, and she went to the police.

Yet the whole case for the alleged rape is that he persuaded her to have sex by not being completely honest about his long term intentions, not that he forced her, Sweden seems to be the only country where this is classified as rape. She was perfectly fine with what took place until she discovered there was also another women.

Its easy to be persuaded by the "rape" headline, what we would normally consider to be rape is a nasty horrible crime and quite rightly despised, but that is not what happened here.

Yup, not only would it not be considered rape here, it wouldn't even be any kind of crime. It might be fairly morally dubious, but there are far worse things you could do in terms of 'tricking' people to sleep with you and it still wouldn't be a crime in most countries.

can't the Swedes try his case in absentia ?

Supposedly bright enough to [s]get into uni of choice[/s] [b][u]undermine the foreing policies and be a security risk too many 'Western democracies'[/b][/u] but too bloody stupid to use contraception?

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scaredypants - Member
can't the Swedes try his case in absentia ?

He would need to be charged first, the arrest warrant is for questioning.

He would need to be charged first, the arrest warrant is for questioning.

(I'm assuming that he could agree to be questioned and then "no comment" everything anyway, so common sense should easily dismiss a request for extradition for questioning as it might well prove totally fruitless)

Wanted for an interview? Don't they have phones in Sweden?

The Ecuadorian embassy is effectively Ecuadorian soil. If we had good reason to go in, we could do this under our legal system. However, this is an accusation made by one foreign state against another foreign state. Why are we getting involved at all. Why not let the Swedes and the Ecuadorians sort it out between themselves?

Removing an embassy's immunity on the say so of another country sets a very dangerous precedent in my view.

[i]Why are we getting involved at all. Why not let the Swedes and the Ecuadorians sort it out between themselves?[/i]

We've issued an arrest warrant for breaking the bail conditions of his extradition appeal case. We ankle-tagged him and told him to stay away from foreign embassies (reside in norfolk).

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_The_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority#Complaints_and_initial_investigation ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_The_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority#Complaints_and_initial_investigation[/url]
Wikipedia's detail on the charges and legal processes. There appears to be a language barrier in exactly translating the charges into English. But note:

The High Court found that the Swedish process has reached the stage of criminal proceedings, which would be equivalent to having been charged under English process

Oooh, a wikipedia quote!

Now all we need is a graph or two....

i reckon wallander would get to the bottom of this,

oooh theyve granted asylum

so will the sas storm the building?

or will the popos just pull over his limo on the way to heathrow?

eaither way i bet that argentinian president is hoping for some drama and preparing for a press conference to denounce us imperialists

edit: maybe its part of a bigger plan to start a fight with ecuador, is there oil under the galapagos?

Asylum granted...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19281492

kimbers - Member
or will the popos just pull over his limo on the way to heathrow?

Diplomatic vehicles can be stopped but not searched, but once he gets out of the car at the airport...

I wonder what the next move is by Assange.

How will he physically leave the embassy?

Or is being an Ambassador the only method to avoid being arrested?

Diplomatic vehicles can be stopped but not searched, but once he gets out of the car at the airport...

Sorry if hes pulled at the airport on the way then I question how ****ing shit how democracy really is. Yes he does have a charge to answer but we as a nation can refuse the extradition if there is other information that may lead to any form of unfair trial etc.

This country sucks balls on immigration, taxes and human rights. Rendition-specialists..

xiphon - Member
I wonder what the next move is by Assange.

How will he physically leave the embassy?

Or is being an Ambassador the only method to avoid being arrested?

If he and the Ecuadorian government have any sense they'll let the Met make the next move.

Does the Star Trek's transporter actually work?

Scuzz - completely forgotten about ferries and the chunnel.... good idea!