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Making us immune to what we see, are we being desensitised to a lot of events simply because we experience them via these media's constantly.
It's normal to see reports of rape, murder all sorts of crime, war, famine, corruption, genocide, is the constant stream of information in this controlled and sanatised fashion, making us immune to the very events they report.
Are we becoming less caring and more belligerent because we have simply been desensitised and distanced to all that goes on ❓
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If something horrible happens in the world I'm still shocked by it no matter how many people I kill on Call of Duty.
If you're going to post your ridiculous theories at least make them a)original and b)interesting.
Most of us can separate fact from fiction. Next.
and those who can't historically have good imaginations for inventing nasty things to do when TV/GTA/CoD wasn't around to inspire them.Most of us can separate fact from fiction
If you're going to post your ridiculous theories at least make them a)original and b)interesting.
Would you say that we are being desensitised to ridiculous theories simply because we experience them via kaesae constantly?
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That is an interesting and original theory Graham. I'm off to write a treatise on it now.
Perhaps you are all correct and voicing different view points and a different perspective on circumstances is wrong and that any one doing so should be ridiculed in an attempt to shut them up.
You could be right that these screen based past times are having no effect on the individuals participating in them what so ever.
Spending hours killing everything in sight, or watching your favourite star as they whoop some ass, has no effect on people.
After all it's not like people are cultivating an appetite for these things or as if they will be less likely to be effected by them, simply because they are used to them, now is it?
Not sure there is much behind your theory tbh.
However, I had the misfortune of experiencing a spot of real warfare in my first "job" out of school. CoD etc do absolutely nothing for me but am not sure if that's because I've experienced the real thing or just that I'm just not that sort of person. It would be interesting to know how the interest in these sort of games compares between serving or ex servicemen and the general populous at large.
I spend hours watching porn on TV & PC etc.
I'm still fairly sensitive - where it matters 🙂
No amount of over-work has desensitised it
HTH
Making us immune to what we see, are we being desensitised to a lot of events simply because we experience them via these media's constantly
I think there's a fair amount of evidence that this is true, up to a point, and especially with kids.
A recent scientific study, I don't have a link handy but saw it repeated on TV a while back, showed that kids who had been allowed to play a couple of hours of a violent game were more likely to be aggressive and ignore someone in need of help than those who hadn't. Obviously that's open to some argument but it follows through into other realms. While people like to think they know the difference between reality and games, it's often the case that they're affected subconsciously by things. As I say, there's a fair few studies done on it (mostly around gaming and films with kids) - check out on google scholar for some real scientific info rather than listening to the STW masses 🙂
This should start you off:
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1995-20964-001
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-8624.00623/abstract
And one for non-children, physiological results:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103106000825
Read into history, people were way more disturbed and messed up then, try starting with the bible.
Read into history, people were way more disturbed and messed up then, try starting with the bible.
Indeed, when public beheading and violence was allowed people were indeed more violent. Cause and consequence is difficult to identify though!
a different perspective on circumstances is wrong and that any one doing so should be ridiculed in an attempt to shut them up.
You didn't offer a different perspective, you asked what we think, and was told. What do *you* think?
I think that we are becoming a race of spectators, who watch but do not get involved physically or emotionally, mountain bikers are different to the average person these days, but the same problems that effect the average person, effect us to varying degree's.
Too much time spent in front of screens with the wrong kinds of influences is in my opinion having a detrimental effect on our race, culture and also each of us as individuals.
But what do I know and why should I even get to voice my opinions?
kaesae - Member
Perhaps you are all correct and voicing different view points and a different perspective on circumstances is wrong and that any one doing so should be ridiculed in an attempt to shut them up.
It's not a different perspective at all, it's a well worn groove that goes back to 'video nasties' and the hysteria over games like Carmaggedon (brilliant) and the GTA series, in fact the arguments about art having a corrosive effect on culture goes back centuries.
But what do I know and why should I even get to voice my opinions?
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No-one's saying you can't voice your opinion, but I can tell you that your opinion is stupid. Free speech baby.
Do you spend a lot of time in front of screens lifer?
Lifer - Member
If you're going to post your ridiculous theories at least make them a)original and b)interesting.
c) coherent
kaesae - Member
Do you spend a lot of time in front of screens lifer?
Yes, why?
I've watched violent films and played violent games ever since I was a wee lass. Whilst playing games, I'll cackle malevolently as I chainsaw up an opponent in Gears of War, get cheerful satisfaction from a well executed headshot (in pretty much any shooter), and gleefully smash up cars in any racing game that gives me the opportunity. I'll laugh through CSI.
In real life, I pass out at the sight of blood, feel sickened at footage of civilians getting gunned down in the middle east, and I actually threw up when I saw the news footage of Leslie Crowther's wrecked car - it was the dent in the interior of the roof with the blood splatter that did it.
There are numerous studies on screen violence and how it effects behaviour, and they've all been fairly inconclusive either way. I think there's been some correlation that violent people are more likely to seek out violent entertainment, but not that violent entertainment causes people to become violent.
It's normal to see reports of rape, murder all sorts of crime, war, famine, corruption, genocide,
What you see on screen will never even begin to compare with the thrill of doing it for real 😈
Watch Roadwars and play driving games, so crash and see crashes all the time ,however watched a episode of Fifthgear the other day where they crashed a ford focus into a static block at 120mph,the results we're horrific,it really brought home the results of speeding and a high speed crash.
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Do you spend a lot of time in front of screens lifer?"Yes, why?
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Lifer! would you say it has made you more tolerant, friendly and charming?
More tolerant/friendly/charming than what?
Are we becoming less caring and more belligerent because we have simply been desensitised and distanced to all that goes on
Less than when? The good old days? When we used to buy and sell slaves, burn witches, that kind of thing?
You know there's an awful lot of caring, sharing and loving on telly too. Ever think that might rub off on us as well?
Maybe if Hitler would have had video games, HE'D HAVE AVOIDED DOING IT FOR REAL!
no. It's just negative thinking. It's amazing what you can theorize to fit your own viewpoint. Personally, many of the most disturbing, wonderous and thought provoking things I've come across have been through The Screen. I would be far further removed from things going on in the World without my Tv or Pc. It takes a certain pro-active element on my part, and I also use these tools for entertainment purposes, which can also be a social thing. I play footy and shooty xbox games with friends who now live in Sweden and Germany, I probably wouldn't ring them otherwise, but get to see how they are doing with a bit of banter on the headset. Modern technology is a fantastic communication tool. You are here questioning things aren't you?
So it's all good and no matter how much time is spent looking at events or watching movies/playing games, it will have to effect on our minds what so ever?
If anything it makes us more sociable to sit on our own looking at a screen 😯
If anything it makes us more sociable to sit on our own looking at a screen
... whilst socialising with friends across the country on XBL / PSN, who you'd otherwise not have the opportunity to talk to.
The whole 'computer games make you violent' argument is, frankly, pish.
Every so often it'll hit the headlines, some halfwit will go on a rampage "after playing Grand Theft Auto" or some such. What these headline-grabbing knee-jerk stories fail to understand is this. Computer games, movies, TV shows, comic books, etc etc, do not [i]make [/i]people violent. If they did, we'd all be doing it.
No, violent people are already violent. People who go on murderous killing sprees are wrong in the head. Games didn't cause that, [i]they were messed up to start with.[/i] Sure, they might've just watched the latest horror movie before picking up a shotgun, but that doesn't imply a causal link. If that movie didn't exist, they'd have watched TV or listened to heavy metal or, hell, sat knitting for what difference it makes.
It's lazy journalism and wooly thinking. Too much knife crime? Let's ban knives. That'll work. Except, a) people who want to carry a knife for 'protection' are the kinds of people who will do so irrespective of the law, and b) if by some miracle we did stop people carrying knives, you'd see a decrease in knife crime and a commensurate increase in hammer crime, broken bottle crime, and half-brick in a sock crime. It misses the point, which is, this isn't knife crime, it's thug crime and what we need to be doing is apprehending / educating / punishing / rehabilitating aggressive thugs. Not looking for scapegoats and excuses.
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Lifer! would you say it has made you more tolerant, friendly and charming?"Lifer - Member
More tolerant/friendly/charming than what?
The hyperbole and leaps of logic I can take, but if you ask me a question at least have the decency to respond to the answer.
kaesae I think you spend too much time in front of a PC, all this concpiracy nonsense you are spouting on almost every thread..
Go and ride your bike.
humanity is not getting worse buddy.. you've been told this over and over again.. it's always been bi-polar
you're certainly focussing on the worse bits and looking for answers though.. which is nice.. but as mentioned you seem to stuck in a cycle of negative thinking..
I spend far more time indulging in screen based activities than Id like to.. however.. pretty much the only time I expose myself to life's dark underbelly through screentime is when I open your threads..
it's good that you're looking outwards for solutions but look inwards too otherwise you're just scapegoating.. be the change you want to see in the world and all that..
If you [i]really[/i] want to make a change you are shouting into a deep and empty hole by using STW as your platform.. you know that yet still you do it..
be progressive..
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Lifer! would you say it has made you more tolerant, friendly and charming?"Lifer - Member
More tolerant/friendly/charming than what?The hyperbole and leaps of logic I can take, but if you ask me a question at least have the decency to respond to the answer.
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To answer the OP - I'm a fatalist - people do bad stuff and always have done.
Perhaps it is simply my mental retardation that makes me ask so many questions and seek to learn.
None the less, I am always up for some ridicule!
If you are spending time doing any activity, will you not also be spending time cultivating an attitude that is appropriate to that activity?
If you are involved in activities where you invest or risk nothing physical or emotional you then do not have anything to lose, there are no responsibilities or consiquences, no matter what you do.
You are saying that even though you are cultivating this attitude, you can switch it off and on at will and it does not effect you in any way to how you act or the decisions you make in the real world?
Also the I don't give a shit attitude in our society, isn't being caused to any degree by screen based past times. That in fact everyone who is involved in cultivating an attitude of no responsibility and no consiquences, can also switch that attitude on and off at will and thus stop any detrimental effect it might have on their lives and culture?
What we do defines who we are and attitude plays a great part in determining our individual capacity to succeed. Are you claim that cultivating an attitude of no responsibility and no consiquences is a good thing?
I'm still a bit confused to be honest and now I have even more questions, so for now I will simply except that if you are happy, I am happy to leave you to it 😉
So moving on from the detrimental attitude cultivation inherent in screen based past times and since no one has any objections, let us look at the attitudes of those who indulge in screen based past times/activities and the effects of it on thier healths.
Rather than looking at them all I will simply focus on the obese, these individuals care nothing for the condition of thier own physical bodies, they have taken the entire no responsibility or consiquences of thier actions to a completely new level. I feel quite confident that the rise in screen based past times and obesity/health issues is linked.
Not only are there detrimental psychological side effects but there are also physiological side effects, this is however only my deranged view point.
Google search turns up this
This was carried out on scottish children
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleeping-angels/200908/watching-tv-leads-obesity
So basicaly I hear what you are saying, I just don't believe you 😯
That said most of you are too far gone to benfit from this thread, hopefully some are not, screens off! and your lives back on!
That's all I have to say about that!
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/daily-mail-fabricated-zombie-gamer-story/090465
"However, Hart-Fletcher has confirmed to Beefjack that he never said the quotes attributed to him in the story, and even provided an MP3 of the interview as proof.
“Our stance is that gaming, being in constant contact with friends and playing with other gamers around the world, is good for most kids most of the time,” Hart-Fletcher stated.
“While people can over-use games or smartphones, they can over-use anything – and that’s no reflection of the value of the activity.”"
BAAAAM! THREAD RESURRECTION!
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If you are spending time doing any activity, will you not also be spending time cultivating an attitude that is appropriate to that activity?
Perhaps but maybe you choose activities that match the attitude you already have? So lazy people like to sit around and watch TV, rather than watching TV making you lazy.
