[Closed] Anyone on here tried heroine?

I quite fancy Wonder Woman.

Ripley for me.

the bad ladies are always much nicer than the heroines, they're normally in tight black leather for a start 😀

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...but then it was the centenary so will let you off.

Nope, but know a few that have.

It's bloody horrible at first by all accounts.

Tried pretty much most things, but won't go near that muck.

Ignore them all.

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Being from the North East I'm biased though.

Marilyn Monroe for me

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in another life - yes

Closest I've come is Diamorphine in hospital, which is the same thing.

The best way I can describe the effects is that it gives you a feeling of incredible, utterly supreme comfort. You can feel quite nauseous at first, but that soon passes. All the stresses and pains of life melt away, and you feel blissfully relaxed. Not 'out of body', but quite 'floaty'. Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh.......

I can understand it's appeal, and can see just how dangerous it is. Nothing in the World matters, when you're smacked up. Nothing.

Very 'moreish'.....

Gutted, drugs have had a proper grip on that band. Loved man in a box and the like. Shall have an aic morning on spotify tomorrow. 🙁

Have never tried it but have such an addictive personality that it would end in tears if I did..

No, but I once lived with someone who was an addict. Other than the inability to hold down a job, constantly feeling ill, the blackouts and selling her body to any disease-ridden punter to pay for it, it all seemed fine.

mmm

I just wonder what the high's like.

Also, I think it has a great image compared to cocaine, which is associated with Patrick Bateman and the worst of David Bowie. I know you shouldn't glamorise it especially in the circumstances but does anyone like Primal Scream's recent stuff?!? Or the Chilis - they've done nothing since Californication and even that was borderline.

I pumped Rain When I Die loud enough this evening when I got home from work that the neighbour complained, but I ignored her. Greatest band of a period when there were many, many great bands.

I'll be completely honest, it's one of the nicest highs I've ever had. Amazing.

The drug itself, if used safely and cleanly, is relatively harmless; it's the shit it gets cut with and the lifestyle that surrounds it's use, for most addicts, that's the problem.

You could use Heroin every day, and be perfectly healthy, if you had a clean supply and clean needles, and injected carefully. It's a physically far less destructive drug than tobacco, alcohol and many others.

I had Diamorphine in hospital too and it's just as Fred says - probably the most warmly satisfied, blissfully content feeling I've ever had. No wonder people get addicted to it.

+1000 for the Diamorphine 🙂

Yeah, like Keith Richards

I haven't tried it, but I did watch my cousin die as a result of her addiction. It took about 20 years and was so very sad 😥

Her sister is also hooked as a direct result of trying to get her off it. She will go the same way too.

Thankfully I have enough self awarness to know I possess an incredibly addictive personality.

Horses for courses.
Diamorphine made me feel so sick I preferred to take the pain from my shoulder op than use the self admin I was given in hospital.
Its complete bollox to say any drug is "harmless", its all a matter of individual circumstances and personality/genetic make up.
One man's meat is another man's poison.

Its complete bollox to say any drug is "harmless"

It's not poisonous like alcohol or tobacco though.

Yeah of course. What I meant was Heroin is relatively harmless if you compare it to alcohol and tobacco. Some folk are allergic to aspirin and stuff like that. Aspirin is still [i]relatively[/i] harmless though.

Horses for courses

Ketamine is for horses....

Winston - heroin usage causes few health issues - far less than alcohol for example. Its all the stuff surrounding the addiction and the prohibition that causes the harm. A junkie with a plentiful supply of clean heroin does not come to much harm. Its just you only ever hear about the people with chaotic lifestyles

see William Burroughs for example

You do need a lot of money tho. Much petty crime is driven by heroin addiction

A junkie with a plentiful supply of clean heroin does not come to much harm. Its just you only ever hear about the people with chaotic lifestyles

It's the unknown purity which is the killer - it leads to fatal overdoses.

And nuts. Some folk are allergic to nuts.

I had a mate I was in a band with for about 5 years. he had an addictive personality. First booze, then dope, then speed, then acid, coke, addicted to them all. But he never ever tried smack.

until one day he decided he wanted to go clean, so he checked into a rehab group. Where he met a woman who happened to be a smackhead.

He tried it.

once.

You shouldn't be going to funerals of thirtysomethings.

RIP Ed Johnson

It's not poisonous like alcohol or tobacco though.

Not heard of too many people ODing on a session of booze, although it's probably possible. Probably impossible if you're not already an alcoholic (ie chronically abusing the drug already).

Nope, never heard of anyone having to have their stomach pumped 🙄

I'm a scouser so of course I have 🙂

It was absolutely brilliant. Like a massive warm glove enveloping you and then having really lucid dreams although awake, about the nicest I have ever felt. I've had it a few times but cocaine was always my drug. Deliberately didn't have heroin too much as didn't want to get too comfortable with it. Wish I'd made that decision with coke though which I hammered for well over a decade!

Every time I had heroin I threw up pretty violently the next day.

The 'badder' a drug is, the nicer the drug is. All drugs are fine in moderation, it's when you abuse them that they become problematic.

Garry - heroin is not a poison

yes its is possible to OD. You stop breathing as it supresses the breathing reflex. a shot of naran and you are right as rain.

Again as ernie says its the illegality of it that leads to variable purity and thus ODs

however A&E is full of people who have ODed on alcohol and there is no antidote for that. Alcohol ODs rarely kill - but do so sometimes.

I have an old and very dear friend who runs his own succesful business, has a lovely wife and three very well brought up kids and who also happens to be a smack addict.

He's a very together guy - much more so than I'll ever be. His life though is filled with the constant hassles of having to score - he has to deal with all kinds of unsavory types and runs the constant risk of getting arrested obviously, which would be utterly devestating for him as he seems to buy large amounts infrequently, rather than small amounts daily.

Yes he has a choice - he says he's self-medicating, and it's certainly true that he used to be [s]a bit of a miserable bugger[/s] very depressed before he started using and seems happy and well adjusted now.

Alice in chains would not have existed or combusted if it wasn't for their consumption of Heroin. That is a fact.

Heroin is a cXXt. It killed friends of mine, with their (my friends) help.

nb. I like their music.

Horses for courses
Ketamine is for horses....

Special K!

Done most drugs, but heroine is one I will never try. Ever.

Soon learn which drugs your mind/body can handle, and which it can't.

I grew up in Dundee, when I was in my mid-teens (80'S) Dundee had more HIV positive per head than anywhere in Scotland,because of needle sharing.So no, sod that.

Garry - heroin is not a poison

What's the definition of poison?

smoked it twice.

Once in Nottingham, but was very drunk, and by all accounts the quality wasn't great, so can't remember it being tbh

Once in Prague and it's fair to say it was incredible, best high I've ever had, everything was so blissful all of a sudden. never had it since, it's fair to say I was so taken by it I vowed never to have it again.

I've smoked it a number of times but not for about 10 years and now I'm a dad and have kids in the house it's a complete no no.

The effects are magnificent if the quality is good. I live fairly near a major port and the heroin coming in off the boats was clean and strong. Never injected though, for me that was a step too far.

I found the high from it totally eclipsed anything else I'd ever smoked, which was great but it also set alarm bells ringing in my head. Drifted away from the party scene and away from drugs per say a long time ago but do not regret experiencing those feelings for a second.

Can't comment on use / abuse of the drug, but I'm shocked at another band member succumbing to addiction - had a minutes frantic searching before I realised it was Mike Starr, not Inez, that had passed.
Dirt is the most affecting album I ever bought, around '93 - probably still listen to it 2 or 3 times a month, and, ironically, 'Junkhead' is my favourite ever song. Incredible backing to the music all the way through. RIP.

I think we have to be clear with some of the information on here.

yes its is possible to OD. You stop breathing as it supresses the breathing reflex. a shot of naran and you are right as rain.

Again as ernie says it's the illegality of it that leads to variable purity and thus ODs

People can't live well with heroin,no matter how "clean" it is. The William Burroughs argument is an old one. Read his books and look at his life and see how happy he was as a junkie.
If you inject you run the risk of infections, scaring and amputations. Also running out of veins so injecting in your feet groin etcetera. If you smoke it you get traces of sticky smack in your lungs. If you are a regular user you will walking a fine line of not rattling or being too numb to enjoy and appreciate life. You run the risk of arrest of house raids and are propping up a cruel aspect of the criminal world. It will be expensive and finding a stable balance is impossible.

Addiction to anything can leed to physiological disorders, family break ups, poor quiality of live and death. All rather sad just for a nice warm glow and a clean high, for a bit.

I've injected it once and smoked it once..
both times the high was surprisingly pleasant.. euphoric and a short but sweet release from life's worries..
For me the vomiting and headaches and depression that followed made me vow never to touch it again...
and I haven't..

It made me feel even more pitying of the friends I know that have become addicted to it.. their lives must have been pretty dire for a drug like heroin to become a crutch..

I've been to five funerals for friends that have died from heroin abuse.. and I know dozens more that have let heroin ruin their lives forever.. but I only know one or two people that have used it regularly and have managed to regain control of their lives afterwards..
It's a sad and nasty drug.. especially so in this country where the quality of life that goes hand in hand with it's use is so crushingly low..
I've been addicted to many drugs over the years but I really can't understand the defeatist attitude of becoming addicted to smack..

Had Diamorphine after the excision of my heart tumour. After a night of the most incredible and vivid 'night terrors' I asked to come off it. I'm not too good with a lack of control, but pain can be compartmentalised; the fear I couldn't. Plus the next day I was aggressive, rude and pig-headed...*
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* More so than normal.

Me twice, once willingly and once unwittingly.

Once it melted me into a sofa. I've always consciously avoided it because I was shit scared of its power and I know what I could be like - better the devil you know and all.

Second time someone passed me a joint at a party in Brighton and muttered something, which I later realised was "its horse" in a gruff southern mutter. The kitchen went quite wobbly and I looked at the bloke and said this isn't hash is it? But it was too late then. Didn't enjoy it but just got on with holding it together. T

Lost too many friends to care to be reminded. Its a stealer of life and cheats people of their friends and families. Only crack is worse for making people betray all else.

However a couple of old friends are in the rare category of being long term employed addicts who manage their addiction fastidiously. Its not ideal but they don't lie cheat steal rob mug and are genuinely nice people who other than their addiction live good and productive lives.

I worked with a guy who had been on heroin for about 20 years, he had got himself straightened out after his GP told him in no uncertain terms he was going to die. He had a prodigous weed habit though so not ruler straight. He was a nice guy but told me some hair raising stories.

Two people I know who have tried it both said the throwing up put them off.

I saw Christian F when quite young and the toilet scene put me off and frankly scared me silly.

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a good mate of mine.

You have to make a decision to get addicted to heroin and once you've chosen it doesn't let you go. We tried everything to help him but ultimately you cannot live someone else's life for them.

RIP Crag

the high was surprisingly pleasant.. euphoric and a short but sweet release from life's worries..

Like biking then? 😉

I used to live with a guy who'd tried everything* including heroin. He said 'meh, it wasn't THAT good'.

* or so he claimed. If everything he said was true he had an amazing life. Top bloke though so I didn't have any reason to doubt, but thinking back it seems remarkable 🙂

I have smoked quite a bit of opium. It started when I was living in a cave in India and got very sick. An old local guy visited me every day with a lump the size of my thumb which I had to eat. Blocked me up a treat and I had wonderful sleeps. I was so relaxed the cobra that slid by every day didn't bother me. When I was better I visited the old man and he gave me a sticky ball. That was it after then, I knew the potential thirst and had to end it.
Heroin use here in the UK has ruined many of my friends and families lives.

tried it a couple of times as part of a 'I'm going to try everything' stage, have to admit that it was a lovely feeling. Warm comfy feeling inside, no worries or problems, everybody should be on some kind of form of it and the world would be a better place type of feeling - a bit like e's really but without the gotta get up and move/dance/ hug and tell everyone that you love them affects. No worries what-so-ever, euphoric

Never tried it after that and I wouldnt again, can see how easily it is to get addicted as its such a nice feeling. Even throwing up on it was nice! Everything else I tried I still do from time to time (not speed or acid though cos I like my sleep too much and there are nicer alternatives), some more than others. E's were my drug of choice, had 1000's over the years. Only thing thats changed is that it tends to be at home now instead of in clubs......thats growing old for you! No regrets whatsoever.

My trail of thought is that your brain is there to be 'experimented' with, it has the ability to be altered (ocassionally) and its impressive how it can do it. To me its a 'waste' if you dont see what else your brain can do.

Would I recommend anyone to try heroine? Definitely not. I know I havent got an addictive personality thats why I can relax and do these things to my brain.

4 dead friends from heroine, not friends that 'experimented' with heroine with me all those years ago(was 20, now 40)

The anaethatist at my wifes third caesarean insisted on calling diamorphine heroin, but then the pair of them are weegies. My wife said it was great, like falling through the operating table.

theres some good stuff written about drug control and addiction/pathology etc here
http://www.nickdavies.net/category/drugs/

cant find the specific bit as blocked behind work firewall.

Like biking then?

I did not like it I felt more like I was seprated from the real world than on a high tbh - not eupohoric but some sort of soft marshmallowy detachment ...like you could have sawn my leg off and I would have impassively watched. It would not have affected me at all. Not what I would call high or blissful and I lost about 2/3 of the folk from my council estate to that drug so I was not that interested in repeating it. It was a foolish choice made one night when off my head after a rave

I like a nice book and a cup of tea.

Jeez - scary how many people on here have tried some serious drugs :-O

I have smoked a bit of pot and skunk in the past but never really 'got it'. I had a mushroom bomb once at a music festival (after drinking too much starting as soon as I woke up). All I remember from the entire day is jumping over people, dancing to James Brown and eating noodles.

I would never try coke or heroin. Ever.

"when I was living in a cave in India" brilliant 😀

Jeez - scary how many people on here have tried some serious drugs :-O

+ 1

I have drunk a fair bit of booze in the past but the idea of dabbling with drugs has never appealed. At least I know what I'm doing to myself with alcohol.

Jeez - scary how many people on here have tried some serious drugs :-O

Really? Without wishing to be rude I find that slightly naive.

Personally I have found the effects of alcohol and nicotine misuse to have had far more impact in my circle of family and friends than class A drugs.

How long does the high from heroin last?

I was given a it in A&E last week, i don't think it was for killing the pain but to ensure i didn't give a toss that I was sat on a trolley for 8 hours, whilst the A&E docs and the surgical teams argued who's job it was to deal with me as my infected wound was left untreated.

Nick

I've had two good mates die from heroin od,s one had been using a few years but the other one had only done it a handful of times, it was just the next progression in drugs after ket acid and pills, it shocked me and a lot ofgood mates into calming down a bit

I don't think it is naive at all given that this is predominantly a cycling forum. I know that not everybody who posts here is a clean living whippet thin racing snake but it is still surprising just how many people have tried very dangerous illegal drugs considering STWs target audience.

I live next door to an occasionally abusive heroine addict so I'm well aware of the problems drugs create. I would agree that alcohol and nicotene probably affect more peoples lives than drugs; for many people alcohol abuse is seen as acceptable, far more so than cocaine or heroine.

I was given an injection of morphine, don't know if it was diamorphine or not though when I was taken to A&E with a severely broken ankle. I remember going a bit mushy and forgot that my leg hurt - enough for me to let them move it around so it could be x-rayed. Hours passed like seconds then it was night time and I was staying in hospital. I asked for some more the next day but they wouldn't give it to me 🙁 I was downraded to codeine and paracetemol which when combined with alcohol and a spliff was pretty good 🙂

Kev

I smoked it once by mistake. wasn't great, but wasn't bad.

Also I smoked crack on purpose once to see what all the fuss was about.. I decided it's highly over rated, I was expecting more.

[i]I know that not everybody who posts here is a clean living whippet thin racing snake[/i]

yeh but some of us are whippet thin racing snakes just not clean living 🙂

Kev

I have drunk a fair bit of booze in the past but the idea of dabbling with drugs has never appealed

You are aware that alcohol is a drug ? Just a legal one - well here anyway.
I used to teach drugs education too kids and from a moral or medical viewpoint it is very difficult [impossible I gave up] to explain how booze and fags are legal but coke and pot are not given deaths and the danger.
Alcohol is also a factor in 75% of violent offences including doemstic abuse.

The Gov can keep tabs on booze and fags - and get a rather large amount of Tax from them...

The Gov would only legalise other drugs if they could control it - i.e. tax it.

Jeez - scary how many people on here have tried some serious drugs :-O

Really? Without wishing to be rude I find that slightly naive.

When you 'get bashed' regularly you're with other people doing the same thing so it's all normal and it seems everyone else does it all the time. Then as you go through life you realise the opposite is true and most people weren't off their tits 3 - 4 nights a week 🙂

I guess the opposite is the case from the perspective of those who didn't - nobody they hung out with got mashed so that was normal.

Saying that though I find it incredible how 'straight' a lot of people have lived their lives. Not necessarily a bad thing!

[i]The Gov would only legalise other drugs if they could control it - i.e. tax it.[/i]

they could tax it, it's changing the way third world farmers distribute the crops which needs to change, ie get them out of the hands of terrorist organisations. Political relationships with the countries involved needs a rewrite really.

Kev

Can I just say "Naran" is not a reversal for heroin, NARCAN (Nolxone) is. I'm sure it was a typo, but just encase anyone is looking/asking for the wrong thing. More info here: http://www.drugs.com/dosage/narcan.html

No never tried heroin.

Never, but I quite tempted now.

Was passed a spliff once which unknown to me had crack in it, wow! First and last time though.

yeh but some of us are whippet thin racing snakes just not clean living

And some of us are clean living, just not whippet thin racing snakes! 😛

Geniunely surprised at the number of people on here who have tried it. :s

I can't believe someone suggested that heroin could be used safely what a load of rubbish. I am also quite surprised at how mnay people on here have tried heroin and that certainly isn't my naivete. Stay away evil evil stuff.

[i]Stay away evil evil stuff[/i]

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yeah, it's nearly as addictive as sugar and fat.

Like anything, only becomes a problem when it's abused and it's why people choose to abuse themselves that needs looking at not the substance itself. It's been used in medicine since the dawn of history and we're all still here aren't we.

Kev

Nah never tried it, never will. 2 cousins and another 2 people i know died from it, and also seeing the state of junkies about glasgow, these 2 things aalways served as a warning to me to stay well away from it..Not that i'd condemn anyone for trying/using it, just never been for me, we all have our vices so who am i to critise, personally, weed, acid, speed, ecky in my younger days is all i was interesting in... these days, a few beers and a few joints will do every now and then.

Personally I'd legalise everything, it's not for me to tell anyone what they can and can't put into their body.

Yeah but the problem (in principle) with legalising everything is that people will start doing it, get addicted and then regret it.

So it'd be nice to help them not start, wouldn't it?

Personally if my kid wanted to take heroin I'd really want as many people to try to stop her as possible.

Unfortunately it's not the drug itself that is the problem, it's the lifestyle many people fall into having to try to get the stuff.

I've had mates die because of heroin - one held down a normal job and was on the stuff for years before he overdosed. Some of the cretins who used to sell him the stuff are the kind of people you don't want to mix with, but as long as it's driven underground and brushed under the carpet people will continue to die.

Prohibition never works, many humans have this seemingly inbuilt 'instinct' to get off their faces in various ways and it will always go on just as it always has. Until society realises that and has a way of accommodating it rather than ostracising drug abuse then nothing will change.

Yeah but the problem (in principle) with legalising everything is that people will start doing it, get addicted and then regret it.

We need to pick the lesser of two evils here Neither is a total Win situation.

Yeah but the problem (in principle) with legalising everything is that people will start doing it, get addicted and then regret it.

The problem with everything being illegal is that people start doing it, get addicted on alsorts of mixed crap and suffer worse consequences, then regret it. the illegality of drugs doesn't effect their availablity in the slightest only their quality.

There's many ways you could handle legalisation. from making sure the harder drugs are only available via certain outlets, possibly even the nhs etc...you'd have a sliding scale for how difficult it would be to obtain the drugs. with help available at the point of sale, something that isn't there right now.

Sorry but what is it that I am not getting here? Are people actually claiming that heroin, in itself, is okay. Nothing to worry about. Knock yourself out. It'll be fine. Just make sure you can afford the good shit.

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"Sorry but what is it that I am not getting here?"

Unfortunately, everything.

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