Both are under epigentic control. The research area is huge and not something I'm going to type out on my phone while in bed.
Sure, it's just that I wasn't sure that both would be in CpG context.
Yes, probably in a few wikis but none make it as clear as you do.
5plusn8 - Member
Poop. Fret not. I wasn't tryimg to upset or insult you either so if I did then that was wrong, so please accept my apology in return
No apology necessary bud,I was feeling a little thin skinned to be honest. I should definitely know better. More annoyed at myself than anything.
Lots going on at the moment and should have shown a bit more restraint and basically stayed away from the mobile. 🙂
Given me a lot to think on today actually. About the actual thread topic and my little storm in a tea cup. Will mull it over some more tomorrow no doubt.
If a close friend or family member told you that they had taken to worshipping the old gods, say the Greek or Norse pantheon. How would you react and would it, in your mind, differ from how you view somebody who follows one of the three larger modern faiths? If so, why, how is it different?
Just catching up with a bunch of pages from a few days ago, and this caught my eye. How would I react?
With total indifference; it’s none of my business, and as I believe I said earlier, I’m perfectly happy for anyone to believe in anything they want to believe in, just so long as they keep it to themselves and don’t get all evangelical and try to foist their belief on to me.
Now, if she started to make offerings to Shub-Niggurath and Cthulhu I might look a little askance at her choice of believe system...
perchypanther - Member
The first cockapoo didn't come from a cockapoo, it came from a poodle
....or a Spaniel?Weren't expecting that, were you?
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANIEL INQUISITION!
OUR CHIEF WEAPON IS SURPRISE...
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theocb - Member
Clouds are a miracle, you need to open your mind.. wind it back a few billion years and have a think about how that cloud you gazed at today was formed, you won't see another the same even if you live for 8000 billion and 70 years. That cloud came from nothing, like a nothingness no man can comprehend just like mazzers baby. Like I said your senses have been dulled.
I regularly see clouds that came from jet aircraft flying at high altitude, which spread into Cirrus clouds; nothing miraculous about that.
I’ve sat on a hillside watching clouds literally forming out of clear air; I can also see exactly the same process taking place on any given day when I breathe out and the ambient temperature is low enough for the moisture in my breath to condense out of otherwise clear air.
I can also point you in the direction of a cloud that hangs in exactly the same place, has a virtually unchanging form, and can be seen from miles away, just so long as the ambient temperature allows it to form.
It sits over Avonmouth, just to give you a hint.
There’s nothing miraculous about it, and it’s recognised as a legitimate cloud variety, similar to Pyrocumulous.
Thought I’d chuck this in, sums things up for me at any rate...
“I can believe things that are true and things that aren't true and I can believe things where nobody knows if they're true or not.
I can believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and the Beatles and Marilyn Monroe and Elvis and Mister Ed. Listen - I believe that people are perfectable, that knowledge is infinite, that the world is run by secret banking cartels and is visited by aliens on a regular basis, nice ones that look like wrinkled lemurs and bad ones who mutilate cattle and want our water and our women.
I believe that the future sucks and I believe that the future rocks and I believe that one day White Buffalo Woman is going to come back and kick everyone's ass. I believe that all men are just overgrown boys with deep problems communicating and that the decline in good sex in America is coincident with the decline in drive-in movie theaters from state to state.
I believe that all politicians are unprincipled crooks and I still believe that they are better than the alternative. I believe that California is going to sink into the sea when the big one comes, while Florida is going to dissolve into madness and alligators and toxic waste.
I believe that antibacterial soap is destroying our resistance to dirt and disease so that one day we'll all be wiped out by the common cold like martians in War of the Worlds.
I believe that the greatest poets of the last century were Edith Sitwell and Don Marquis, that jade is dried dragon sperm, and that thousands of years ago in a former life I was a one-armed Siberian shaman.
I believe that mankind's destiny lies in the stars. I believe that candy really did taste better when I was a kid, that it's aerodynamically impossible for a bumble bee to fly, that light is a wave and a particle, that there's a cat in a box somewhere who's alive and dead at the same time (although if they don't ever open the box to feed it it'll eventually just be two different kinds of dead), and that there are stars in the universe billions of years older than the universe itself.
I believe in a personal god who cares about me and worries and oversees everything I do. I believe in an impersonal god who set the universe in motion and went off to hang with her girlfriends and doesn't even know that I'm alive. I believe in an empty and godless universe of causal chaos, background noise, and sheer blind luck.
I believe that anyone who says sex is overrated just hasn't done it properly. I believe that anyone who claims to know what's going on will lie about the little things too.
I believe in absolute honesty and sensible social lies. I believe in a woman's right to choose, a baby's right to live, that while all human life is sacred there's nothing wrong with the death penalty if you can trust the legal system implicitly, and that no one but a moron would ever trust the legal system.
I believe that life is a game, that life is a cruel joke, and that life is what happens when you're alive and that you might as well lie back and enjoy it.”
? Neil Gaiman, American Gods
A fictional character reacting to CGI events in a movie. ..
jade is dried dragon sperm
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[url= http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/17/im-an-atheist-who-goes-to-church-heres-why-you-should-too-6909729/ ]Because he thought it was time for another religion thread. [/url]
Good link Woppit. I agree with his sentiment and I too have enjoyed sermons on occasion. But I don't think personally that I can get over the hump.
From the other closed thread:
They will never be happy UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IT AS WELL.
I've been on a lot of bike rides with various religious people and I can honestly say none have tried to covert me or even shown any animosity. I'm even someone's Godfather.
Hello trollgrips.
Drac spoilt the joke. I think he was bullied by the other [s]bouncers[/s] moderators.
I think the article is hateful.
Hateful as in filled with hate?
Drac spoilt the joke. I think he was bullied by the other bouncers moderators.
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So what you are saying is that they are very subtle about itI can honestly say none have tried to covert me
What did you have to agree to do openly when you were made a god parent- see i told you they were subtle https://churchofenglandchristenings.org/godparents/role-godparent/
Do you want the catholic one and what they have to pledge?
They will never be happy UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IT AS WELL.
Can't say that mirrors my experience growing up in Luton with friends of Christian (various denominations), Muslim, Sikh, Hindu OR Atheist persuasions. Everyone just accepted each others' right to individual beliefs and just cracked on with being good mates to each other. The Atheist ones didn't need to try and attack the beliefs of the religious either. Mind you this was pre-internet so the only way you'd get to use the kind of combative language used by some in this thread would be face to face. And you'd quite deservedly be chinned for being rude.
^ I'm interested to know at what point in this thread (which words?) would (in your opinion) warrant actual physical aggression?
Serious question.
And you'd quite deservedly be chinned for being rude
No they wouldn't. If you have to descend into violence just because you think someone is being rude you have no right to be out in public. My comments would be the same in person as they are on here.
What did you have to agree to do openly when you were made a god parent- see i told you they were subtle
Replying to comment on the other thread.
I'm interested to know at what point in this thread (which words?) would (in your opinion) warrant actual physical aggression?Serious question.
I'm not the kind of person who needs to get violent, but can well imagine a point where someone calling another's god a "made up sky fairy" being the trigger point. It's just rude and unnecessarily combative language. What's wrong with "I don't believe in God but respect that you do" without needing to demean their beliefs?
Nothing and you are correct. But there is precedent here - based on the topic in question
It was ever thus - hence most people of a certain persuasion do little more than dip into these threads
Still keeps people happy and the post count up!
*tags andyrm in*
You got this
But there is precedent here... It was ever thus
That's a piss poor excuse for the "sky fairy" stuff. It's really quite obvious it's meant to wind up those that believe in a god. Mikewsmith, for example, uses it to ridicule (and, I suspect, garner a few laughs) but you can find him shouting "Injustice, injustice!" whenever a racism thread pops up.
It's double standard central, this place. Such hypocrisy and lack of self awareness from what can appear, at times, to be a bunch of reasonably educated and balanced folk.
I guess we all have our foibles...
but can well imagine a point where someone calling another's god a "made up sky fairy" being the trigger point
do you really think someone is going to turn violent because someone calls their god a made up sky fairy? We don't live in the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
Teasel - tbc its not an excuse. On the contrary I find the "tolerance" of this stuff surprising but the mods are clear in their stance and the precedent well established. I agree with you.
Gotcha
You often hear of the complaint from religious people that they are "offended" by disparaging descriptions of their superstitions.
There have been many examples of violent reactions from religious types to descriptions they don't like.
Were I in the position to do so, I would simply say feel free to be as offensive as you like about my Atheism and see how upset I get.
Which us to say - not at all. You might have to put up with a condescending smirk, mind. ..
How timely
You often hear of the complaint from religious people that they are "offended" by disparaging descriptions of their superstitions.
Mostly, I think they are just bored by them. Sky fairy,imaginary friend, etc. Some were funny and even challenging originally, but now it's just a tiresome unoriginal repetition in attempts to provoke or get a laugh. It's all been heard before and does not add to the debate.
I think they are just bored by them. Sky fairy,imaginary friend, etc.
shouldn't believe in sky fairies then lol
Well to be fair, it's not as tedious as thousands of years of atheists having to put up with people talking about various types of "god" and "miracles" and so on, so I'd say you need to suck it up, even if payback is a bitch.
That's nearly the stupidest thing I've heard you say Woppit. If you are just looking for a rumble instead of a decent discussion you can **** off, frankly. You're not contributing, you're just being a dick.
Surreal. Almost as if he called his pint a poof!
How timely
That ad made me smile at the elephant in the room. And, blonde English-looking Jesus.
molgrips - Member
That's nearly the stupidest thing I've heard you say Woppit. If you are just looking for a rumble instead of a decent discussion you can **** off, frankly. You're not contributing, you're just being a dick.
Ooh.
from the big bang. what caused the big bang or what happened before is beyond me and other people at the moment but it would be an argument of ignorance to say a deity.
I knew you would get there pooh, well done. We can finally agree that those unique clouds have shared our miraculous journey.
Deity, mmm, it would depend on what description you are attaching to that word perhaps. A supernatural type of energy is the best we've come up with. These are just words defined by man and they will change as we understand more.
The agreed scientific theory points to a type of 'fairy in the sky' completely beyond mans thinking, beyond our science, beyond our religious teachings,beyond any words or definitions. Science has led us to the gateway of a miraculous supernatural beginning just as faith has done for thousands of years.
Great quote wotsit, very surprised you like that one though.."Not only is the universe queerer than we think, it's queerer than we can think..."
Wowzers, apart from creating the universe of course.. you don't want much do ya? (supernatural energies are rather difficult to explain, ask quantum physicists)So there's this god and it created stuff over which it has no control. Hardly a god of any sort, I'd say, and still no explanation of where it came from.
And so religion, thankfully, continues it's long drawn out death rattle as the gaps get narrower and fewer...
Or perhaps it's just the beginning of religion.
A supernatural type of energy is the best we've come up with.
Supernatural? What makes you say that?
from the big bang. what caused the big bang or what happened before is beyond me and other people at the moment but it would be an argument of ignorance to say a deity.
I knew you would get there pooh, well done. We can finally agree that those unique clouds have shared our miraculous journey.Deity, mmm, it would depend on what description you are attaching to that word perhaps. A supernatural type of energy is the best we've come up with. These are just words defined by man and they will change as we understand more.
The agreed scientific theory points to a type of 'fairy in the sky' completely beyond mans thinking, beyond our science, beyond our religious teachings,beyond any words or definitions. Science has led us to the gateway of a miraculous supernatural beginning just as faith has done for thousands of years.
I'm sure I said this earlier in the thread, but there are a few different hypotheses for what pre-Big Bang. None of the scientific ones involves a god.
Great quote wotsit, very surprised you like that one though..
It's one of the best quotes against the empty and desperately badly-formulated "explanation" such as yours, of a god, that I've come across.
They seem to be pretty similar to me!
Attributing it to a god then describing said god as 'ineffable' is about the same as saying 'it's queerer than we can know'.
The agreed scientific theory points to a type of 'fairy in the sky' completely beyond mans thinking, beyond our science
The agreed scientific theory points to a fairy in the sky being nonsense. No scientist worth his salt has ever said god is beyond our thinking and our science.
I knew you would get there pooh, well done
I'm assuming you mean me here. What did you get me on? I don't have an answer to what came before the big bang. I'm not going to make up some shit just to give you an answer.
supernatural energies are rather difficult to explain, ask quantum physicists
that's because there is no such thing as supernatural energies lol
which part of quantum mechanics is hard to explain for a quantum physicist.
The agreed [s]scientific[/s] [b]religious[/b] theory points to a type of 'fairy in the sky' completely beyond mans thinking, beyond our science, beyond our religious teachings,beyond any words or definitions.
FTFY.
Still waiting to hear your explanation as to where god came from, BTW.
No scientist worth his salt has ever said god is beyond our thinking and our science.
Except Stephen Jay Gould
Attributing it to a god then describing said god as 'ineffable' is about the same as saying 'it's queerer than we can know'.
Not at all and you are selectively misquoting, trollgrips.
The phrase is not "queerer than we can know", as you conveniently twist it. It's "not only queerer than we [i]think[/i], but queerer than we [i]can[/i] think".
The idea that there is a god is a thought, ergo it's inadequate.
What's left is scientific enquiry.
Simples.
CharlieMungus - MemberNo scientist worth his salt has ever said god is beyond our thinking and our science.Except Stephen Jay Gould
link to the quote
