[Closed] Another national myth punctured...

It was an amazing achievement. Hardly surprising some thought it was impossible and even less surprising they didn't tell the Argentinians they thought so.

What myth? I was very young at the time but seem to remember that there was some discussion over it.

What truth? That some people had differing thoughts about something?

Please - explain for those of us not quite as as sharp as you.

Yup. Confused about what this "national myth" was, and what subsequent "truth" too ?

Another [s]national myth punctured[/s] desperate troll posted...

I think I've missed something here, what's the story?

The story was that the 'Let's save those poor plucky british-as-Bognor-rock islanders from those hateful Argies!" rhetoric wasn't as sincere as they would've had you believe at the time.

There is isn't one - the disagreements in policy (including the mixed messages that we sent Argentina) were well covered in the Franks Report at the time.

That Margaret Thatcher didn't have a carriage clock?

This is news?!?

(Although, I'd be curious as to which cabinet members were happy to let Argentina have Las Malvinas)

I'm really not getting this, what was the myth? Or is this a thinly veiled Thatcher bashing from a disgruntled miner?

She sometimes, apparently, could not control her grief. Her former aide Harvey Thomas remembers her breaking down in tears backstage at a constituency event on receiving the news that HMS Sheffield had been hit with an Exocet missile. It took her 40 minutes to pull herself together.

There is isn't one - the disagreements in policy (including the mixed messages that we sent Argentina) were well covered in the Franks Report at the time.

I'm really not getting this, what was the myth? Or is this a thinly veiled Thatcher bashing from a disgruntled miner?

There was plenty of dissent at the time, and some of it very vocal. Bit of selective memory in operation based upon the mainstream press coverage I suspect.

I think he did Junky. When they didn't find any WMDs. 🙂

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DD - there was a pretty strong consensus building to arrange a leaseback scheme for the FI - there was considerable doubt about our commitment to the FI from government[u]S[/u] during that period.

There was plenty of dissent at the time, and some of it very vocal. Bit of selective memory in operation based upon the mainstream press coverage I suspect

The political spin of the day wouldnt let that get out at the time, we will probably get more details/truth (ish) in 30 years time about what the rest of the cabinet thought about Iraq and Blair, but by then we will have had other wars to further the political needs of those in power and it will be forgotten by the majority

OMG so my unshakable belief that every politician agrees with one another has been proven unfounded? Wtf are you on about OP...?

this surprised me tbh and I wonder if Blair did the same over Iraq ?

Junky, I'm not surprised in the slightest, she is an honest honourable person - even if you do not share her beliefs, I'm convinced she thought all her actions were the good of the country.

Bliar was just a self serving winker, much like the current bunch on both sides of the house.

I'll be honest I'm not edumacted or knowledgeable enough to know if thatcher was good or bad for Britain. There are many things she did that I do not like - whether the were right or not remains to be seen.

deadlydarcy - I'd be curious as to which cabinet members were happy to let Argentina have [s]Las Malvinas[/s] The Falkland Islands

DD find out

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/22_03_2013_2whips.pdf ]here[/url]

Las Malvinas

No such place exists.......

No such place exists.......

Always one (at least) 😉

Junky, I'm not surprised in the slightest, she is an honest honourable person - even if you do not share her beliefs, I'm convinced she thought all her actions were the good of the country.

Bliar was just a self serving winker, much like the current bunch on both sides of the house.

TBH I suspect that all politicians think this [ probably even GO thinks this] and i am sure Blair did [ ego if nothing else]
I suspect my view on Thacher can be guessed by most 😉

Las Malvinas

No such place exists.......

*thinks wistfully back to the days when TJ was around*

Mine wasn't thinly veiled at all, although I have no real opinion on thatcher as I was a little on the young side at the time (6 in '82), so didn't understand what was happening at all, I find it constantly surprising that it's still such big news.
Which I guess shows my not inconsiderable ignorance of recent British history...

[i]this surprised me tbh [/i]

While I bow to no one in my dislike of La Thatch, sending men to war and to death must be one of hardest decision anyone can make, on a human level, loss of life is an awful thing.

ohnohesback - Member

The story was that the 'Let's save those poor plucky british-as-Bognor-rock islanders from those hateful Argies!" rhetoric wasn't as sincere as they would've had you believe at the time.

I suspect you'll find that Margaret Thatcher was completely sincere, much to the relief of the islanders.

You've got to love Ken Clarke, though: "No no no, Prime MInister. Just blow up a few ships, that'll do it..." 😆

The story was that the 'Let's save those poor plucky british-as-Bognor-rock islanders from those hateful Argies!" rhetoric wasn't as sincere as they would've had you believe at the time.

I'd suggest that you do some reading to improve your terrible understanding of such things. However, that might get in the way of some really poor and unsupported trolling that you appear to delight in doing.

As you were. Carry on.

Have you tried Google?

If I started calling you "booblover", it wouldn't make it your name would it?
although it would be a pretty cool name.

i am sure Blair did

I doubt it. The evidence is mounting that he knew there were no WMD, any associations with "good" in the project are tenuous at least. In the case of he falklands it was an obvious sovereignty issue, along with a good sound financial/strategic reasoning to keep the place.

toys19 - Member

"this surprised me tbh and I wonder if Blair did the same over Iraq ?"

Junky, I'm not surprised in the slightest, [b]she is an honest honourable person[/b] - even if you do not share her beliefs, I'm convinced she thought all her actions were the good of the country.

Really?

Back to the early 1980s. Something eventually had to give. And, not surprisingly given the absurdity of the monetarist policies, the Thatcher government eventually folded. However, Mrs. Thatcher never admitted that she had been wrong. Instead she pretended that her government had never subscribed to the policy. Here is a wonderful interview with Thatcher taken from Curtis’ documentary where she flat out denies that she was ever an enthusiast of monetarist.

[url] http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/07/philip-pilkington-the-new-monetarism-part-i-the-british-experience.html [/url]

😀
If i stole your wife and called her Wendy it would not make her Wendy 😉

Tenous analogy day 😀
This has nowhere to go lets quit

Read it, and it hardly proves anything does it?

Yeah, good idea.
Having though about it, boobielover would be cooler than booblover. More of a ring to it.

toys19 - Member

this surprised me tbh and I wonder if Blair did the same over Iraq ?

Junky, I'm not surprised in the slightest, she is an honest honourable person - even if you do not share her beliefs, I'm convinced she thought all her actions were the good of the country.

Toys, out of interest, how old are you?

If I started calling you "booblover", it wouldn't make it your name would it?

Rusty, why? How old are you?

well if junkyard doesn't want that moniker can I have it?

Wow. Thanks for the link op.

I'm 44.

I'm trying to work out if you're trolling or not.

I thought that the 'unsent letter' was very revealing - no surprise that they made her tone it down!

toys19 - Member
Read it, and it hardly proves anything does it?

Despite her dishonesty you still think she was honest?

Also telling lies isn't very honourable is it?

I'm 44.

I'm trying to work out if you're trolling or not.

Rusty, same ballpark as you.
Trolling posting to gain attention. Its why we all post.
That is my honest opinion about her, like I said I might not like a lot of her policies, but I believe she felt she had the nations interest at heart, not hers.

Lifer your link does not prove she lied in any way, it proves that someone, who is not neutral by any stretch, disagrees with her assertion that she was never a monetarist.

I'm merely pointing out that she had the courage of her convictions, even if those convictions have been wrong.

edit: Whilst we are on analogies think of it like this - back in roman times people were put to death for their belief in god, which was admirable that they would give up their life rather than renounce what they thought was good and right. I admire them for that, despite utterly disagreeing with them, as I am a rabid Dawkins esque atheist.

Can you not disagree with Thatcher yet admire some facet of how she went about things, or does disagreeing for you mean total hatred of everything they do and say because they do not see things your way over such narrow points as economics?

Rusty, same ballpark as you.

Funny how two people of a similar age can seee things so differently.

I don't believe I've ever heard that woman speak a word of truth.