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There is no real defensible point in my opinion aracer. Nulabour don't like upsetting ideas or opinions being given any voice. The idea that they actually are concerned about public order and satisfaction is in my opinion nonsense. Whenever the wrong type of protest squeezes through the many newly invented hoops and over the appropriate hurdles, all they have to do is apply the strong arm of the law (a police force with no qualms about going on the offensive in these situations) and a compliant media to report the story back to front to an apathetic and brainwashed populace to discredit the idea and frighten the potential protestors out of going on the streets in the first place. They also this time have in their quiver a substantial quantity of clueless card carrying capital "L" liberals willing to support them for the feelgood factor, as opposed to genuine liberals who are naturally averse to censorship of ideas.
LOL at GG.
The epitomy of someone taking the internet too seriously.
LOL at GG.
Why thank you .......... you know, it's those special moments when one puts a smile on someone else's face, which makes life so worthwhile 🙂
spongebob - would you like to expand on this?
"The passive indiginous majority"
Is that the Picts? celtic tribes? Certainly not the anglo saxons or the normans as they are not indiginous to the area. What about the welsh? cornish?
You do know that the inhabitants of these isles are some of the most mixed peoples in the world. Successive generations of immigrants have moved in over thousands of years.
spongebob - would you like to expand on this?
"The passive indiginous majority"
I asked him the same question yesterday but he didn't seem to want to answer. I'm intrigued to find out what this phrase means exactly. I've heard it once or twice before from people with nationalist/racist views.
"Passive indigenous majority" is usually BNP speak for whites
But it's such an easy phrase to pick holes in that I can't believe that the BNP would choose to use it. Maybe they're just too dim to realise that indiginous doesn't mean Anglo Saxon.
[url= http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/kavanagh/article2263164.ece ]Extremism and Freedom of Speech[/url]
hey RubeBoy, I take it you also "pity" the Sun Newspaper and any others that you dont agree with?
Britain and the world has gone mad.
No such thing as freedom of speech....U will always upset some c**t.
I thought this rather clever, stolen from b3ta
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Nice rant from the sun there - trolling or are you stupid enough to believe it? a quick glance showed it to be a load of utter tripe.
Like it Flashy - its exactly the issue I have with "no platform for racists"
TandemJeremy, I guess I'm "stupid" enough to belive it, stupid
is there some sort of version of 'Godwin's Law' that you can invoke for people who use The Sun as an apparently reliable source to back their beliefs?
Funnily enough, my biggest exposure to fascist/xenophobic ideology has actually come through reading anti-fascist stuff, which has actually taken the time to dissect and analyse such vile filth, thus possibly giving it more publicity/exposure than it might receive on it's own.
Don't see a problem with opposing nasty, hateful views, actually. They are wrong, simple as that. A mental illness, in some cases, I'd say.
I don't see opposing facist/racist/xenophobic politics and ideology as opposing 'Free Speech', just opposing fear and hate.
being anti fascist is like being anti murder or violence of course it limits other peoples freedoms but what they want to do with the freedom is utterly unaceptable and we have to oppose them.
Our appeasement of islam appalls me. It only seems to get worse, cos the appeasers just ignore what's plain to see, and call anyone who doesn't like it a racist.
He can't show his film, and we ban him from the country, while allowing this on our streets:
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I, as many sensible people do, realise that the pictures shown above really represent a very small minority within the Muslim communtiy and insisting they are representative of Islam is the same as saying NIck Griffin and his chums are representative of all white people.
I do love this ironic one though,
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You say they're a very small minority, however muslims don't come forward to say so. You never see one on tv or hear one on the radio that has a good word to say about the west, promotes any kind of better understanding or integration. They're always about themselves, how we must change to accomodate them - without being prepared to shift 1 micron in our direction.
That Burger King ice cream looks a bit like Allahs name, you've insulted us, you must remove it immedaitely and appologise to us - which is pretty much what happened.
You say they're a very small minority, however muslims don't come forward to say so.
Of course they are a small minority. How large is the UK Muslim population? How large were the crowds that featured in your pictures?
If every Muslim was some nut who thought the west were all infidels why were the crowds so comparatively small?
Perhaps the Daily Wail isn't the best source for information if you wish field an argument that holds water.
Toowundred!
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He can't show his film,
But you can find it on You Tube. Just search Fitna 1/2.
Not banned at all.
Ha ha ha ha ha.......... someone has [u]actually[/u] posted a link to an article written by Trevor Kavanagh ! Yes. TREVOR ****ing KAVANAGH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha .......... what a joker !
No wait.
Trevor Kavanagh is a bit too highbrow for me. Have you got any links to any articles written by Richard Littlejohn ? I need something a little bit easier to read.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Oh dear............. I think I've wet myself........ Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
GG - The equivalent on another forum I frequent is linking to an article on the military written by Lewis Page.
Hello sooty - how's jim ?
Ha ha ha ha ...... oh dear...... I must calm down...... ha ha ha ........best laugh in ages ..... ha ha ha
I think your point makes no-sense sootyandjim. If 100s of thousands agree with the poster bearers, they're not all gonna be there are they?
That's like saying the only people that care about animal rights are the extremist few.
I love the way that any discussion about 'freedom of speech' invariably ends up with people coming on and banging on about the 'threat' from Islam...
Actually, Muslims do very often come forward to denounce the actions of a tiny extreme minority claiming to act in the name of Islam, but the media choose to often ignore this, because hate and fear sell newspapers, whilst rational, reasoned statements don't...
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/muslim-rally-organisers-tell-extremists-to-stay-away-466250.html ]Muslim reaction against extremists[/url]
When [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland ]David Copeland[/url] set off 3 bombs in London, which killed 3 people and injured over a hundred others, did the Black, Asian and Gay communities condemn the entire White population of Britain? No, because everyone recognised that he was a nut-case. Do the same communities lump all White folk in with extremist groups like the BNP, as mentioned above? No, because again, most free-thinking people see the BNP as extremists unrepresentative of the rest of the population.
FFS, come on, open your eyes, and start trying to think for yourself, instead of allowing yourself to be brainwashed by sensationalist journalism and those seeking to divide our communities.
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I think it's you who needs to open his eyes Rude boy. I've worked with muslims in Leics. The younger ones are very open about their attitudes towards us, and they're very much not what you're making out. You only have to open your eyes and see - it's not a matter of us poor simple minded deluded fools 'being brainwashed by sensational journalism' imo, who you who's blind to clear evidence.
Trevor Kavanagh is a bit too highbrow for me. Have you got any links to any articles written by Richard Littlejohn ?
LOL!
I think Gary Bushell is more my level!
I've worked with muslims in Leics. The younger ones are very open about their attitudes towards us
'Us'? Define 'us', please. And could you briefly describe the context of your interaction with these young people?
There's sort of an answer in there you know. The clue is in the word 'younger'.
I have friends who work with Asian youngsters. Quite a few of the silly little fools do jump on the extremist bandwagon, but most just see it as a laugh, and their way to have a pop at authority. There are issues with such groups, with negative attitudes, which many organisations are trying to address. But generally, most youngsters grow up to realise that the best way forward is to not be prejudiced, as they see that it is counter productive, and holds them back.
My eyes are open wide enough, my friend. 'Clear evidence'. Provide, please.
I'm a bit short-sighted, mind, hence my need to wear spectacles. I could do with a new pair, actually. These are getting a bit tatty.
Hello sooty - how's jim ?
Bit busy at the mo, keeping an eye of for all these dodgy Muslims that are all over the shop, apparently.
Right I think I've calm down a bit now - although my sides ache a little .....
Last week Argentina expelled a British subject because they didn't like what he had to say. Argentina knows a thing or two about the lack of freedom of expression, and what it is like to live under dictatorship. It is something which Argentines are determined will never happen again.
And yet, they weren't prepared to allow someone who denies the holocaust, to freely insult and offend jews. And quite right too - its the behaviour which I would expect from a fully democratic government which is committed to defending the democratic rights of [u]all[/u] it's citizens :
[url= http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=192&id=18258&t=Argentina+expels+Holocaust-denier+bishop ]Argentina expels Holocaust-denier bishop[/url]
As for those on here who keep posting pics of offensive posters held by some offensive muslims - what is the point you're trying to make ? Such posters are illegal, as indeed they should be. In fact the muslim community wants those responsible arrested and prosecuted, quote :
[i]"Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, of the Muslim Parliament of Britain, demanded action from the police. He said the demonstrators were "trying to incite others and to make criminal acts legitimate. The time has come to say enough is enough".
Inayat Bunglawala, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "It seems to us some of their slogans were designed to incite violence and even to incite murder. The Muslim community will have no sympathy whatsoever for these individuals."[/i]
Read about it here in your Daily Mail
[url= http://www.****/news/article-376254/British-Muslims-ask-Why-arrests.html ]British Muslims ask: Why no arrests?[/url]
So what's your problem ?
My mate had a black Chihauha called 'Sooty', years ago. I say Chihauha, but the thing was ****ing mutant. It was the size of a small dog.
Nice little thing, though. Very loving dog.
Where I work we have had a multi-faith worship centre for a number of years. At the moment a seperate muslim prayer building is being constructed, apparently because their faith prevents them using the existing multi-faith building. Now I confess to know very little of the faith, but it seems to send a pretty devisive message when all the other religions are happy to share the same building. It also strikes me that the more a group (any group) seperates themselves from mainstream society, the more distrusting mainstream society will become, which tends to make the group even more insular.
I've no idea what the solution is, but to suggest that there is absolutely no problem seems as naive as much of the anti-muslim hysteria.
GG, i'm surprised to see you use the Daily Mail to support an argument. 😯
IanMunro; have you actually asked any of the Muslim people why the multi-faith centre is unsuitable?
There could, possibly, be a reasonable explanation, you know.
Why is a "multi-faith centre" unsuitable for Muslims?
Anybody got a "reasonable" explaination?
Too small? Focal point of the room faces the wrong way? Who knows?
GG, i'm surprised .......
Well there you are, sodafarls - [i]isn't[/i] life full of surprises ?
I cannot believe the use of The Sun and Trevor Kavanagh to support an argument - and the chap who posted it seems to believe it. warra numptie. I do feel sad tho that someone should believe that nasty racist divisive claptrap. Still - they say there is one born every minute.
Nice to see there are some folk on here who can be bothered to rebut the claptrap. Steve - refering to "them and us" shines a light clearly on your lack of thought.
Anyone with half a brain can pick out the truth.
Extremists of any variety are foul. Racist both the overt and the unthinking ones are just stupid. several examples on here.
Well, I suppose a bigger "multi-faith centre" would be in order then..but it's the "multi" bit that seems to have been the problem from the above anecdote, size and aspect not being mentioned..
Bloody hell that Kavanagh piece is vicious. I find it mildly amazing, given that The Sun is one of the country's most widely-read newspapers, how basically decent, tolerant and well-informed virtually everyone I meet seems to be. It gives me a certain amount of hope.
I cannot believe the use of The Sun and Trevor Kavanagh to support an argument
I feel the same way about using the Daily mail, however,
isn't life full of surprises ?
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[i]There could, possibly, be a reasonable explanation, you know. [/i]
Rather depends on your definition of reasonable, I find most religous explanations pretty unreasonable 🙂 And the muslim colleagues I know are about as muslim as i'm christian when it comes to explantions on these matters, so aren't much help 🙂