[Closed] Another fine day for freedom of speech

You don't know the difference between a 'news report' and an 'opinion writer' sodafarls ?

LOL !

Why is a "multi-faith centre" unsuitable for Muslims?

Anybody got a "reasonable" explaination?

Why is a "multi-faith centre" unsuitable for Muslims?

Anybody got a "reasonable" explaination?

Could be used for other purposes, where food is served. Or maybe alcohol. The room isn't considered clean enough. Dunno. We don't have a lot of info to go on, tbh.

I find the huge increase in racially-motivated attacks on [i]all[/i] people, in the UK and Yerp as a whole, very disturbing indeed. There seems to be increasing fear and mistrust in our society, which is so sad, seeing as how Britain really was making such great progress on that front.

But people concern themselves more with this or that group getting priority, or preference, or some other such ultimately petty crap.

Seems to be a growth in intolerance towards 'others'. Be it 'Chavs', Pikeys, ****s, Darkies, Muslims, Jews, whatever; seems like more and more people want to see someone else as being inferior to themselves, in order that they can feel somehow better about their lot.

Like I say; Divide and Rule...

You don't know the difference between a 'news report' and an 'opinion writer' sodafarls ?

I do understand the emphasis on a reliable source, and consistency Gus 🙄

RudeBoy, I wouldn't get too bogged down in the 'multi-faith' debate. It would appear that muslims do not have a serious problem with sharing a multi-faith building with others :

[url= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3412244.ece ]“We think it is the first of its kind. It breaks with the tradition of having a shared space for each faith. It is all in the same building but each has a completely separate space. The Jewish space has a kosher kitchen exclusively for them to use. The Muslim space has an ablutions facility exclusively for them. The design of the building is to facilitate the feeling that they are in one building about faith.”[/url]

Could be used for other purposes, where food is served. Or maybe alcohol.

It's neither a canteen nor a bar. Stop supporting divisive social behavour!

"If the kids, are united, they will never, be divided!"

So the Daily Mail isn't a 'reliable source' sodafarls ?

Those quotes weren't 'real' and the Daily Mail is a well-known pro-Islamic paper ?

LOL !

No really .............. is this some sort of competition to make me laugh ?!!

Don't know, but Ed Husain's book, The Islamist, is an interesting read. IIRC, from his description of what he got up to as a young Hizb ut Tahir (sp?) activist, convincing those in charge that a "multi-faith" centre won't do for muslims and that they need to build a separate facility or there will be trouble is straight out of that play-book.

That does not of course mean that every time a muslim group objects to sharing a multi-faith centre with other religions we should see the sinister machinations of global terrorism. The point is simply that the way in which you might go about starting to polarise a community which may already be fairly insular and suspicious and radicalise it against other people and government is potentially obvious here.

It would appear that muslims do not have a serious problem with sharing a multi-faith building with others

I know that, GG! The only real requirements are that the place is clean, is not used for the preparation/serving of food, doesn't have images or icons within, and people are able to face the direction of Mecca.

As I said, we don't actually have any facts on this, so no point in speculating/forming ill-informed opinions.

It's neither a canteen nor a bar

I din't say it was. Merely suggested other users of the room might have used it in this manner.

There. I'm speculating now!!

BTW, GG; do you ever read yer emails?? 🙄

Don't know why I bother, I really don't...

Oh, and and area designated for Islamic prayer, should ideally have an area for people to perform their ritual ablutions. Dunno if the space mentioned has such facilities.

Anyway's up; it's trivial, really.

Good to see there are some very intelligent and well-thought out responses on here.

So the Daily Mail isn't a 'reliable source' sodafarls ?
LOL !

No really .............. is this some sort of competition to make me laugh ?!!

Well, each to their own you know...but it wouldn't be my first port of call. Just surprised that you felt the need to use it Gus, really just surprised, and dissapointed. Will you be doing so again when it suits, and accepting it's editorial when it doesn't?

and(sic) area designated for Islamic prayer, should ideally have an area for people to perform their ritual ablutions. Dunno if the space mentioned has such facilities.

Washing? what's wrong with the facilities everybody else uses? Seriously, I'm still waiting for

a reasonable explanation, you know.

Not being a fan of division, and divide and rule policies, I find this somewhat contradictory to "my beliefs".

Gus, really just surprised, and dissapointed. Will you be doing so again.......

Yes I will. I fully intend to post loads more links to Daily Mail articles in the future, and possibly even some from the Sun. So look out for my posts sodafarls.

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GG; do you ever read yer emails??

Why does everyone say that to me ? Well actually I did have a little peek at my emails yesterday, saw what appeared to be several thousand unopened ones, noticed most were from STWers and thought, "right, I need to read all those", found it all a bit scary, closed my emails, and got on with something else. I will have another peek when I have time though - I do intend to read (most of) them.

I find it mildly amazing, given that The Sun is one of the country's most widely-read newspapers, how basically decent, tolerant and well-informed virtually everyone I meet seems to be.

I even know some perfectly normal and well-adjusted DM readers 😯

Yes I will. I fully intend to post loads more links to Daily Mail articles in the future, and possibly even some from the Sun. So look out for my posts sodafarls.

To support your point of view or to illustrate stupidity? Or do you wish to have it both ways? 😕

consistency is all I ask.

Well in that case, it's your lucky day.

'Cause I've promised to do it again in the future.

Why the edit sodafarls ?

Why the edit sodafarls ?

Lack of preview window, spelling and rewording.It's not that exciting, really.

Why the lack of argument and the [b]attempt at diversion[/b] Gus? So you are going to reference the Daily Mail, but only when it suits? Hmmm...would you say the Daily mail is a reliable news source? I suppose you would, and recent evidence would suggest that to be the case. But when it contradicts what you would wish to believe would it be fair to say that you hold the Mail and the Sun in a certain distain? So why the inconsistency?

It's all my fault. I suggested GG's views were a bit Daily Mail and it seems he's now taken it upon himself to go and investigate said newspaper.

Give it a rest sodafarls - he was using the mail for its quotes from a series of muslim folk and myself I thought it a very good post - one of the better on this thread as it should satisfy the right winger in that it was not a guardian quote which is dismissed by right wingers, it shows a range of sources and it was funny that GG used the mail.

Mail reportage is not too bad - its the editorials that are badly slanted. Unlike many of the rightwing papers it still distiguishes a bit between the two

So you are going to reference the Daily Mail, but only when it suits?

No, not at all.

I will also be referring to the Daily Mail when it doesn't suit me.

Give it a rest sodafarls

Tell him to say "sorry" 🙁 first.

I'm sure you thought it a very good quote, as it supported your opinion. I await your support for other Daily Mail links in future, esp when they contradict what any sensible person may think.

You know, you're not doing yourself any favours over the long stretch flpping and a flopping over what is a reliable source.But I suppose you know that.

Tell him to say "sorry" first.

LOL ! I have on many previous occasions posted links to Daily Mail articles - obviously something which you haven't noticed before.

Now if it irritates and annoys you, and judging by your comments I get an incy wincy tiny bit of a hint that might have done, then I will certainly take that into consideration.

So, as I said before - look forward to plenty more links to Daily Mail articles from me !

I will also be referring to the Daily Mail [b]when it doesn't suit me[/b].

I seriously doubt it Gus. Why would you do that?

Now if it irritates and annoys you,

No, not at all. It [b]entertains[/b] me, "LOL!".

esp when they contradict what any sensible person may think.

This was the mail article with the series of quotes froom various prominent muslims?

You are the arbiter of "what any sensible person would think" I and many others I bet believe that GG has more sense in his little finger than you do. You are doing exactly what you accuse me of.

Please invoke hattersleys rule "when in a hole stop digging"

I seriously doubt it Gus. Why would you do that?

I don't know. Why would you ask me ?

various prominent muslims?

hmmm, "prominent" by what criteria? I'm sure you have the same respect for "prominent" Catholics who may have an opinion on say, abortion or birth control....

I and many others I bet believe that GG has more sense in his little finger than you do.

That's an "ad hominem" attack that is, something I and any rightminded person would see for what it is...how about you attempt to discredit what I have written, for example a criticism of the selective aquisition of source materials as and when it tends to suit an argument, rather than attempt to discredit me, who you have next to no knowledge of? But that may be a bit more difficult.

And strange as it may seem, I couldn't give a flying **** what you or others think of Gus. It's not about Gus, or his well meaning goofs. You can't really decide to use the Daily Mail to illustrate a point, esp regarding the activities of our Muslim Brethren, and then expect nobody to pick up on the ridiculousness of doing so.

I seriously doubt it Gus. Why would you do that?

I don't know. Why would you ask me ?

You are charlie flashheart! What's the prize?

You are charlie flashheart! What's the prize?

I'm afraid the prize was claimed a long time ago. Sorry.

I'm afraid the prize was claimed a long time ago. Sorry.

Well, thanks for letting me know.

Comfy chair, check. Nice bottle of wine, check. Anybody fancy a biccy?

Good to see this is still going.

Well done to all.

I reckon Gus has [b]less[/b] sense than my little finger.

Stick that up your arse TJ! 😥

I think the biggest thanks should go to sodafarls, Soup. Without his sterling effort, this thread might have died ages ago.

Just trying to think of a fitting reward for his efforts . . .

I think the biggest thanks should go to sodafarls, Soup. Without his sterling effort, this thread might have died ages ago.

Aye, he couldn't let it [i]lie[/i] ...

Just trying to think of a fitting reward for his efforts . . .

Oh, righteousness is it's own reward.

You can't really decide to use the Daily Mail to illustrate a point

Why not? The article seemed relevant?

What I don't get, is why there should be a problem with using a Daily Mail article, to help illustrate a point? Granted, it might not be the most 'balanced' paper around,but the article seemed quite straightforward, and presented facts, rather than opinion, so I fail to see why GG's use of it is in any way invalid.

Maybe Sodafarls can enlighten us all, as to which newspaper/sources are to be used/not used?

Turned up a bit late to the party tonight, didn't you?

Why not? The article seemed relevant?

Yeah, there have been a lot of "relevant" articles in the Daily Mail over the last few years regarding religious types. I'm glad you feel that it is a reliable source. I'll refer to your support in the future, just as entertainment, every time you wail about "Daily Mail readers".

I guess you just don't get it. There is a difference between using an article in the daily mail to illustrate idiocy, paranoia, hatred, and general little englanderism...but when out of it all someone decides to use a piece composed of quotes from self elected "prominent muslims" to support a ropey argument, well pardon me while I piss myself laughing.

Do you ever argue with yourself, when there's no-one else around to argue with? 😉

Night all!

Do you ever argue with yourself, when there's no-one else around to argue with? [:wink:]

Only when i'm wrong.