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They will get the same treatment if not worst because they are in dilemma now due to the working class supporting Brexit.
20%? more labour voters supported remain than Tory ones though
its definitely a dilemma but as support for brexit is falling, especially as the negotiations fall apart, thers still hope
Brexit was always an idea but no one at Vote Leave, Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Gove, Mogg, Patel ever explained how it would happen, what the process would be & what it would cost
May tried to embrace Brexit & its dragged her government to the brink of collapse
So who do you think can do a better job other than PM May? Suggestion please.
better than May...
this guy for a start
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Government is stable as far as I am concerned. Very stable.
Genuine LOL
Minority
Dropping Ministers
Massive internal division
Backstabbing, briefing against and infighting
It's stable compared to perhaps Italy but not anywhere resonable
The oppositions trying to bring down the government are just doing their jobs.
Nope this is suicide.
Show us your candidate(s) if you think there is anyone better than PM May?
kimbers - Member
wonder how this looks from abroad....http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/opinions/uk-leadership-vacuum-opinion-mcternan/index.html ...
Is that the McTernan whose advice has destroyed the Labour Party in 2 countries?
Show us your candidate(s) if you think there is anyone better than PM May?
My short list, plenty others would be more competent - The PM has a massive record of incompetence in office so it's not a surprise.
Corbyn
Stamer
Hammond
Cable
Davidson
mikewsmith - Member
Show us your candidate(s) if you think there is anyone better than PM May?
My short list, plenty others would be more competent - The PM has a massive record of incompetence in office so it's not a surprise.
Corbyn
Stamer
Hammond
Cable
Davidson
Usual suspects so no surprise there.
C'mon surely you have better candidates than the ones listed. Who?
all you asked for was better than May, that is the short list.
They would have been PM long time ago if they were better than PM May.mikewsmith - Member
all you asked for was better than May, that is the short list.
May needs to stand down if for no other reason than her own health.
Hammonds the only credible Tory alternative the rest are incompetent or egotists or both.
Corbyn just needs to keep his nose clean and he’s in.
wilburt - Member
May needs to stand down if for no other reason than her own health.
Hammonds the only credible Tory alternative the rest are incompetent or egotists or both.Corbyn just needs to keep his nose clean and he’s in.
Hammonds is good as MP but [u]cannot be PM[/u].
Corbyn will forever wait in the wings but it will be a step so close yet so far.
Like I said British people Do Not have the alternative.
The alternative will only appear after at least 10 years later, because they are not ready yet at the moment.
May needs to stand down if for no other reason than her own health.
Hammonds the only credible Tory alternative the rest are incompetent or egotists or both.Corbyn just needs to keep his nose clean and he’s in.
Can you imagine how much fun a Tory leadership election would be right now?
Genuine LOLs at Chewie.
Holding the line bravely, looks around "bugger, everyone's already surrendered".
Too busy fighting a lost battle to realise it is, well, lost.
Maybe a niche slot at the end of Fighting Talk doing a 30 second defend the indefensible every week, week in, week out. He could become a kind of cult figure, a General Melchett for the Brexies.
What a joke.
Do as I say not do as I do. Well until I get caught.
Genuine LOLs at Chewie
At least Chewy's nonsense comes without the sneering.
nonsense.....sneering.
QED. Brilliant self pawn!
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/british-cabinet-grips-fans-by-killing-off-a-character-every-week-20171109138856 ]The Mash - brilliant [/url]
😆
QED. Brilliant self pawn!
There he goes again - least self-aware person on the Internet.
Since I managed to get the killfile working, my forum experience has improved by 97%.
I'm thinking of organising an office sweepstake by putting the names of all the cabinet members into a hat. Boris or Damien next?
dannyh - MemberHolding the line bravely, looks around "bugger, everyone's already surrendered".
I was thinking more like a Japanese holdout on a wee island somewhere
[quote=PJM1974 ]Since I managed to get the killfile working, my forum experience has improved by 97%.
shame it doesnt work on iOS though.
At least Chewy's nonsense comes without the sneering.
If you don't like being sneered at, don't make yourself look ludicrous my defending totally indefensible positions.
I'll say one thing for Priti Patel, though, she sure can fake a smile!
That's what the oppositions want the people to think as usual.dannyh - Member
Holding the line bravely, looks around "bugger, everyone's already surrendered".
Too busy fighting a lost battle to realise it is, well, lost.Maybe a niche slot at the end of Fighting Talk doing a 30 second defend the indefensible every week, week in, week out. He could become a kind of cult figure, a General Melchett for the Brexies
We are leaving EU. That will not change.
They fought until their last man on one of the island.Northwind - Member
I was thinking more like a Japanese holdout on a wee island somewhere
Boris or Damien
itll be a curveball...
Hammond is secretly the Croydon Cat Killer
Innevitibly The Disfgraced Former defence Secretary Liam Fox will get caught up in some sort of dodgy dealings
(check out @Annaisaac on twitter Telegrapgh journo who was on the trade mission to Uganda with Patel & Fox- shes tweeing the script to an episode of the thick of it with DFDS Fox as Peter Manion MP
from torygraph via guardian)Ever the optimist, Dr Fox decided to do what we all do if we feel something has been lost on an aeroplane: he got up from his seat in business class and carried out a thorough sweep of all the rows. Perhaps she had boarded early and sat in a quiet corner, he reasoned. It is an image that will stay with me – Dr Fox hunting through the seats for his ministerial colleague as if she’s a missing Gameboy.Alas, no Ms Patel in sight, and the plane was about ready to leave. We all knew about Ms Patel’s inclination for misadventure abroad, but this took the biscuit.
Whats really interesting is that huge smug grin that Patel had when she'd just been fired, I reckon she has something on May, the Israel stuff weve been told is not the whole truth
Shouldn't engage but
We are leaving EU. That will not change.
The only certainties in life are death and taxes, everything else may happen or may not.
as I said, i can't believe she's that incompetent, and while yes, Hanlon, etc., in this case I iz suspicious. Of what i don't yet know but it's what i'd call a page turner.
chewkw - MemberThey fought until their last man on one of the island.
Correct, and that's merely daft. But the ones that refused to stop after the war- that's you that is.
Whats really interesting is that huge smug grin that Patel had when she'd just been fired, I reckon she has something on May
She has. Patel is a highly influential member of the European Research Group, chaired by Suella Fernandes and comprised of roughly eighty Tory Brexiteers. The ERG is very secretive, there's no list of members in the public domain and they even have their own whipping system.
[url= https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/european-research-group ]Conservative Home[/url]
Those eighty members have enough collective power to force a leadership challenge, you can bet that the conversation between May and Patel when along those lines.
You may not like my response but why didn't they let the last person standing? After all he (the Japanese) was the only person left. What could he do? Why were they (American) so afraid of the last person?Northwind - Member
Correct, and that's merely daft. But the ones that refused to stop after the war- that's you that is.
If you were the last person (with strong ideology) what would you do?
All this abuse of chewkw is blatant internet bullying and some of you should have a look at yourselves. I like his alternative views he brings, but if I didn't, I wouldn't be throwing this abuse at him.
We are leaving EU. That will not change.
Well, suppose if you keep looking backwards all you see are your own words.
+1 shameful but tolerated oddly
Just leave him alone.
If you were the last person (with strong ideology) what would you do?
Realise that the fact I was the last person left was for good reason, have a bit of reflection, give up graciously then get on with my life?
Just a suggestion - and actually meant helpfully if we can get past all the playground stuff (of which I am as guilty as any on here).
I don't want to see another thread descend into the mire, either use the killfile or ignore if a particular forum user is annoying.
Call me cynical but there seems to be a competition among the pro-brexit side of the cabinet to get themselves sacked and avoid the blame for the exit negotiations and any trade deal. In my book May's only virtue is that she has seen through this and aims to take them down with the ship.
OK.
Being wary of upsetting anyone by calling them out on nonsense they themselves spout............. 🙄
Anyone going to have a go at defending Bo Jo over this?
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/09/johnson-under-fresh-pressure-over-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-error-iranian-tv ]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/09/johnson-under-fresh-pressure-over-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-error-iranian-tv[/url]
Even if "BoJo" was being kicked to death by an unruly mob wielding bombers i have to be honest and say i'd prob shrug my shoulders and walk in the other direction.
Even the Brexiteers acknowledge that Boris is a disaster and would be a poor choice for PM.
I can only echo the sentiments about him expressed in this thread. He also seems to have great difficulty in keeping mini-Boris zipped up, not that makes any difference to his (in)ability to do his job.
He also seems to have great difficulty in keeping mini-Boris zipped up
I didn't realise he was Jacob Rees Mogg's direct superior.
Good to hear Giles Brandreth on the Jezza Vine earlier blaming Jezza for his seat loss in the 97 election 😆
Thats a Tory right there... blame someone else.
PJM1974 - Member
Even the Brexiteers acknowledge that Boris is a disaster and would be a poor choice for PM.
Thats the problem with appointing people to the cabinet because they are brexiteers to keep the balance
they arent promoted by ability, just their blind adherence to the cult of brexit:
Fox, Davis, Patel, Johnson, Leadsom! Mordanut? etc
saying that still bonkers that May became PM, despite her terrible record as home secretary that shes more than lived up to as PM
As per the EU referendum thread, we aren't completely unwilling passengers on the £250m Brexit bus heading over a cliff, we do wield power in that we can use our votes, or petition our representative in parliament to speak on our behalf.
One of the first things I did in the wake of the Referendum was to make a contribution to Gina Miller's Best for Britain movement. When it came to the GE, I researched all the candidates for their views on leaving the EU and I voted accordingly.
We all have a duty to petition our MPs, if enough of us respond via [url= https://www.theyworkforyou.com/ ]They Work For You[/url], then it will be easy to track which MPs respond to their constituents in a timely fashion. In short, don't let the bastards get away with anything without demanding openness, transparency and public scrutiny.
Anyone else think that replacing Disgraced Former International Development Secretary Priti Patel , who was sacked for lying.
With Penny Mordaunt who brazenly lied on national TV during the referendum is another brilliant move from Stong & Stable Theresa May?
Where is she going to find a Tory that doesn't lie?
I had to look her up, actually mildly interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt
This made me smile especially:
When receiving The Spectator magazine's Parliamentarian of the Year award in November 2014, Mordaunt revealed that she had delivered a speech in the House of Commons just before the Easter recess in 2013 on poultry welfare so as to use the word "cock", as a forfeit for a misdemeanour during Naval Reserve training.
Easter recess in 2013 on poultry welfare so as to use the word "cock", as a forfeit for a misdemeanour during Naval Reserve training.
oh great another Johnson!
Penny Mordaunt in.
The maybot has been ordered to attend Paul Dacre's party tonight. bet that'll be fun.
Bet she made a Splash as she entered MayBots office......
Bet she made a Splash as she entered MayBots office......
That statement really needs an [i]o[/i] & [i]r[/i] slipped in Fnarr...Fnarr 😆
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/11/boris-johnson-met-london-professor-linked-to-fbis-russia-investigation ]More lies [/url]
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41958392 ]High ranking copper confirms Damien Green accusations made[/url]
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Chop, chop, chop........
Shouldn't be long now.
It can’t just be coincidence that all this rot is being exposed.
Who is letting it out and what do they hope to achieve?
The Russians, our secret service or the papers?
I would have thought the Tory papers would want Johnson to be pm but he is getting smeared along with the rest of them.
The only scumbag staying off the radar is Jacob Cream Cracker. Surely they aren’t stupid enough to want him in “charge”?
And yet Keith Vaz is still there...
CaptainFlashheart - Member
And yet Keith Vaz is still there...POSTED 15 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Yep, Corbin's got a banker sacking lined up there. He's just got to keep things quiet and match the Tories sacking for sacking.
May's only loyal MP obviously an inconvenience for Murdoch
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So............
Maybot says that Children & families minister Nadhim Zahawi felt uncomfortable at the presidents club event so left early,
yet didnt report any of the sexual assaultshe just felt 'uncomfortable'?
As he has previously attended this event, its come as a surprise this time round?
also Michael Gove has just tweeted that hes an 'honourable guy'
<span style="color: #444444; background-color: #eeeeee;">also Michael Gove has just tweeted that hes an ‘honourable guy’</span>
Vote of confidence and loyalty from Gove means he is almost certainly marked for death.
Turning a blind eye to the depravity of the rich and well-connected is very much a prerequisite of any UK government.