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Quite, Labour lost a previously safe seat, right? In Cumbria?
Yep, Copeland- held on to it in the General Election, too
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copeland_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
So May only became aware on Friday that Patel met Netanyahu 3 months ago.
In not sure what percentage of this is underhandedness of Patel, incompetence of Johnson or just shambolic leadership from May.
@MichaelLCrick
Senior Conservative MP: "Boris is an f****** disgrace & if he had an ounce of integrity - which he doesn't - he'd have walked immediately."
11:36 AM - 7 Nov 2017
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41904161
no idea what the allegations against him were or if true
im sure lots of speculation to follow, either way sad for his family
Good thread on why Patel should be sacked & how extraordinary she hasn't been already
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/927856249269620736
As someone who used to work for FCO a thread on why ppl need to understand that Priti Patels "mistake" far far worse than Boris' "gaffe" /1
after coughing-gate, and the Lee Nelson / P45 incident May was 'one more gaffe' away from being out.
Since then we've had gropey ministers, Patel's foreign holiday and king-of-gaffe's intervention.
How many more is 'one more' exactly?
When has May not been in a crisis (of her own making) in the last 12 months ?
kimbers - Member
When has May not been in a crisis (of her own making) in the last 12 months ?
Give the poor woman a break. She's been far too busy trying to find the huge pile of paedophile documents that have gone missing.
Probably buried under all the Brexit studies.
Oh look, there's a royal baby... 🙂
Oh look, there's a royal baby... [/quoteDoes it have a (perfectly legal) offshore trust fund yet?
If the government collapsed can we call off Brexit?
Combine with Trump impeachment and all us snowflakes can move on from our 2016/17 existential crisis
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Oohh and No 10 admitted that Theresa May only found out about Patel wanting to funnel aid cash to the Israeli army..... From the BBC news, today
For the Welsh Assembly
Priorities.
Patel to be sacked tonight apparently.
Now, about Johnson
Now, about Johnson
Apparently being a complete piece of work is not enough to get sacked as a minister these days.
Now, about Johnson
or letting his Johnson wander
Times saying 2 more undisclosed meetings from Patel, telegraph saying she moved to earlier flight to avoid making commons statement
+ Tory MPs have 40 signatures reqd to oust May
Yep Patel held 2 more meetings with Israeli ministers without informing FO
Was she really running her own foreign policy, courting money for leadership bid?
Good job she's dealing with a close ally that would never plot to take down UK ministers. ..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/08/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-plotted-against-mps-set-up-political-groups-labour
Also did anyone see newsnight? bonkers Nadine Zahawi claiming that Patel & Johnson scandal all the fault of Labour Remoaners 😆
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/928039079186280448
I got all excited when a friend posted on FB 1/2hr ago the BloJo had gone... sadly that’s not the case..
Yet.
Patel's behaviour is so outrageous that it beggars belief. But I expect that some form of leadership challenge, even if it's not from her, will come sooner rather than later. If Boris decides to walk, then we can expect it before Christmas.
Patel's behaviour is so outrageous that it beggars belief.
Even with May's obvious lack of leadership skills and weak position Can't believe that
A/ Patel thought she'd get away with it
B/ that it's taken this long and she's still not been fired
There's so much movement and indecision in the political groups its no wonder we are in the mess we are. We have no substantial leadership and even the monarchy is dabbling in tax avoidance.
The head has literally fallen off the Lion, and the ones suffering are the everyday people and business who are doing their best to survive in the uncertainty of direction and leadership.
What we need is someone to step up and lead for the benefit of the country and the people that we can believe in, with no moral or political desire other than our mutual success. But where the hell would you find a person like that - certainly not in any of the current political parties.
Will Patel be sacked from her position in the Israeli government too?
😆
Ahh, its all just a hilarious bouncy castle innit.
I'll be surprised if Patel gets more than a slap on the wrist. She's highly influential in the European Research Group as a rabid Brexiteer. Currently, they ERG seems to hold the leadership by the short and curlies, with about eighty MPs on the right of the party who collectively have enough signatures to undersign a letter to the 1922 Committee to trigger a leadership challenge.
I'm not saying that Patel won't be fired, but I'll be surprised if she is. I'd be the first to celebrate not seeing her smirking face in the cabinet anymore.
JC (not that JC, jewish chronicle)
reporting that May did know about some of Patels meetings & No10 was lying when it said it didnt
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/no-10-knew-about-priti-patel-israel-meetings-1.447605
cant decide if this belongs in the should TM resign thread?
Meanwhile Johnson is in Washington for talks about the Iran nuclear deal/ sanctions, thats bound to go well !
BJ and PP are very lucky that Fallon went at the weekend. Binning another or even two more cabinet ministers would surely make Mays government even more of a joke. It may be the only thing saving them. They’ll be hoping another colleague comes along with another episode of incompetence.
I’d like to think we deserve better but I’m not sure we do
Kryton57 - MemberThe head has literally fallen off the Lion, and the ones suffering are the everyday people and business who are doing their best to survive in the uncertainty of direction and leadership.
Agreed. In any reasonable world BJ and PP should be gone, but we are in such a cluster fiddlesticks of a situation, I'm not sure. Somehow the tories need to rapidly assert themselves and show some cohesion or brexit will have no chance of a positive outcome
Posted previously it this sure as hell feels like good old Major and his back to basics moment, where is Mellor is his chelski shirt?
Ferrals - i can't see any possibility of a positive outcome on Brexit.
Brexit was never about a positive outcome. It was about the hard-right of the party inflicting major shocks to the economy in the name of the "will of the people" as the ultimate get out of jail free card, with a view to restructuring the economy and the associated pain, but without shouldering any of the blame for the inevitable pain.
They also want to hack and slash the EU employment protection policies too. They know that it's going to be unpopular and that there is no long-term viability of a maintaining a stranglehold of the hard-right on the Conservative Party.
I hope that everyone here remembers this before putting an X on their ballot papers in future.
Given the Jewish Chronicle story (which seems reasonably sourced), I now cannot work out who exactly is stitching up who. So we just make the assumption that all of them are trying to do it.
So Priti Patel is sanctioned by May to chat to various Israelis, but told not to tell the FCO (and Johnson) about the extent of it? But is now chucked under the bus when it becomes clear she has 'overstepped the mark' and gone touring around military hospitals in breach of usual protocol?
So was May using Patel to bypass Boris in Israeli comms (because he's a buffoon)? But too scared of Boris to admit her involvement once the lack of FCO advice caused a major cock-up?
Confusing! But symptomatic of the day-to-day mayhem of this government.
Now that disgraced former international development secretary Patel has flown back to face the music, she's left Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox on his own setting up trade deals in Uganda, a country that ranks in worst 10 % on corruption index, with his reputation, what could possibly go wrong? https://t.co/7nQPrS7yiF
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The least worst outcome of all this is a general election in the new year and a change of government. There's open warfare in the governing party, which will consign them to opposition for a very long time. The intrinsic loyalty of Conservative MPs to their various factions overrules any obligation to party and country (in that order).
Meanwhile, Labour are sitting back, munching the popcorn and watching a party which spent millions of pounds of donor's money over thirteen years as it underwent a detoxification project that has would appear to have spectacularly failed, as the party haemorrhages cash and party members. They cannot recruit enough activists to fight an election on the ground.
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Something tells me they have run out of red shirts
The least worst outcome of all this is a general election in the new year and a change of government.
At the precise moment when almost the entire focus of the government should be on the pivotal moments of the Brexit negotation.
Labour will not want to come in to carry the can at that moment, unless the polls suggest they could perform well on a 'scrap Brexit' platform, which I doubt will be the case.
Labour will not want to come in to carry the can at that moment, unless the polls suggest they could perform well on a 'scrap Brexit' platform, which I doubt will be the case.
given the way the papers have been covering the disaster so far I think a call it off idea might float. The true believers ( like trumps 35%) are a small part who will never have their minds changed. A series of high profile tory/brexie executions might just quell the mob.
Labour will not want to come in to carry the can at that moment, unless the polls suggest they could perform well on a 'scrap Brexit' platform, which I doubt will be the case.
70% of Labour supporters are Remainers (*waves*), Keir Starmer certainly seems to be the only grown up in the Brexit playground, but I agree that the party would prefer to let the Conservatives self-immolate over Brexit before they alienate party members in the ex-industrialised areas of the UK who are rabidly pro-Brexit.
Perhaps the best way forward is for those assessments of the social and economic impact of Brexit to be released, unredacted with the names of the Tory Brexiteers who commissioned them on the cover.
I think a call it off idea might float.
Only in an unflushable sense. It would win them plenty of votes in unwinnable seats (such as mine), and lose them even more in their core constituencies.
It really hasn't sunk into the Labour heartlands what an absolute shitshow the whole thing is going to be - there is still clamour for politicians to just get on with it.
given the way the papers have been covering the disaster so far
Not really sensing an anti-brexit swing in the Sun, Mail and Express as yet...
Not really sensing an anti-brexit swing in the Sun, Mail and Express as yet...
nope but a hell of a lot of ignoring, everyone else is covering another screw up and they are off on something random
frankconway - MemberFerrals - i can't see any possibility of a positive outcome on Brexit.
nor me, i should have said least disasterous!
If we have a GE in the new year I imagine Brexit will pretty much be derailled anyway, or at least, it wont be feasible on the currnet timetable. If not feasible on the programmed timetable what option is there but to reverse the decision?
anyway funny conversation with my mother this week back in the UK, they are coming over to visit and terrified that the nasty JC will make universities free like they were when I was there....
Asked about the exchange rate and I said it depends who's government collapses first, never thought I'd say that
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-08/coalition-members-ponder-early-election/9128122?section=politics
Not really sensing an anti-brexit swing in the Sun, Mail and Express as yet...
The Express is for sale, likely to be bought by the Trinity Mirror Group. One suspects that the editorial stance might shift, if only to reduce the number of headlines about apocalyptic weather (the paper is run by a climate change sceptic!) and bloody Diana (RIP).
The Mail appears to be on the verge of red-faced spontaneous combustion at any moment, bizarrely the Sunday Heil is pro-remain.
Nahid Zahawi claiming that Johnson & Patel crisis as Brexit big beasts are just plots by labour remoaners, ironically says much more about the competence & intelligence of these Brexiters!
Winner of the public might agree with that