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I assume its verbatim but I am guessing
Agreed it all sounds plausible until that text which is at best strange and definitely in the creepy category and absolutely inappropriate
That he can wield this sort of power is not goodMurdoch obviously wants rid of May
i dont like tories but they are a long way above the pond life that he is
Whist I accept the court case decided he knew nothing about phone tapping i was surprised by this and my ill informed opinion was that he is just better at covering his tracks than politicians are
Presumably, though, there isn't actually a penalty for the higher-ups here. I mean, [u]Sir[/u] Michael Fallon remains a 'sir', right?
So he 'retires from politics' back to some massive mansion somewhere and 'earns' a living with a series of things like non-exec directorships, 'consultancy' roles involving him being an 'in' to the defence ministry for various interests and the odd speaking engagement.
Doesn't sound too bad and he still gets to monetise the role he has been forced to resign from.
In some lobbying circles he will probably find his serial groping makes him one of the lads and more trustworthy for them.
Makes me want to vomit.
^ Is it not just that he has resigned as a minister but it still the MP for his constituency?
Amber Rudd on Marr now discussing this, she a has a certain little Britain esque quality when she speaks, most insincere.
yourguitarhero - Member
^ Is it not just that he has resigned as a minister but it still the MP for his constituency?POSTED 3 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
I think so. In any case, there is no real penalty for these people is there?
Power and influence are really what they trade in, marry that to greed from companies and individuals who want an 'in' to increase their wealth and it is inevitable that the system stinks.
Who is going to carry more weight with someone who is only interested in money and power? A lobby group funded by charity aiming to improve the lot of ordinary people or a lobby group funded by, for example, arms manufacturers who can dole out non-exec directorships paying hundreds of thousands of pounds a year for about ten hours 'work'? Pretty obvious. Even better when that 'work' entails taking out a couple of old mates from the ministry for a slap up lunch and fine wines, get them pissed and make it clear other non-exec consultancy roles will be available when the time is right (assuming they look after the right interests now).
danny, if you are in his constituency you can start a petition for removal - laws passed to make this happen if you have enough signatures, the standards committee can also examine what he has done and remove him.
Do you need a trial to deal with someone putting their hand on a woman's knee? Or even attempting a kiss (but failing)? It seems to me that firing them (if they don't resign) is an appropriate reaction. They both fall below the line at which inappropriate behaviour (fire them) becomes sexual assault (arrest them).
The DM journalist made the point that most MPs were capable of having a drink with her and behaving appropriately. I assume she's interviewed a lot so we're looking at a tiny minority of sex pests. That minority needs calling out, but I don't see the need for every case to go to court. "Innocent until judged guilty" is an unrealistically high level of proof when we're talking about normes of behaviour, so taking victims seriously and acting on their complaints is essential even if there is no guilty verdict in a court of law.
"Inappropriate behaviour" might not make you guilty of a crime but certainly does make you unsuitable for work in some fields - especially politics. Being kicked out is perhaps punishment enough for some of these politicians - I'll leave it to prosecutors to decide which.
We all know what to do if political parties refuse to act on plausible multiple complaints - vote for someone else.
Do you need a trial to deal with someone putting their hand on a woman's knee? Or even attempting a kiss (but failing)? It seems to me that firing them (if they don't resign) is an appropriate reaction. They both fall below the line at which inappropriate behaviour (fire them) becomes sexual assault (arrest them).
Problem is he has 2 jobs, 1 as a cabinet minister secondly as an MP - people are suggesting he should be out of both - the reason he was fired as a cabinet minister was he couldn't say there wasn't going to be more come out.
His statements (along with a few others) have been really telling - they didn't realise (still don't) that they were inappropriate or worse, somebody has explained it to them.
You can start an on-line petition to get him removed and write to the Commons' disciplinary committee, Mike. Failing that you have to wait for the next elections.
Yep, got all that, was just pointing out the 2 levels of being fired.
The fact he remains an MP being paid by the public is not something people are happy about.
Personally I think if you are unfit for public office[cabinet] then you are unfit for public office[ MP]
It might vary depending on issue but this is personal conduct and I dont think you would just get "demoted" in other pubic services for this behaviour.
other pubic services
Best typo ever!
It all comes back to power and how wield it, though.
I had the misfortune to end up talking briefly last night to someone who is a high-up in the masons. It is difficult for me to think of anyone else I know who can be so arrogant and dismissive of those 'lower-down' whilst being so obsequious to those 'above'. I suspect his connections may well have helped his career (retired long ago) as I can't imagine him being anything more than mediocre in an executive role.
I don't know this bloke particularly well (father in law of one of my friends), but I've never liked him and his overly cocksure manner.
Danny perhaps he might follow Hoon’s example?
http://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-and-whip-chris-pincher-resigns-from-government-11115753
Another one in trouble
Voluntarily referred himself to police
When's the first by-elections?
I wonder if Ruth (the Mooth) Davidson will be asking the same question.When's the first by-elections?
There won't be any bye elections. these guys will still be MPs
Even from jail?
Even from jail IIRC. Won't be able to vote from jail
Fantastic, let them all hand themselves in.. it’s about time.
They’re all down the..
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tjagain - Member
Even from jail IIRC. Won't be able to vote from jail
Prison means resigning as an MP - I think a few will get as far as criminal charges and then resign.
This now becomes a cross party issue for the parliamentary standards committee who should be examining these claims.
It’s getting hard to distinguish between reality and parody
[quote=rene59 ]Even from jail?
if they get sent down for more than one year they cannot be an MP
I think most would actually resign - did some MP not do time over the Poll tax via non payment ?
I'm amazed.
For the last several years we have had govt policies that are killing off our poor and vulnerable in large numbers, but barely a hint of outrage from our middle classes.
Sleazy MP touches a knee, and it all goes ballistic.
However at least it's a start. Any MP who cannot control predatory sexual urges* is not fit to be trusted because he is now a potential blackmail target.
So can we now have some outrage over the Austerity Genocide?
*I'm not aware of any female MPs acting in a predatory manner.
I don't disagree, however the situation you are railing against is difficult to act on because it's collective policy decisions - who's actually to blame apart from all of them.
I see it as a 'bit' like the Al Capone situation (not making light of the abuse of power / sexual politics) - but this is something that can be used individually against the sleazebags and get results. So rather than be disappointed that we can't get them for policies, rejoice that we can at least get them for something.
theotherjonv - Member
...rejoice that we can at least get them for something.
Oh I am. 🙂
At any other time Patel would proabbly be in a lot more hot water
but westminster is such a clusterfuk of incompetence right now that it barely registers
@BBCJLandale
Breaking: BBC told that @patel4witham met Israeli Prime Minister Benjaming @netanyahu while on holiday to Israel without telling FCO
1:39 PM - Nov 6, 2017
https://twitter.com/BBCJLandale/status/927530987638214656
And lied about telling the Press that they’d cleared it with BloJo, when in fact he knew nothing about it.
I’m loving the recriminations and accusations targeted at MPs and People holding High Office.
There are people way more motivated than me to interrogate and probe into the real truths, so I’m going to let them publish their findings without me making any accusations of my own.
But Boy, these recent revelations are both damming and hilarious and I’m loving it.
And lied about telling the Press that they’d cleared it with BloJo, when in fact he knew nothing about it.
tbf borris is clueless about most things, so I can see how she thought she'd get away with that one
Breaking: BBC told that @patel4witham met Israeli Prime Minister Benjaming @netanyahu while on holiday to Israel without telling FCO
yes, but did she try to touch him up, surely that is the issue we are concerned with at the moment ?
or he/her?
I have a question- these MPs are resigning, being sacked and/or suspended, but as far as I can tell this is only from ministerial positions that they held. Are any of them actually no longer an MP? Or does that happen later?
The reason why I'm asking is that it looks like there are 8 Tory and 4 Labour MPs facing investigation for sexual misconduct, and if they all go then it could make a difference to the balance of power in the House of Commons, couldn't it?
for some reason the chutzpah of PP really jars on this one.
She's claiming she was on a family holiday, and just happened to arrange 12 business meetings with top-ranking government officials.
THAT'S NOT WHAT A HOLIDAY IS, YOU NUGGET
my god
I thought it was tax dodging?
The reason why I'm asking is that it looks like there are 8 Tory and 4 Labour MPs facing investigation for sexual misconduct, and if they all go then it could make a difference to the balance of power in the House of Commons, couldn't it?
It could, but then it could also make no difference as the tory could just be replaced with another tory (presumably a less touchy/feely one) at the by election. Depends how marginal the seats are really.
I wonder if she was busted when little Jimmy handed his homework:
WHAT I DID ON MY HOLIDAYS
we went to Israle and we Met mr netinyahoo and he was quite nice. Then we met the man with the army and he had lots of biscuits and mummy said don't tell Borris
the end
Patel has been caught telling blatant lies and her excuse about a "lack of precision in my wording" is utter bobbins. Hope she can provide receipts for her holiday as it will be interesting to see who paid for the trip. Don't expect any further action against her as it was a visit to Israel - would have been different if it had been any other country.
Plenty of questions for Patel
did Lord Polak arrange her 12 meetings, including with Netanyahu for her before or after she booked her holidays?
Did he also book his holidays to coincide with hers before or after arranging them?
Shes got receipts to show she paid for this all herself, right?
(shes not that stupid, she knew what she was doing was against the rules, hence why she has repeatedly lied about the nature, number & when she notifiied Joghnsons & the FO)
Depends how marginal the seats are really.
Good point! I'd love to know. The Tories doesn't seem to be any more popular now than June 8th, and possibly even less so, and Labour are definitely benefitting from not being in government right now and therefore not having to take the blame for all the general bun-fightery that's going on so it could be quite interesting times!!
SO Johnsons accidently gets a political prisoners sentence doubled
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41890885
wtf?
Kimbers - the sentence has not been revised, yet.
Shermer - they will be independents until suspension lifted or they are expelled; guaranteed that they will be totally compliant with party wishes while suspended - and afterwards, if suspension lifted.
Had a look through the list, and it looks like the most likely seat to change is held by Tory MP Steven Crabb, with a slim majority of 314, although he hasn't been suspended. Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has been suspended pending a police investigation but has a majority of 6,437 (which I'm guessing is fairly comfortable?)
On the Labour side is Jared O’Mara, with a majority of 2,125. He is also suspended, and if he goes there's a good chance it'll go back to the Lib Dems (it's Nick Clegg's old seat)
All the others have a comfortable majority (6,000+). There may well be more to come though!!
Thanks Frank! Good point!
Although Charlie Elphicke (Tory) is facing a police investigation, so that might be a by-election
By-elections usually have lower turnouts, would it be a case of voter fatigue too?
bigger swings might not be surprising, last election saw several safe seats become marginal