Public beheading is a traditional Sunni form of execution. Our friends the Saudis do it, as did our other friends the Afghan mujaheddin. I guess putting it on youtube is what made Foley's execution "public".Our friends and close allies the Saudis (who back ISIS) about to carry out a public beheading :
Bit of a difference between a slice to the back of the head using a sword and hacking at someones throat. One takes about 3 seconds until total brain death, the other one includes a lot more suffering and IMO is more personal for the killer.
It still doesn't make it right, but cynically undermining someones horror to a beheading by using the Saudis as an example is somewhat dishonest.
I could explain how the arms trade has links to international paedophile rings involving MPs
What's that got to do with James Foley's execution ?
but you probably wouldn't believe me...
Are you seriously suggesting that you only post stuff which you expect people to believe ?
However, the last time I checked the ROE of British soldiers didn't include beheading journos.
Does it include murdering an unarmed, wounded POW?
Does it include murdering an unarmed, wounded POW?
Nope. Those would be the actions of an insubordinate individual.
Bit of a difference between a slice to the back of the head using a sword and hacking at someones throat. One takes about 3 seconds until total brain death, the other one includes a lot more suffering and IMO is more personal for the killer.
Yes the Saudis prefer to use a sharper instrument.
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It still doesn't make it right, but cynically undermining someones horror to a beheading by using the Saudis as an example is somewhat dishonest.
What the hell are you talking about "cynically undermining someones horror" ?
I pointed out that public beheading is a traditional Sunni form of execution. I also pointed out that people we consider "our friends and allies" carry out public beheadings. You pointed out that they use sharper instruments.
Where am I "cynically undermining someones horror" ffs ?
What's that got to do with James Foley's execution ?
Well, if you think about it, if it wasn't for the extremely profitable arms trade, there wouldn't have been the prior wars that led to the current state of affairs, so James Foley wouldn't have been reporting on the situation and the bloke who chopped his head off would probably be living a relaxed and worthwhile life, rather than being motivated to do bad things...
It's like the butterfly effect, but with $Billions, guns, missiles and oil, peppered with a bit of child trafficking as bait to feed perversions for blackmail.
Making history can be a very dirty business for the fat cats...
Nope. Those would be the actions of an insubordinate individual.
What about all the other deaths of innocent peope in Iraq and Afganistan, at the hands of British troops?
Or is that just 'collateral damage'?
See how easy it i to 'justify' the actions of those whom you may beleive to be on the side of 'right'?
We had no choice other than to enter Afghanistan, but if you want to play whatabouterry - what about all those people who would have died under the continued rule of Saddam Hussein.
Can you prove we killed more civilians than he would have done?
At the same time you're also justifying these actions by using UK/US actions as an excuse, which again, I find dishonest. I'm a pretty cynical individual but I'm not cynical enough to place British soldiers and Western secularism on the same level as rampant religious fundamentalism and 100% undiluted terrorism.
Yunki - yes I have seen the video you are in about. Also watched this terrible video.... Pretty much seen all the videos mentioned on here too. Horrible beyond belief but I guess in a weird way I have become desensitised to the violence and horror portrayed. Thing is I reckon we are actually in a better place than we ever have been however media exposure is greater than its ever been too. Therefore we as westerners are getting exposed to more and more go pro format footage of war and the total crap that goes along with it. There is a shit storm coming..... Just hope we don't ride the wave.
We had no choice other than to enter Afghanistan
'No choice'. Really??!? 😯
but if you want to play whatabouterry
Bengal Famine. Dresden. Boer War. Oh, and 'we' (allegedly) gassed Kurds long before Saddam did.
At the same time you're also justifying these actions by using UK/US actions as an excuse
Bollocks. I'm not justifying anything. That's something you've mae up.
Yunki - yes I have seen the video you are in about. Also watched this terrible video.... Pretty much seen all the videos mentioned on here too. Horrible beyond belief but I guess in a weird way I have become desensitised to the violence and horror portrayed. Thing is I reckon we are actually in a better place than we ever have been however media exposure is greater than its ever been too. Therefore we as westerners are getting exposed to more and more go pro format footage of war and the total crap that goes along with it. There is a shit storm coming..... Just hope we don't ride the wave.
'No choice'. Really??!?
Politically, no. Do you not remember the atmosphere after the attacks? Even the usually pacifistic Germans got involved. And like it or not it crippled AQ.
Bengal Famine. Dresden. Boer War. Oh, and 'we' (allegedly) gassed Kurds long before Saddam did.
I'm not arguing that, that's in the past. I'm arguing whether here in the now, British soldiers are less morally bankrupt than our British ISIS volunteer. And if you really think that politically/ideologically we are as bad as ISIS then you really are beyond deluded.
but I guess in a weird way I have become desensitised to the violence and horror portrayed.
It's pretty obvious that you have if you are actively seeking out these videos - there's nothing weird about that, the only thing that's weird imo is what you choose to watch.
As the locals have done one as soon as they hear ISIS are on the way why don't we just sit on a hill several hundred miles away and nuke them. Then watch the fireworks.
Surround the area with tape saying please return for the oil in 2114.
Job done! People really do over think these things.
*sigh* and nuke children, great.
Try re-reading again [b]locals have done one[/b] 🙄
Do you mean locals such as kurds or locals such as Sunnis who don't run?
Don't forget the greasy men in suits who profit from the weapons and their sweaty antics with children...
ISIS are just thorns on a bush; a bush that keeps growing back unless you get to the roots of the problem
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a bush that keeps growing back unless you get to the roots of the problem
Electrolysis will stop that bush growing back.
Politically, no. Do you not remember the atmosphere after the attacks? Even the usually pacifistic Germans got involved. And like it or not it crippled AQ.
Politically? You mean, those who decided that another round of selling very expensive weapons and establisinh the USA as the World Leader, with the UK as it's poodle, was a good idea? I seem to rememeber many people in this contry being completely opposed to any war in Afganistan. As for Al Quaeda; ahvent they morphed into ISIS? So, hardly 'crippled' then.
I'm not arguing that, that's in the past.
Why bring up Saddam then? He was 'in the past' to.
I'm arguing whether here in the now, British soldiers are less morally bankrupt than our British ISIS volunteer.
From whose perspective are 'we' looking at this? Personally, I think there is little distinction between one set of willing combatents, and another. The rest is just propaganda and politics. British rtrops wera nd are gulty of some horrific attrocities and abuses. It's no good saying 'oh but we're more righteous than them', when 'we' helpedcreate the curent mess Iraq is in.
And if you really think that politically/ideologically we are as bad as ISIS then you really are beyond deluded.
Who is this 'we' you keep speaking of? Don't include me in any support/collaboration/endorsement of what the UK government andmilitary are doing in Iraq nd Afghanistan. None of that is happening in 'my name'. Invading and occupying foreign countires for spurious, bullshit reasons, then murdering innocent civilians, is totaly morally bankrupt. Comparing one lot of war mongerers with another, is like asking to chose who was nicer between Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe.
Electrolysis will stop that bush growing back.
You think?
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jivehoneyjive - Member
Don't forget the greasy men in suits who profit from the weapons and their sweaty antics with children...
ISIS are just thorns on a bush; a bush that keeps growing back unless you get to the roots of the problem
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Seriously, are you completely obsessed with paedaphilia ( sorry if I spelt that wrong, but I normally google words I am not sure of the spelling but I am defiantly not googling that)
Do all your conversations at home or work revolve around or have to be linked to child abuse.
[quote=jivebunny]I could explain how the arms trade has links.......etc etc
Not this shit again.
I'll tell you what..... If you can go a whole week without claiming some people have "Links" to some other people, I will buy you a brand new tinfoil trilby.
Tom_W1987 I really would not give a shit if they were green aliens with pink spots the problem is they see themselves as soldiers of whoever / whatever but we piss around with a drone strike here and there.
If they want a war with the west give them a war with the west in the 21st century gloves off. Wipe them off the face for the earth.
I bet you do it once and the next along the line bunch of nutters would give things some serious though when they know everything and every one they were fighting for would be gone in a large mushroom shaped cloud as soon as they kick off.
If you knew what I know, you'd understand why I harp on about it with such dedication...
Who does government arms deals?
Politically? You mean, those who decided that another round of selling very expensive weapons and establisinh the USA as the World Leader, with the UK as it's poodle, was a good idea? I seem to rememeber many people in this contry being completely opposed to any war in Afganistan. As for Al Quaeda; ahvent they morphed into ISIS? So, hardly 'crippled' then.
AQ has nothing to do with ISIS.
Why bring up Saddam then? He was 'in the past' to.
Because you argued that we are just as bad as ISIS because we went into Iraq.
From whose perspective are 'we' looking at this? Personally, I think there is little distinction between one set of willing combatents, and another. The rest is just propaganda and politics. British rtrops wera nd are gulty of some horrific attrocities and abuses. It's no good saying 'oh but we're more righteous than them', when 'we' helpedcreate the curent mess Iraq is in.
Correction, the Saudi's helped create the mess they're in. We stopped Saddam killing millions more people. In fact, we have blood on our hands because we didn't topple the regime in '91. Just think what the world would be like if it was run by the anti-interventionists hey? The Bosnians and Kosovans would be ****ed, as would the people of East Timor, Sierra Leonne and El Salvidor and meanwhile Saddam would still be gassing Kurds.
Who is this 'we' you keep speaking of? Don't include me in any support/collaboration/endorsement of what the UK government andmilitary are doing in Iraq nd Afghanistan. None of that is happening in 'my name'. Invading and occupying foreign countires for spurious, bullshit reasons, then murdering innocent civilians, is totaly morally bankrupt. Comparing one lot of war mongerers with another, is like asking to chose who was nicer between Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe.
You're paying taxes, it is happening in your name. I suggest you write to HMRC and tell them why you stopped paying them.
[b]If you knew what I know,[/b] you'd understand why I harp on about it with such dedication...
He he, that's funny 😆
You read things online. And then you make out you have some sort of unique knowledge that's not available to anyone else.
Anyone can read things online.
Some people have more vigorous bullshit filters than others though.
Tom_W1987 - Member
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And whilst your sat sighing into your keyboard just remember they wouldn't think twice about wiping your kids off tha face of the earth in the name of their fictitious religious deity ,If they got their hands on that kind of thing,
If you started playing at their level where rules don't apply they'd pretty much take their ball home sulking
AQ has nothing to do with ISIS.We stopped Saddam killing millions more people.
You say some remarkably daft things.
Anyone can read things online.Some people have more vigorous bullshit filters than others though.
You're funny 😆
You read things online, watch things on TV and read papers from news networks that are funded/ managed by the same people who have investments in Oil, Gas and the weapons industry.
Look into [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy ]Genie Energy[/url]:
Genie previously announced a strategic advisory board whose members provide strategic direction and council. Its members include former Vice President Dick Cheney, Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Rupert Murdoch.
AQ has nothing to do with ISIS.
More bollocks. Do your homework. I can't be bothered with the rest of your ill-informed waffle.
You're paying taxes, it is happening in your name. I suggest you write to HMRC and tell them why you stopped paying them.
Paying my taxes does not in any way sanction what a government I never voted for, using a millitary force in a way I abhor, not make their actions 'in my name'. As I have no choice but to pay taxes. AndI haven't voluntarly signed up to become part of that imperialist military machine. So no; it's not happening in my name.
You say some remarkably daft things.
He does, doesn't he? 🙄
You read things online, watch things on TV and read papers from news networks that are funded/ managed by the same people who have investments in Oil, Gas and the weapons industry.
You make a lot of assumptions about people you've never met.
You say some remarkably daft things.
Really? I've been tallying up the military deaths caused by Saddam and the deaths caused by the US/UK and ISIS and it's definitely swinging in Saddam's favor. I mean, he might have suddenly stopped gassing people and starting wars with his neighbors but Leopards don't tend to change their spots.
And besides Ernie, if you're such a big supporter of Palestinians and their right to be armed and fight the occupying Israelis, surely you should support the arming of the Kurds to fight Iraqi/ISIS occupation? I mean to be consistent and all.... 😆
Who did what in the past can not be changed now.
And if you believe we did that to who means we have no moral high ground to stop innocent people from being mass murdered, what do you suggest, we just leave them to it.
You make a lot of assumptions about people you've never met.
😆
You're the funniest guy on here, you lucky scamp
Genie previously announced a strategic advisory board whose members provide strategic direction and council. Its members include former Vice President Dick Cheney, Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Rupert Murdoch.
And ?
Conflict of interest perchance?
Conflict of interest perchance?
Because ?
Well, if you have a guy who is deeply rooted in the political system, a guy who runs a good chunk of the worlds banking, a guy with wide ranging investments and publishing interests and a guy who is balls deep in the global media game
[b]could they perhaps influence global events in their favour?[/b]
could they perhaps influence global events in their favour?
Anything is possible.
Is it happening though ?
You "know things" that I don't know.
Show me some of it ??
could they perhaps influence global events in their favour?
Trade interdependence is one of the biggest drivers of peace. What better way to promote peace than set up a meeting of prominent capitalists. 😈
Jive honey,
On the rolf thread there was a you tube screen shot of max Clifford with white hair and black eyebrows.
I was going to add a picture of alister darling with a tenuous link and a lame joke.
But thought better of it because to link someone to such crimes is an awful slur and greatly irresponsible and with people like yourself around it may grow legs and before you know it he has found himself the subject of the internet rumour mill.
If you have genuine evidence of impropriety, tell the appropriate authorities. Because there is sod all I can do.
Because the way you go about it it would not matter if it was true, because no one will take you seriously .
Trade is the biggest driver of peace.
That theory doesn't work too well with the arms industry...
If you have genuine evidence of impropriety, tell the appropriate authorities. Because there is sod all I can do.
In a perfect world, that would be the solution, however, given the extent of people implicated, going to the very heart of government and even internationally, the normal avenues invariably end up with investigations shut down.
Hence, the only way to crack this cycle is to raise awareness, to increase public pressure on the authorities.
The tide is turning to some extent, but despite a string of celebrities facing justice, I struggle to recall a public case of a very high official such as a cabinet minister or a high ranking member of the house of lords facing charges; in fact, they are generally not even questioned... even when there is swathes of evidence.
