They're quite good, and mercifully short, but it's not match racing as I know it. I can't see anyone throwing 42 tacks in the final beat, there not long enough for one thing.I imagine the original syndicate members spinning in their graves.
The original race was just a multi-boat race round the IOW. The original syndicate members might get quite excited by the current crash and burn format.
Frustrated that I can't get feed to this - not a BT sport customer and freeview 115 does not seem to be a thing around these parts. A shame as 'these parts' includes where the BAR HQ is.
Anyway from the summaries it seems like a bit of a drag race from the start line with the lead only changing when one team makes a handling error. Have there been any races where the lead has changed multiple times or changes because of tactics rather than a handling error?
Also has the racing been more enthralling or impressive than when they were using the AC45Fs in the World Series? I guess from reading the reviews the main advantage of the ACCs is the tech is good enough that can be sailed on the foils all the way around the course including around the corners if done right.
The original race was just a multi-boat race round the IOW. The original syndicate members might get quite excited by the current crash and burn format.
People forget the 'original guys' were people like Tom Sopwith who founded both Sopwith and Hawker, played ice hockey and had a keen interest in 'big boys toys', I think the idea of a flying sailing boat would be right up his street!
It's on free BT for the first round.
It's on free BT for the first round.
Yes, but that's not much help if the freeview channel isn't available everywhere....which it isn't
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Frustrated that I can't get feed to this - not a BT sport customer and freeview 115 does not seem to be a thing around these parts. A shame as 'these parts' includes where the BAR HQ is.Anyway from the summaries it seems like a bit of a drag race from the start line with the lead only changing when one team makes a handling error. Have there been any races where the lead has changed multiple times or changes because of tactics rather than a handling error?
Also has the racing been more enthralling or impressive than when they were using the AC45Fs in the World Series? I guess from reading the reviews the main advantage of the ACCs is the tech is good enough that can be sailed on the foils all the way around the course including around the corners if done right.
Coverage, does seem odd. The Mrs can't get 115 in Harrogate either and that's on a new Bravia.
Racing, to be honest you are right .. well at the moment. It does seem to be passes occur most when the other team bins it or drags around a tack or a mark. There are a few splits at the leeward gate but less than I have expected. So, to some degree the passes are made when errors are made. In saying that the course is quite "thin" by that I mean the boundary lines are pinned in to keep the boats in the Sound, which mean you can't bang a corner or sail a shift all the way.. bias seems irrelevant on the line because it's a tight reach too.. also, hmmmm well, once over the line and to the first mark the margin for overtaking a leeward boat is very limited because the vector to both mark and boundary is quite tight.. so .. so far the first off the line is the first to the mark then they just sail to the boundary then gybe and that's pretty much it, nobody has reached off the line yet then gybed at the first mark.. they've all sailed to the boundary then gone.
Of course, this all may change today who knows.
As is, keeping the boat on the foils at full chat all the time (including manoeuvres) is proving to be the only option to win, one mistake and that's pretty much it.
Is it boring to watch ? That's a question only the objective audience can decide.
I'll watch the whole thing, BT sport subscription is cheap enough through Sky therefore I'm looking forward to see the whole series through to the end on TV for once (and not just the finals)
[quote=bikebouy ]Is it boring to watch ? That's a question only the objective audience can decide.
Watching a whole race almost certainly is. The highlights are quite interesting though, with the vastly increased penalty for a mistake compared to the old displacement boats. In a way I quite like it how you can pin your opponent and sail around the outside in the way the French did to BAR, or indeed in a very similar way what BAR did to the Swedish boat at the start. Such tactical manoeuvres didn't used to work.
Yes, but that's not much help if the freeview channel isn't available everywhere....which it isn't
But I assume, since you have access to the internet, you can go to:
[url= http://sport.bt.com ]bt sport[/url]
and click on the link.
Today's racing looks like it'll be postponed, hasn't happened yet but the first 2 races have been so far...
But I assume, since you have access to the internet, you can go to:
bt sportand click on the link.
All well and good if you live somewhere with internet access fast enough to stream TV....rural Wales isn't that place (except on rare occurr)
The original race was just a multi-boat race round the IOW. The original syndicate members might get quite excited by the current crash and burn format
Not really, the syndicate that built America and came to the UK to race for money. The found no takers and eventually a cup was put up for a race around the Isle of Wight. America won it by virtue of what might be considered cheating. They went back to the USA gave the cup to the NYYC and it was put forward as a trophy to encourage international sport.
It was for match racing, not the drag strip style racing that is used today.
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Not enough wind? What counts as not enough wind for these boats?
6 knots
Weather today is 29C and 19knts of wind !!
Christ... totally outclassed by the NZ team.
Manoeuvres, boat handling, speed.. everything Ben ain't got.
And retired from the race, if they'd carried on they'd have been at least 7mins behind..
Bloody hell, that was stressful.
Not watched a single race [thankfully it seems] but it certainly seems that BAR are just well behind the pack in foil technology - which surprises me as the UK is pretty good at this stuff.
This campaign will be doing nothing for any future British sailing sponsorship requests.
It's surprisng we are this much off the pace but we where never going to make it to the cup match anyway.
To be fair, in the recent feature online on the BBC, I don't think Ainslie really expected to be competitive this time round...he was talking about a 20 year project
We're definitely into the semis with the win over France though - I'm not sure where the idea that we're well behind the pack comes from, we might well make the Challenger finals yet - it's only NZ and USA who appear definitively faster.
Hmmm, rumour has it that the AC is planned for every Two years..
And a 20 year programme is flawed, events in the next 18mths will put paid to funding it.
Bikebouy give it a rest. There are many who have done very well out of the Referendum result and will likely do very well post Brexit.
You are so very wrong.
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Do not tell me what to do.
Anyway, looks like the wind is around today and the overnight vids are a bit more than the general media sound bites so hoping the French come out with some tactics and tweaks ..
System failure on BAR against TNZ yesterday left them with no control of the dagger board, hence no foiling. Lots of gremlins to sort. But they have clocked the fastest of all boats in the stronger winds, so maybe the package is there, it just needs unlocking.
Hmmm, being selected by NZ as their preferred whipping boy does not bode well. Artemis won less races at the group stage but they would still fancy giving us a kicking. Oh well, BAR have 5 more races to gather some data for the next cup in 4 years time.
selected on the basis of low wind speed on the opening days, but the forecast (on the BBC) suggests good wind now, which BAR are fast in. lets see what happens this afternoon. (fingers crossed!)
double post sorry
There seems to me to be something about the way the british (particularly those who come through British Sailing) go about racing that makes it painful and exciting to watch in equal measure - always make it hard at the beginning and then thrive on the fight to keep the points down (or up?!) at the end. Here's hoping this is what we've got with BAR... boat speed/handling perhaps not consistent enough though to beat THE CYCLORS...
You are so very wrong.
In Jamanba's defense (can't believe I agree with him) LR is owned by TATA, so the potential for closer ties with India might not do them any harm.
Oh dear
Oh well, BAR have 5 more races to gather some data for the next cup in 4 years time.
Well, I got that wrong. Scratch that, 3.5 races of data. 😐
at least they looked almost competitive until another failure...
Massive dive from NZ.
men still in the water.
All accounted for.
Hopefully tomorrow we'll actually get some racing!
Will that NZ boat be badly damaged?
From the footage it looked remarkably intact so maybe not. Also with wind forevast to be even steonger they will likely have an extra day to fix it, even if they cannot make the start tomorrow they would still be 3-2 up and BAR look off the pace.
Happy to know eveyone was ok
#bringtheboathome
Outclassed in the light winds and outclassed in medium conditions. Ben play to his strengths in the stronger winds where the boat was optimised, sadly even though he won the vast majority of his starts the lack of time on the water in light airs unfolded.
Artemis however have a cracker, done a cracker and played a blinder. Fast boat, Outridges starts have been solid if not exactly enthralling, and Ian's calls on the shifts have been damn near perfect. Superb showing, I'm routing for them to race the NZ team and actually try to get them into a match race instead of a drag race. This is where Artemis will score highly, strong deep covers and sailing them into the corners..
here's to the next round...
am I right in saying that BAR were the only other boat except Oracle who took a race off TNZ? If they could have got more consistency around the racecourse, and made some better choices on the foils BAR would have been right up there.
Going to be following Artemis closely now. Go Ian!
BAR had a great boat, cracking team and Ben.. who would have thought light wind boat handling would be an issue? Not me, never would have thought that the main restriction. You can win all the starts you like, missing shifts and being unable to keep the boat foiling during manoeuvres is what did it.
I'm hoping the funding stream remains in place, as is it was a two year campaign based on getting to the finals, this they haven't achieved but they have shown they can compete in heavy air (I say heavy, I mean 15knts +) so depending on LR staying committed and BAR (a big supporter of UK sailing for many years) remaining the 36th Cup could become a reality, certainly if the ACP brings in an AC challenge every 2 years (has been mooted)
Arte' were always noted at being fast, now they've settled into a start win groove it's theirs to lose, sad as I'll be to be Dean out of the competition I will be overjoyed to see Ian and the boys finally get the recognition they deserve.
Job, jobbed.
Good result in strong winds..
We where miles off the pace from the beginning. NZ picked us as the weakest opponent.. Chapeau for the very good money the sailors / shore team pocketed but what a waste of £100-£150 million pounds. That's 5 or 6 Volvo Ocean Race Campaigns and probably 6-8 Vendee Globes. 20 years worth of top level sponsorships
This. Their foil tech just wasn't as good as the others!and made some better choices on the foils BAR would have been right up there.
If you're struggling to get the boat foiling (which is #1 priority) they you're not likely to tack any more than absolutely necessary.missing shifts and being unable to keep the boat foiling during manoeuvres is what did it.
