[Closed] AIBU - neighbour issues take 37.

looks like an aviary of some sort.
pigeon racing is popular in asia and so is owning birds of prey...especially in the middle east
one of my friends also races pigeons...another friends dad used to race greyhounds...another 2 friends love fishing
if you're on talking terms with them then the easy option would be to simply ask

not all asians fit the stereotype...some even ride mountain bikes(!) 😯

How many people of Middle Eastern descent do you know with a pigeon collection?

Maybe the pigeons are to be kept as food for their pet falcon.

looks like an aviary of some sort.

It is, it has pigeons in it.

I saw a video of birds using tools to get food.

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Maybe this is the next step... perhaps the pigeons got some proper tools and materials?

They probably went to B & Coop

I can't believe we've had four pages from someone asking advice on how to stop the pigeon and no-one has posted a Muttley gif yet.

Cougar earlier...

Honestly, you get berated on STW for being insular when you're ignorant of another demographic (and I'm not just talking about race here) and then when you try to find out something about it you get berated for that an' all. Can't bloody win.

Must be terrible. Is it a bit like being berated for 'not fitting in' and 'living like us' and then being an object of discussion when you do?

If you want to 'find out' then you need to pay attention to what people say and maybe think about it.

Anyway, have you done anything about getting the inconsiderate gits to remove their pigeon cage yet?

CM, I've a lot of respect for you, but in this case I'm afraid you're looking for a fight where none exists.

MW, I emailed the council to ask what they thought. It's been passed to the "relevant department" apparently.

Respek, bruvnut

I respect you too, Cougar. In these situations you usually demonstrate good judgement. However, for some reason, you seem to have blind spot here.

As I asked before, what do you mean when you talk of the 'asian community'

Charlie, speaking as someone who is 50% Asian let it go will you? No offence was meant and actually more a question of slightly clumsy communication.

....and one who thinks he's a wolf and has the outfit and everything.

Good grief.

Am I the only one who read this and thought WTF? 😮

[quote=CharlieMungus ]As I asked before, what do you mean when you talk of the 'asian community'

The obvious counter question is, if he is using the term incorrectly and offensively (I've absolutely no idea if that is the case), how should he go about finding out that is the case it it's something he is ignorant of?

Charlie, speaking as someone who is 50% Asian let it go will you? No offence was meant and actually more a question of slightly clumsy communication

I assume as this thread progresses its just you he would rather avoid in the future 😉

I assume as this thread progresses its just you he would rather avoid in the future

There's the thing, he cannot. I am his conscience.

Charlie, are you saying the term [i]"Asian Community"[/i] is offensive?
It seems to be a term that is pretty widely used.

Or was it something about the way he used it?

What is the 'Asian Community', Graham?

Cougar - Moderator

You're patronising.

Such few words, so much irony

 

Is it a bit like the farming community or the village community or the ardnamuchen community or the highlands and islands community ?

Are any of those offensive to you ?

What is the 'Asian Community', Graham?

I dunno, I just take it as a collective term for people from the Asian continent, in much the same way as we have a "European Community" or an "African Community".

Never thought of it as offensive, pretty broad maybe, but not offensive, which is why I'm asking you for clarification.

Maybe answer the question before you ask another, I should of course point out that I didn't say I found the term offensive, so from your list, no

community
k??mju?n?ti/Submit
noun
1.
a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common.
"Montreal's Italian community"
synonyms: group, section, body, company, set, circle, clique, coterie, ring, band, faction; More
2.
the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common.
"the sense of community that organized religion can provide"

The dictionaries answer.

I dunno

🙄 To clarify, when I say [i]"I dunno"[/i] I mean [i]"I know exactly what [b]I think[/b] it means which as I said is 'a collective term for people from the Asian continent, in much the same way as we have a "European Community" or an "African Community"'[/i]

But I dunno what [b]you think[/b] it means, and given that you seem to think we shouldn't be using it I can only assume there is some offensive meaning I am unaware of.

Clearer?

I did ask what I should say instead and didn't get an answer.

I'm well aware that there isn't one single massive homogeneous "community" of all Asians, or even just all British Asians, I'm not daft. But there's certainly at least one community amongst my neighbours, if not several.

Don't you see that it's far easier to type "Asian community" and expect that 99% of readers will understand the gist of to whom I'm referring rather than have to type a bloody paragraph for the benefit of the other 1% who just love to nit-pick something I've written or look for prejudice / offence when none was present?

I live in a deprived ward in a dying cotton town, with a large number of first- second- and third-generation Asian neighbours (they may even be the majority now). The term employed by half of the Caucasian residents to describe them is far more likely to be "effing ****s" (which I call them out on when I hear it) so I'm not going to be losing any sleep over the use of "Asian community." Though as I said, if you've anything better I'll happily use it.

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Is all I have to say on the subject.

I remember when Mungus started pissing about like this with me and I put it down to being one of those that aren't respected. Y'know, like the 'big guys'.

Watching this happen to one of the old hands is, well, really disappointing. I feel kinda cheap...

Anyway, logged on to apologise to Tinybits for having a laugh at their typo. Pedantic puns are always a lure for me.

There does seem to be a recurring theme teasel:

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I just haven't quite figured out if Charlie is an easily-riled social justice warrior, or just a long-running parody of one.

But just in case, I've sent a stern email to [url= https://www.abplgroup.com/ ]ABPL Group[/url], publishers of "Asian Voice", "Asian House and Home" and "British Asian Women" magazines to let them know how offensive their website, logo and magazines are:

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Blimmin' racists

😆

Schoolboy error. Should've asked them to define their terms.

To bring things back on topic. Yes it needs planning permission.

Some people just love hijacking threads with these military like coops.
The OP fanciered that next door were hatching some illegal bird breeding hotel and people get their feathers all flustered. Maybe we can loft some more useful ideas!!

Am I the only one who read this and thought WTF?

He's a Furry (Google it). Nice guy, good with animals.

Maybe we can loft some more useful ideas!!

Just gets you down, doesn't it.

Hehehe Cougar you were suprised that ****stani people kept pigeons , put your fears to rest it's quite a big thing actually within so called community and has been since ****stanis arrived here. Maybe you should just go and ask them what their up to and at the same time put your concerns across . End of the day your issues with them not folk on here.

Is this the precursor to some sort of forum coo?

I don't have fears. I have concerns around the safety of the thing they've cobbled together, and I have curiosity as to why they've done it (which was answered two pages back). I was surprised because, as I've said, I'd no idea (and tried to enquire and got mauled).

If they want to keep pigeons that's actually pretty cool, I am in Lancashire after all; fifty years ago it was practically mandatory. I just don't want to be pulling fence panels and feathers out of my yard in a fortnight.

I did ask what I should say instead and didn't get an answer

Because I don't know what you mean by it. I can't offer you an alternative for a phrase when i don't know what you are trying to say

GrahamS you won't find many of those in which I say I am offended. Not even this one.

Incidentally have you tried the same with to your own name? Glass houses and all that, you know

Because I don't know what you mean by it

Fair enough, I refer you to my previous post where I explained it.

Right, so are you going to let us in on [i]why[/i] we shouldn't use the phrase [i]"Asian Community"[/i] or are you just going to vaguely assert that it is offensive?

But not to you obviously.

Or apparently the [s]Asian Community[/s] [i]the broad diaspora of individuals self-identifying as originating from, or being the descendants of individuals originating from, or culturally or socially connected to, the continent of Asia and associated territories, countries and municipalities therein[/i]

I'm well aware that there isn't one single massive homogeneous "community" of all Asians, or even just all British Asians, I'm not daft. But there's certainly at least one community amongst my neighbours, if not several.

and this is why it is meaningless as a term and meaningless to talk of pigeon fancying being a thing 'in the asian community'. By what criteria are you categorising this community such that any meaning can be inferred from that categorisation.

by the way, i'm not offended by the term, sorry, i know it would help some of you (not Cougar) if i were. I'm merely pointing out that it is a lazy categorisation. I and many other Asians are not represented by this Asian community. The problem is that when we talk of a community in this way, we canend up assuming a homogenity of tastes or views or practices, which are generally essentialist or reductive. For example asking individuals to speak for a random grouping.

Interesting how a straight forward, innocuous post can attract so many responses - including some which appear to be intended to needle you based on wilful misinterpretation of your phrasing.

I think this one has run it's course but - I could be wrong.......