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@vxaero that's not near Langholm is it?


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 8:13 am
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Not sure whether there’s a better link but I always found this farmers demonstration of cow interaction was really good.

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I don’t mind cows but like all animals sudden movements or surprising them isn’t the greatest approach and if there’s calves I’d give them a wide berth.

They are funny buggers thou but with them weighing a tad less than a small car exercising care around them isn’t a bad thing 🙂


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:02 am
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If they're close to the path and stationary, how fast can they accelerate from standing? I've had to pass through a few herds, typically when they're congregated next to gates on tracks.

Clear friendly 'hello cows, nothing to see here, don't mind me' type chat usually elicits bored stares and cud chewing so I've assumed I'm safe.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:06 am
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The Times article referenced earlier in this thread is a very interesting and educational read

"Killer cows: the one-tonne menace bringing fear to the footpath"

I will now be far more aware when in their presence, take care out there!


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:12 am
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Most, not all, but most cows unless pregnant/have young or your mistaking a bull for a cow are pretty harmless. They're just big grass doggos, give them a ball and they get excited and play with it, start running they will chase because they're curious, lay on the floor and they'll all crowd around you in a circle sniffing you trying to figure out if you're actually dead or just playing, play them music and the entire herd comes to listen.

Great animals, unfortunately most accidents seem to be happen because people underestimate them with the above thought pattern and thinking they're all friendly, even if its not a bull disguised as a cow to the untrained eye or pregnant and in calf, you can still get the one cow thats an absolute dick head, a nasty bit of work, and they're huge so you gotta treat them with respect too.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:21 am
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In the US more people are killed by cows than sharks. Pendants might point to location.

The Swiss use cow bell pendants to point to location, perhaps the US could learn from this?

Another big plus in Switzerland is their flag


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:26 am
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TBH what is it 1-2 people(not counting farm workers) a year die from bad cow interactions.

IMHO Probably better odds interacting with that field of vicious killers than riding on the road and interacting with the metal boxes 🙂


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:28 am
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In Oz cows kill many more than sharks (who come in equal with bees) so it's not the men in grey suits you have to worry about so much as walking across that field. If you're stung by a  bee I'd imagine your odds in the sea that day will be pretty good.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:31 am
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I grew up on and around farms. I was always taught to have an awareness of what the cows were doing, and never assume that they would always be chilled. I personally have never had an issue - but I know my father had a narrow escape when in the milking shed one day, and a farmer who had had a herd become aggressive.
This was my morning commute audience for a few years - you learn they are docile but will happily give a shake of the head for a fly as you get close...

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Posted : 20/06/2023 9:34 am
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Sorry, I've forgotten how to do quotes. The photo was taken near Horton in Ribblesdale.  I rode around the cattle (to the right of the bull in previous pic) and took another photo.  Beef cattle (assuming that's what they are) seem a lot less skittish than dairy cows.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:40 am
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Ah, thought I recognised it as a field where I had a confrontation with a herd a few years ago. There was no easy escape route, and I had a staring and snorting match with the bull (ok, it was mainly him doing the snorting) from about 50 yards) before he turned and headed off and took his harem with him. I'm usually very cautious with cattle (much to the amusement of the farm vet I ride with) but these were at the far end of a 1/4 mile field, by the exit gate, and hidden by a small rise until I was almost on top of them. Retreat would have been uphill. Not ideal.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:47 am
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We grew up opposite a dairy farm. The herd there was quite docile, they were used to being handled and near humans. As a child I actually rode one of those cows often.
However on my 'walk leader' course we had a whole hour of learning the do's and don'ts of walking in a field with cows.
Never get between a cow and her calf. A bull in a field with cows isn't too bad. Let your dog off the lead if the cows become disturbed. I've actually had to throw myself through a hole in a hedge before now, when the cows saw the only dog in our walking group and the cows became aggressive.
Stay to the edge of a field and then there's a way to get out if needed.
I love cows, but some are a herd of lunatics and are so observant and inquisitive, they'll come over (sometimes at a fair pace) to look at you.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 10:26 am
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I've been in fields with docile cows, and in some fields where you can just sense they are not inquisitive but actually up for a fight.

Like Bunnyhop above I've had to dive through a hedge to escape a charge whilst crossing a field.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 10:29 am
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Grab it's ring!

*nonchalantly lights cigarette.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 10:31 am
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Been past that herd near Horton many, many times. Very docile. Normally a bull in the field with his ladies, all chilled. Big beef bulls round here are 'mostly' absolute softies, although I'll still spend a bit of time assessing their mood from a distance and take a wide line if I'm not 100 percent sure.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 10:34 am
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I spent much of my childhood in and around cow fields with mates, dogs (and bikes) - was always confident and never once felt uncomfortable. Fast forward through many adult years of doing the same and only two occasions spring to mind. The first was me (running solo) being aggressively surrounded and talking my way out. The second was only last year when I walked the dog (on a lead) through a cow field I had never ventured through before. 300m end to end. Was a third of the way across when they suddenly showed interest, ran at us and encircled us. One of them was clearly the leader on this occasion and giving it large. I know the official advice is to let the dog go but our's is a mental Cocker so that wasn't an option. So I picked her up and walked faster and faster towards the gate whilst continuing to engage in gesticulations and firm chatter. That was a very long 2-3 minutes and I really wasn't sure we'd make it out of there.

Not something I'd want to repeat.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 10:52 am
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I had a bad experience being chased by cows 5 years ago, so now avoid.  It's a real pita as my walking route crosses a few fields and if the cows are in, I have a long detour.

I m sure cows can sense your anxiety and react accordingly.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 2:13 pm
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Heifers and bullocks, shout and wave and take some steps towards them. They seem to enjoy a game of grandmothers' footsteps.

Cow and calf normally ignore you but watch for mothering instincts if you get between them.

Big bull standing in your way giving you the stink-eye while pissing voluminously on the path, back away slowly 🙂

If you have a dog, picking it up usually helps (they seem to lose sight of it or forget it's a dog) but there's always the chance that it won't....

I haven't seen stats but am pretty sure that a large majority of serious incidents (with public, not farmers) must involve a dog.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 2:26 pm
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This was enough to make me change my course while out  on a ride a couple of years ago. I’ve since ridden through this herd though, as I was told by others that they’re a pretty placid bunch, despite the scary horns.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 3:01 pm
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With the Highland cattle, there is always one on 'lookout' duty.

I can't stress how much you must let your dog go if the cows get aggressive. Dogs can usually get away, but maybe the owner isn't as nimble or capable.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 3:17 pm
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Bullocks ( bull calves without the bollox) are the funniest.  A mix of curiosity, stupidity, boredom and high spirits.  I have seen a field of them all run over to me ( on the other side of the wall) and then all run away again in panic.  I did absolutely nothing.  heifers are nearly as bad.

Cows with young calves are the ones to be wary of.  they can get protective


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 4:18 pm
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I can’t stress how much you must let your dog go if the cows get aggressive. Dogs can usually get away, but maybe the owner isn’t as nimble or capable.

Yeh; my dog's a coward and default is to get behind me, look at the threat from through my legs, and whimper until I sort it.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 4:28 pm
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Nothing like that feeling of your in a game of thrones battle scene when the grounds shaking as they run over to say hi.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 7:27 pm
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TBH could make a good article for the moo-gazine, riding with cows.

Be interesting to to have the various brands pictured and rated.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 7:37 pm
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I usually go with loud epic poetry but if they are cantering then I resort to a quick Hi coo.
Make sure you keep count of the silly bulls.

OK, thats worth extra bonus points....


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 7:48 pm
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I was told to waive a large red flag.

Works a treat apparently. Never heard of anyone saying it didn't work.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:02 pm
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The Times article referenced earlier in this thread is a very interesting and educational read

“Killer cows: the one-tonne menace bringing fear to the footpath”

I will now be far more aware when in their presence, take care out there!

Glad that you've been able to read the article!  I read it last night, some interesting stats regarding number of incidents involving/not involving dogs as well as the comments from staff at a local hospital.  Definitely a sobering read and you can't help but feel sadness when folk have lost their life, or are left with lifelong injuries accompanied by PTSD.

Most of my riding was done alone and before I entered a field it was a case of observing, ie where is the exit, scan the field for possible escape routes, are the cattle all together, any youngsters, look at their body language.  Trust your instincts!  Still been chased by some though, am certain they picked up on my friend being terrified of all animals.


 
Posted : 20/06/2023 9:27 pm
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Grab it’s ring!

Keep your bag up!


 
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