[Closed] Abu Qatada

Is he fighting tooth and nail to stay here because he'll be killed if the send him to Jordan?

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

yes as we are a better and fairer system and society then surely the best way to show this is to ignore the rules and send him somwhere where his rights wont be protected and he gets tortured.
I mean it shows we are the good guys right

I'm in the 'the law should apply equally to everyone' camp; being an odious shit stirrer does not mean that you should get treated differently by the judiciary.

The key thing is whether it is acceptable to use evidence obtained by torture in a trial. My view is that it isn't. The evidence is unreliable and why should we make physically harming someone to get them to tell a story as an acceptable thing to do under any circumstances?

Much as I despise him and his ilk, I have to agree with the posters above.

well, he has seen off 6 home secretaries and there is no point is continuing to waster tax payers money on this, until he is committed of an actual crime........

What we need to do is have a sliding scale of rules and rights. For those of us who are in the 'right/ok' category, the full letter and protection of the law applies.

You then reduce those rights depending on how much you dislike the people you're applying them to.

What could possibly go wrong?

Just ignore him. Its clear he just thrives off every foaming-at-the-mouth pantomime villain headline in the Mail. If everyone collectively shrugged and just got on with things, that would be worse than being sent back to Jordan for him

Thing is; it costs us a fortune to monitor him. He does need monitoring mind you, he's a [i]very[/i] naughty extremist.

Paragraph 37 of the judgement actually says what Jordan would need to do to allow Britain to complete his extradition.

[url= http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/othman-approved-27313.pdf ]http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/othman-approved-27313.pdf[/url]

so it's quite clear he *can* be extradited.

you've got to love DM readers it's all Brussels fault 🙂

Ter is ONE solution, we leave the EU. Vote UKIP

Can anyone actually give an example of this hatred that he preaches? I've never seen any reported - we are just expected to take at face value that he is a "terrorist"?

I would suggest that a Code of Common Sense be created and passed that supersedes all of the other "Codes of" that are designed to protect the rights of the common man but end up being flagrantly abused by terror-whores such as Abu Hooky-hand, or whatever his name is this week.

meh.

The best bit from the BBC article on it...

"Abu Qatada has never been charged with an offence in the UK."

"Abu Qatada has never been charged with an offence in the UK."

True, but they might be some reason why he has a large number of Police and special branch following him around, and it isn't because he drops litter.

Is it because he's black?

Anyone else's blood boil when they read about this joker

Nope, can't read his name now without doing it to the tune of Hakuna Matata from the Lion King (since someone suggested it on some comedy thing a while ago). Try it 🙂

"[i]abooooo qaaaaaatadaaaaaa..........it means no worries[/i]"

LIKE

Agree with the first posts.
So, let him stay but explain very clearly that one step or word out of line and all bets are off, first class airfare to Jordan.
That or someone go and explain to Jordan in simple terms whay they need to do to comply.

rogerthecat, this is what Jordan need to do. Basically not use the evidence from the two tortured men in a trial.

“The Secretary of State has not satisfied us that, on a retrial, there is no real risk that the impugned statements of Abu Hawsher and Al-Hamasher would be admitted probatively against the appellant. Until and unless a change is made to the Code of Criminal Procedure and/or authoritative rulings are made by the Court of Cassation or Constitutional Court which establish that statements made to a public prosecutor by accomplices who are no longer subject to criminal proceedings cannot be admitted probatively against a returning fugitive and/or that it is for the prosecutor to prove to a high standard that the statement were not procured by torture, that real risk will remain.”

[i]Nope, can't read his name now without doing it to the tune of Hakuna Matata from the Lion King [/i]

Or indeed, his name instead of [i]'ave a banana[/i], as in

"Oops! Abu Qataaaada!"

It should be a condition of his stay here that he wears a bright yellow tabard with the words "Here Courtesy Of Christianity, An Islamic Country Wants me Dead" on one side and "Mohammed Couldn't Prophesy The Result Of A Scotland Game " on the back.

Crikey ... he is still around!? 😯

There is a theory that "cat flap" May is deliberatly losing this one repeatedly so as to whip up the morons into an anti Europe froth so she can do away with the Human Rights act etc in due course .To eskay what is so wrong with the prohibition on torture and the rule of law?

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Part of his agenda is to have Sharia-Law, or is that another muppet...

Anyway, he should be dealt with by way of Sharia-Law. It's what allah would want.

[i]he should be dealt with by way of Sharia-Law.[/i]

well he's done nothing wrong in this country under that law either so maybe we should just leave him alone?

in this country

Argh, that's ok then intit 😛

well, if you have evidence that wasn't gained by attaching electrodes to someones scrotum then I'm sure Teresa May will want to see it.

Could we make it public knowledge that he thinks Putin is a pansy?
Should be enough for him to " commit suicide".

i think the OP might be a tad disappointed by the responses to his post.....

No, just expressing my opinion.

I think the yanks have the right attitude to these type of characters.

But I would also like to see the death penalty reintroduced!

[i]'these types of characters'[/i] you mean people classified as 'unlawful combatants' assumed to be guilty, without a trial, held captive in a penal colony who live in a nightmarish world of indefinite detention without a trial.

Denial of human freedom is torture; denial of any sense of when that torture ends adds a whole new barbarous dimension of cruelty.

What an excellent world you dream of!!!

OK, so I googled - he is accused of various crimes, nearly all to do with saying things. Some of them amount to incitement to murder and to rise up and take arms, which are illegal in an ordinary mainstream sense without specialist terrorism legislation. So - if they were true then he would be tried and convicted of those crimes. But he isn't?

I find that the very people who are in favour of summarily imprisoning or even of just murdering him are the same ones who have the least idea about what he is accused of. Which basically means they are racists who want to kill bearded foreigners because they don't see them as being as human as everyone else.

I don't want him murdered or summarily imprisoned.
He is a foreign national who has taken the piss out the UK for long enough. I want him gone. Don't care where, I don't want to read about him and I definitely don't want to pay for him, his accommodation or legal bills. Nothin to do with his colour/race/whatever or penchant for facial hair.

OK, sorry. [i]Some[/i] of the people who want him gone…

Why is he shacked up with us infidels anyway?
I'm sure there are other countries that would be more to his taste.

I think it would be nice if he just went away. dont care where just away. Dont enjoy listening on the news how much we are getting the piss taken out of us.

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I kinda like him because he makes right wingers get all swivel eyed and shows up theresa may and the government for a bunch of useless muppets

im starting to suspect that hes actually a guy in make up that MI5 have invented to remind us to be scared of terrorists; crazy beard, 1 eye and a hook, extended family on benefits ? hes too perfect sun/daily mail fodder

and do they really expect us to believe that we have abandoned our own morals so much that we are allied in T.W.A.T. with a brutal dictatorship that represses all media, oppresses women has one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world, has security forces that are repeatedly guilty of extrajudicial killings, torture, corruption , like wed ever extradite anyone to a place like that ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Jordan

next thing youll tell me is that we sell weapons to this government

shows up theresa may and the government for a bunch of useless muppets

To be fair, he did the same to Blunkett, Jacqui Smith and Labour as well.

In October 2002, the then Home Secretary, David Blunkett, detained Abu Qatada indefinitely without trial under Part 4 of the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 (ATCSA), which at that time provided for such detention.[33] The Special Immigrations Appeals Commission subsequently rejected an appeal by Abu Qatada to be released from detention without trial.[30] In 2005, Part 4 of ATCSA was replaced by the Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005, which replaced detentions with control orders, and Abu Qatada was released under such a control order. On 12 August 2005, Abu Qatada was detained again pending deportation to Jordan.[34]

EDIT; Qatada has two eyes and no hook. You're confusing him with the other one. Racist! 😉

Crikey ... he is still around!?

Think so. He was posting yesterday.

I think it's fantastic that we have such a wonderful legal system that can uphold the rights of an individual that politicians don't like for any particular reason.

Thing is; it costs us a fortune to monitor him. He does need monitoring mind you, he's a very naughty extremist.

His legal aid is currently at well over £500,000: [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20747647 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20747647[/url]. Worth every penny to see the Daily Wailers frothing at the mouth over this. 😆

Part of his agenda is to have Sharia-Law, or is that another muppet...

Anyway, he should be dealt with by way of Sharia-Law. It's what allah would want.

How would you know what Allah would want? Are you a Muslim?

and do they really expect us to believe that we have abandoned our own morals so much that we are allied in T.W.A.T. with a brutal dictatorship that represses all media, oppresses women has one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world, has security forces that are repeatedly guilty of extrajudicial killings, torture, corruption , like wed ever extradite anyone to a place like that ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Jordan

next thing youll tell me is that we sell weapons to this government

Well said Kimbers.

How would anyone know what Allah wants? He's no more real than Father Christmas.

Or indeed, his name instead of 'ave a banana, as in

"Oops! Abu Qataaaada!"

Neither my wife nor I can resist singing his name out like that (wasn't it Jo Brand on HIGNFY who did it?). 😀

I would suggest that a Code of Common Sense be created and passed that supersedes all of the other "Codes of" that are designed to protect the rights of the common man but end up being flagrantly abused by terror-whores such as Abu Hooky-hand, or whatever his name is this week.

So you're not a believer in the UK justice system then? There are other countries you could go and live in; no-one's forcing you to stay here.

There is a theory that "cat flap" May is deliberatly losing this one repeatedly so as to whip up the morons into an anti Europe froth so she can do away with the Human Rights act etc in due course .To eskay what is so wrong with the prohibition on torture and the rule of law?

I'm more worried about what the likes of May and her ilk will do to the justice system, than I am of Qatada.

Just ignore him. Its clear he just thrives off every foaming-at-the-mouth pantomime villain headline in the Mail. If everyone collectively shrugged and just got on with things, that would be worse than being sent back to Jordan for him

This, is actually Common Sense.

How would anyone know what Allah wants? He's no more real than Father Christmas.

Did you not get the bike you asked for then? 😉