[Closed] About to be sacked and devastated

Yep, good luck Mog

Although, by the sounds of it I'm not entirely sure what outcome constitutes good luck. Sounds tough spot to be in.

All the best for today.

Dont know the inns and outs of employment law but if you've raised issues of unrealistic targets and performance etc can you not try for Constructive Dismissal? I'd imagine they'd want to avoid this. As I say i dont know the inns and outs but I am sure a specialist in this area could advise.

santacruzsi - by his own admission he hasn't hit targets (ignoring the team being low on staff etc). Given this and 6 months employee, so CD is off the table. Constructive dismissal is more about forcing someone out on the sly by changing their role, sidelining them, putting too much pressure on them etc not sacking them.

So what happened?

I was thinking the same then thought that maybe if he's getting shit for under performing at work maybe logging on to STW straight after his meeting wouldnt be the best plan?

if you've raised issues of unrealistic targets and performance etc can you not try for Constructive Dismissal?

Went through a similar experience to yours in my early 20s - it really hurt at the time, but it ultimately set me on a completely different career path, and looking back on things from the perspective of my 50th birthday, I'm pretty satisfied with the way things have turned out for me: working from home, lots of quality time with family and friends, setting my own priorities and focusing on the things I think are important in life.

Whatever happens today, it's really worth thinking about what you want your life to be all about, then starting to plan for how you get from where you are now, to where you'd like to be. It can be a long road which involves some pretty radical changes in outlook, but it's absolutely worth it. Crucial to get your spouse's support as well - I don't think I'd have achieved much if my wife hadn't backed me 100%.

Good luck!

Hmmmmm not sure what the "targets" are - is this a revenue based thing or a project timeline type scenario?

I quite regularly have to have little sit downs with guys that work for me who might not quite be hitting sales targets. The first thing I ALWAYS look to do is put together a performance management plan. It's not about being soft, cuddly and "there there". That simply delays the inevitable - the way to do it is to identify a set of actions that are required, match those to resource to allow them to happen, and a defined timeline for them to happen in. Turning this round the other way for you gives the following:

- Targets have not been met. You have raised this concern several times on record.
- Action to either address resource issue or put together a secondary plan or review targets has not been taken by your bosses.
- The situation CAN be resolved with commitment from both parties.

Here's what to ask for:

- Establish performance management plan with reviewed targets and a timeline to achieve them. Both parties to agree to these
- Agree resource plan (whether staff or budget) to allow this to happen.
- If resource cannot be made available, review target again.

And repeat these 3 steps in a loop until a mutually agreeable solution is found.

Obviously this is all hypothetical as I don't know the nature of the business or the targets in question, but my experience working in a multinational tells me that any decent sized organisation will have a process in place where they go to a performance management plan ahead of firing, so as to minimise the risk of constructive dismissal cases.

Good luck.

I was facing the sack for gross miss-conduct about 4 years ago [justification]expenses fiddling like everyone else in the company[justification/] and was somehow saved at the last straw but my colleague got dismissed. In that time we both looked around and a job came up which we both went for. They offered me the position but I declined as I still had my job. He accepted and is still there to this day on twice the money I get....they never asked for references.

Good luck.

What happend fella? working or walking?

Clearly he no longer has access to the internet !

Hope he comes back with good news

Been on my mind all day this. Hope he's alright!

proper rooting for him.. give as good as you get.. and give it with a smile!

Horrible situation and I notice they sent you the details on a Friday when you weren't around so you'd pick it up at the weekend thus ruining that for you.

I know its difficult and you are fearing what is coming up and how you're going to cope, but having been through this myself i would say only this:

One door shuts, another one opens.

Things happen for a reason.

You'll look back on this as just a bad chapter and soon forget about it. Just stay positive and don't blame yourself....it probably would have happened to anyone who took that job!

I was in this situation around a year who, had been with the company 11months. I got dismissed on a Friday afternoon, and by the following Friday had a job offer with my old firm. Just goes to show it can't hurt to ask if there are any positions. I had to do a bit of padding around why i left in the 1st instance, but they took me back.

Hope it doesn't come to it though and good luck

Not read all the thread/comments but the main thing is your family, you have them to support you no matter what happens and there is always a way forward, try not worry too much, something will turn up, it always does!

Good luck!

If he'd been binned, he'd be at home on the internet, I assume. So the fact that he's not on would suggest he's still in employment.

Or, he's still in the meeting having a shouting match.

Or, he's been binned and is now in the pub getting hammered.

Or, he lost it in the meeting and attacked the staff, and is now in a cell.

Or, he's made his way onto the roof of a neighbouring building with a bargain bucket, bottle of white lightning and a sniper rifle.

or he has been sacked and is now out on his bike!!

I'll go with Muppetwrangler......sounds the most likely outcome!

Been made redundent 2 times in my working life, first time was hard, 2nd time not so, now work for myself and have done for the last 20 years and would not change a thing, it can be tough looking for new work, but things always work out, and Im my own boss and asnswer to NOBODY, (apart from HMRC) lol.

My advice, dont stress over it, from what you wrote you are not happy there, this maybe what you need to move onto better things 😉

So how did you get on ?

stw needs closure!

If it's what he thought then thre's probably more pressing matters on his mind right now.

What if he's an assassin, and he's failed to meet his kill target, and the only way to deal with failed assassins is to make them disappear? D:

Mrs toast has a point

It doesn't look like good news for the OP.

As many have stated on here, it may not seem it but it could be the start of something much better for you and your loved ones. Chin up and tomorrows another day.

Agree

Use it as an opportunity Mog. I know its hard but i was sacked and then made redundant some time later and both were the best things to happen to me (however it was hard to comprehend it at the time).

Keep your head up, enjoy yourself and just thnk what you really want to do and how you are going to acheive it.

Making money isnt that hard when you dont have to go to work everyday if you have your head screwed on

Keeping fingers crossed you get a reasonable outcome Mog, fingers are crossed here.

To Mog.

Hope the radio silence isn't an indication of your fears.

Fingers crossed for you.

they may have took his company laptop off him.

or....

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*checks news reports*

OK, so back home and had some tea, kids cuddled and in bed.
It was as I feared, however, I went in early and did a bit of prep work just to be on the safe side. Sort of on the offensive but in a professional way.
Accusation 1 - outstanding admin submissions.
Evidence 1 - batch headers showing my team had submitted (our bit) but admin hadn't input (not our bit) passed to line manager calmly and politely.
Accusation 2 - missed targets.
Evidence 2 - performance broken down per head in my team to demonstrate that if I had 4 more 'heads', as I'd been requesting, the targets would have been hit. (actual x 4 = as near as dammit)
Accusation 3 - no staff development.
Evidence 3 - emails sent to local colleges requesting enrolment dates for specific courses for specific staff.
New Accusation 4 - I'm not authorised to enrol staff on external (cost) courses without telling anyone - how would line manager know I'd done that if I didn't tell them?
Evidence 4 - Fair enough, I'll take that feedback on board, thank-you, can I leave the training requests with you to advise on appropriate development?

Line manager and other manager seemed to flap a bit and really made me feel uneasy in terms of giving me the 'you think you're being smart do you?' looks. Break in proceedings while HR were contacted (no HR present). The result is a 3 month extension to probation rather than successful probation which shows me that I can do no right there, but pays my mortgage for 3 more months while I leave under my own steam rather than theirs.

So all in all, more good than bad.

I would like to genuinely thank everyone for their advice, I actually used a lot of it in the meeting. Really, really appreciate it - thank you. I think their minds were set to dismiss me until I forced them to ring HR due to the supporting evidence.

Now I'm going to bed and hopefully getting some kip.

Cheers.

that sounds like a good result. you now have 3 months to find a new job.

Well done, an excellent performance - you should have no trouble getting another job!

Good news and pleased to hear. You know what to do in the next 3 months!

Good effort man, horrible situation, well done for not buckling.

Good luck with your excape route.

Well handled mate

...get looking ASAP 3 months will go very quickly you have some breathing space so use it wisely

Great news and be sure to have in writing what they expect to see improved in those three months and what support they will give you to achieve the targets .

Glad you have a breather to find an alternative.

Hadn't looked at this until now, but...

WIN! Good for you, Mog, good for you!

Now, get out. Fast. What do you do/sell? Wonder if someone here knows someone etc...

Great news now make sure you tell them to stick it in the next 3 months and give them f all notice.

Now you've dealt with it in a grown up way....get signed off on the sick for 3 months due to 'stress' and go riding 😀

Well done - don't let them grind you down and good luck! 😀

Good work Mog! Now time to review your options and progress the ones you really want to. Hope you can res a little easier tonight.

Jay

Chapeau 🙂

Theses are some of the best bits of this forum. Good advice freely given ( with a bit of banter thrown in ) that helped you in a stressful time.

Good job staying calm and focused and being well prepped for the meeting, sounds like it would be best option to start the job hunt now and good luck.

Your a star for that meeting

Best of luck for the future!!

well done, now get the hell outta there, they sound rotten to the core

Nice one mate well done!!

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Good work fella and glad to hear you have a stay of execution - it really is better than nowt!

Talk of kids/mortgages/finances is always tough to hear, really pleased things didn't turn out as you feared. I think you touched a STW nerve here judging by the number of people wanting to know how you got on.

Now you've dealt with it in a grown up way....get signed off on the sick for 3 months due to 'stress' and go riding

Joking apart that would really screw them over. Glad you got the three month extension. The same thing happended to me six months ago, actually got through probabtion but then was literally marched off site because my face didn't fit (actual words used). No warning of poor performance, no opportunity to be represented. In a much better job now with more money and a manager I respect. Still feel aggrieved from time to time though, I know it wasn't my fault, they were a similar bunch of no hopers as your place seems to be, but still aggrieved I found myself in that position. Sounds like you handled it really proffessionally, hang onto that bit of pride and belief in yourself, it'll stand you in good stead as you move on.

Well done Mog! Genuinely pleased for you!

Good work...well done!

Really good news in a way. At least your immediate money worries are addressed. Just use the 3 months to find something else but you need to try and keep it away from them and keep the results going in the right direction.

Damn you handled that well! Continued good luck!

My two penneth, if I may.

You have been there less than 12 months. They don't need a reason to let you go.

"Sorry Mr. Mog but things just aren't working out and we feel it's best yadda, yadda, yadda. Of course references will be given etc..."

This is how it so easily could have gone. You, if I may say, have handled the pressure very well and demonstrated a very high level of professionalism both in the way you provided evidence and the way you accepted responsibility where necessary. Getting an extra 3 months is a massive result in my opinion. Of course, what you do with the time is up to you but I am genuinely very pleased for you.

Well done sir!

Nice one Mog. Great thread, nice ending I think we'll all want a live stream from the leaving do when you move on to pastures new, better still invite STW to the event!

Having been through similar situation I can say you did better than me. Well done and now use you're time wisely. A great example of STW camaraderie.

Great result Mog.... struggling to think of how that could have gone any better!

Usually on probation you have to give less notice - so now that you are actively looking, the boot is on the other foot.

Well done Mog

Sounds like it went as well as you could reasonably have hoped for given what you were expecting. LIke's been said above, use the remainder of this week to consider your next move, then Monday morning start on putting that plan into action.

Not to sound too pessimistic but might be an idea to take it easy on the finances for the next couple of months just in case you need a bit of breathing space should the timings not work out perfectly.

Winner!

Time to start looking...

Ah you dont need that kind of shite from them.

They have tried to get you over a barrel and you have stuck two fingers right up in their face so get to the doctors, lay it on and take the time off on the sick as they wont want you there they have made that clear.

Spend the time finding the right place to work (if you can sell stuff then sell yourself instead) and be happy in the fact that they are spewing and you are out on your bike!

Good news
Now watch your back and look for another job
So you can tell them to stick there job !

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Well done Mog,

Where are you based and what does you you sell.

I'll be needing someone with industrial sales experience based in the M4 area south/central in about 3 to 4 months.

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on the flip side, maybe the reason for his review was that he was actually pretty poor at his job. No smoke without fire!!!

Excellent result and well done!
One observation:

Accusation 3 - no staff development.
Evidence 3 - emails sent to local colleges requesting enrolment dates for specific courses for specific staff.
New Accusation 4 - I'm not authorised to enrol staff on external (cost) courses without telling anyone - how would line manager know I'd done that if I didn't tell them?

Hope it starts getting better for you from now on. Good luck and well done, went through something similar a few years ago but managed to get out of it well enough financially but it wasn't pleasant.

Good result - hopefully you feel a lot less stressed now that you've bought yourself some time. If you want to make a go of it (not sure that you do) then I would advise monthly review meetings rather than wait until the 3 months is up. That way you can put them under pressure re-recruitment, training etc.

well done.. disappointed we didnt get to go round with our bombers though..

Tyke makes a very good point. Proactive is good in these circumstances.

Nice one.
I hate it when bad managers try and get away with it and blame other people. Happens far too often.
From your summary it strikes me they're not very intelligent as the 'issues' were so easily batted back at them. Anyone worth their salt would have realised that would happen and have not even tried it in the first place.
Glad you were able to rise above their games.
Good luck with the job hunt 🙂