[Closed] Aaaaawwww, bless! Poor little poppets...

My primary 4 teacher told all of us that Santa wasn't real.

I had sort of worked it out anyway, but the teacher ended up in hot water.

The irony of you using the word 'bless' in the title is the icing on the cake of yet another dreary anti-religion thread. Don't you ever get bored?

I believed in Santa until on Christmas when he came into our bedroom and my sister suddenly yelled out: "He's wearing Daddy's slippers!"

Never mind, "Captain". At least your contribution cheered it up, eh? 😆 😛

Strange how parents indoctrinate their kids with lies and tales about a man dressed in a red suit, wellies and bad breath who will bring them presnts if they sit on his knee, let him kiss the girls, on one day in december, yet for the rest of the year warn their same kids about talking,acepting gifts or even making eye contact with another adult male.

a very weird world some parents live in.

What an utter git.

My kids love Christmas as a magical winter festival. To have somebody come and ruin it for them would be terrible.

Once they are older they can make up their own mind the Christian aspect to it. But until then they should be allowed to be kids.

That was posted on my marvelously underappreciated [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/the-real-father-christmas#post-5593134 ]thread[/url] yesterday 😡

if they sit on his knee, let him kiss the girls

But they don't and he doesn't. It is the 1970s anymore, you do know that don't you?

DezB - Member

That was posted on my marvelously underappreciated thread yesterday

Sorry Dez. Did the "Captain" tell YOU off as well? 🙄

Oh no, I didn't post the story, someone else did. I just linked to some fine pictures. Like this
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Is that Jimmy Page?

It's funny though - I never told my son he doesn't exist. He worked it out for himself. And now ruins it for all his mates!

A [b]vicar[/b] has apologised for telling children at a school assembly that Father Christmas does not exist.

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"A vicar has apologised for telling children at a school assembly that Father Christmas does not exist.

Was it on a video that no one was watching ?

No - it was in a newspaper that no one was reading.

Until now.

Love it, vicar tells kids not to believe in magical friendly old men with beards.

Maybe he should practice what he preaches.

"We wouldn't just walk into the church during one of his services and tell everyone Jesus isn't real."

That's just genius.

Yes, isn't it!

Don't you ever get bored?

Yet he is naive enough to believe in god!

I think that in a way to many of us, Woppit is like a 21st century Jesus

Junkyard - lazarus

Don't you ever get bored?

He never bores of attention, he revels in it, as this thread will show

Well I certainly find it easy to get yours, eh? What are you, some sort of fish?

Wait til you see my levitation act. Follow me (over a cliff)...

Was this about "getting attention"? I thought it was 'Here's a funny story'... but I am a thick idiot.

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but I am a thick idiot.

I'm not sure I want to actively persuade my kids that something really definitely exists when it we know it does not.

Kids can still enjoy the make believe without having to really believe it, can't they? My daughter doesn't really believe her toys talk to her for example.

Was this about "getting attention"? I thought it was 'Here's a funny story'

Well I certainly find it easy to get yours, eh?

TBH denying it would be like me denying I like arguing ...shall we indulge each others weakness then ? 😛

I'm not sure I want to actively persuade my kids that something really definitely exists when it we know it does not

But 'he' does exist. Maybe not in the specific guise of a single, tangible being that rides a flying sleigh and can cover millions of miles in a single night, and then do SFA for the rest of the year (he even employs elves to keep watch now, FFS). But as a feeling, a spirit of Christmas if you like, then he absolutely does exist. I'm not Father Christmas, but I am a little part of him when I fill my girls stockings on christmas eve and leave teethmarks in the mince pie. Just as my Dad was, and his Dad before him.

When my girls are old enough they too can be let in on the secret and also become part of being Father Christmas. Just because you can't see it or touch it doesn't mean it's not real - otherwise that means hope, friendship, love...... aren't real either?

And yes, you can easily rewrite the above replacing it with religion too. If that's what people need to believe in to live a fulfilled life, I've no issue with that either.

Thankfully, the man in the red suit hasn't instructed us that people who don't believe in him are stupid or wrong, or to be killed for not believing. Just don't be surprised if one day you don't get any presents, you old curmudgeons.

Santa. Jesus. It's all the same.

My parents would put out a potato for the reindeer and a sherry for santa each year. In the morning the potato would have bite marks in it and the sherry would be gone. Santa? No, my parents.

Same with Jesus. Feeding of the 5,000 - that wasn't Jesus, it was Mary and Joseph cashing in club card vouchers to make the grub go further.

Parents will do anything to make us believe......

theotherjonv - I like your sentiment. It made me feel good inside - we need more people like you around.

For me, I am loving the playfulness of having my kids excited about Christmas - we have an 'Elf on the Shelf' that they rush downstairs to find each morning and they are singing beautiful Carols all the time at the moment.

And yes, you can easily rewrite the above replacing it with religion too. If that's what people need to believe in to live a fulfilled life, I've no issue with that either.

Does Jebus like mince pies too?

In our house Santa liked a can of Best Bitter. Fortunately Dad liked that too, so we usually had plenty.

theotherjonv - I like your sentiment. It made me feel good inside - we need more people like you around.

theotherjonv - amen to that 8)

But as a feeling, a spirit of Christmas if you like

Spirit of Chrismtas = Father Christmas
Man who comes down chimeny = Santa

But as I say, kids are generally smart enough to understand and enjoy the former without needing concrete belief in the latter.

Especially as chimneys are far too small to admit a fat bloke. And we don't even have one. And why does his handwriting look just like my mum's?

Santa has a magic key for those that don't have a chimney.

Well, seeing as (a) I've got bigger things to worry about than the over inflated opinions of a bitter twisted individual who uses any excuse he can to pour scorn on anyone who doesn't agree on his world view, (b) I don't spend as much time on here as I used to, and (c) I could do with the inevitable enforced rest, I'd just like to use this opportunity to say woppit, you're a ****. Happy Christmas!

My son still believes in Santa and loves the magic of Christmas.

I haven't destroyed that happiness by telling him Santa's not the real deal.

So am I not a poppet, Woppit?

This thread is what 😯 and 🙄 were invented for.

I can't take the credit, I'm paraphrasing something my wife read me on the subject of when the time comes to tell our eldest that Santa isn't 'real'. When she's old enough to understand that we're all Santa, and hopefully before some misery**** gets there first.

All zealots are boring

Do you have any children Mr Woppit?

theotherjonv is spot on. Beautifully put.

Santa has a magic key for those that don't have a chimney.

Seems improbable. Sceptical toddler is sceptical.

theotherjonv, paraphrasing or not, well said.

Hear hear.

I think what I find most disconcerting about this thread is Mr Poppits obvious delight in children's unhappiness.

What a tosser.

Take it the OP doesn't have kids?

I think what I find most disconcerting about this thread is Mr Poppits obvious delight in children's unhappiness.

What a tosser.

Again, was that [i]really[/i] his motivation for posting the story?? It was all over the front of the shitty tabloids this morning, was that their motivation too?
WTF has not having kids got to do with it? I've got a kid and thought it was bloody funny. Unlike some posters on here.

Thing is though Dez, it wasn't your kids geting upset was it?

Especially as chimneys are far too small to admit a fat bloke. And we don't even have one. And why does his handwriting look just like my mum's?

[i]Thing is though Dez, it wasn't your kids geting upset was it?[/i]

Ah,I get it. So you're blaming Woppit for posting this thread - kids will read it and find out the truth. Either that or it was [i]your[/i] kids we're laughing at. Oh don't fickin know. Told you I was thick.

Thanks OP. You've ruined Christmas for me.
You could have put *spoiler* in the thread title.
Is it confirmed then? There definitely is no Santa?
😥

So chimneys pose no problem to him, thank *g*od

Why doesn't he leave it in a wheelie bin or in the back garden like the Yodel man? Would be a lot faster.

Again, was that really his motivation for posting the story?? It was all over the front of the shitty tabloids this morning, was that their motivation too?
WTF has not having kids got to do with it? I've got a kid and thought it was bloody funny. Unlike some posters on here.

Well, the fact that he posted about a dozen smileys right at the start would suggest to me that he finds the kids unhappiness amusing??

Jonv - that was the best evocation of the meaning of Christmas ive ever read.
may i borrow that please?

Of course, but like I said, I 'nicked' it from something my wife read to me. So to be fair, here's the link to that piece which while the sentiment is spot on, is overall imho a bit cloying and american, so feel free to paraphrase your own version too.

www.cozi.com/live-simply/truth-about-santa

yes. well paraphrased then Jonv.

As for Mr Woppit, I to missed the fact that he was trying to ruin christmas for all the children.

A funny story that I had seen elsewhere first. Not sure why the op is getting such a critical response. It is possible to care very much about children and still find humor in the things that upset them . Particularly in the inherent irony of this story. I see irony both in the way the representative of one belief system that hijacked the winter festival for its own ends accidentally blows the gaff on another childish belief system, and in the way parents have overreacted and jumped on the outrage bus.

The Woppit bashing is a bit ironic really, people not liking someone's view that doesn't tally with their own tenuous grasp on reality having a go......religious tolerance, bit of an oxymoron really.

Some of the other sentiments expressed e.g. jonv are much more insightful, thank you.

In the meantime treating religions as somehow special and deserving of special treatment moved a step closer to being a thing of the past in this country with the ridiculous row in Bradford between Muslims and Sikhs as to whose dietary quirks are more important and many mainstream religionists getting upset because the church of scientology is now officially a religion and will qualify for tax breaks and everyone knows that is a made up religion 🙄 Fine line to walk there.

Anyho happy wintervall.

Can we just clear something up? Knowing Santa is make believe does not in any way ruin Christmas for kids.

just like to use this opportunity to say woppit, you're a ****.

Thanks, barns. You [i]could[/i] just forgive me, though eh?

Happy Solstice.

Can we just clear something up? Knowing Santa is make believe does not in any way ruin Christmas for kids.

True, but allowing the younger ones to believe until they're old enough to understand who 'he' really is, instead of having their belief and wide-eyed joy in the myth of Santa smashed in front of them - is that so harmful? Is that the world we want for our kids, because if so I'm even more depressed.

It doesn't take much to push all the money and commerce aside and enjoy all that Christmas really means. If you have kids of the right age, just pause and look and listen to them at this time. They'll give you the answer about what Christmas is about. Those without, or who don't want to play along, don't ruin it for those of us that do.

Well, seeing as (a) I've got bigger things to worry about than the over inflated opinions of a bitter twisted individual who uses any excuse he can to pour scorn on anyone who doesn't agree on his world view, (b) I don't spend as much time on here as I used to, and (c) I could do with the inevitable enforced rest, I'd just like to use this opportunity to say woppit, you're a *. Happy Christmas!

Agreed. Woppit you really are a miserable *.

My lad will grow up with the local incarnation of Father Christmas, [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olentzero ]Olentzero[/url], and will probably be glad to find out he's not real as he's not quite as cuddly as the Coca Cola version.

in Berastegi if the children did not want to go to bed, a sickle would be thrown down the chimney and the children told that Olentzero would come to cut their throats if they didn't go to bed.

in Larraun he was called Ononzaro and said to have three eyes and usually depicted as a drunkard dressed like a scarecrow.

Can we just clear something up? Knowing Santa is make believe does not in any way ruin Christmas for kids

Knowing Santa isn't real may not ruin Christmas, but may create an adult who is the metaphoric equivalent of a physics text book as apposed to a classic novel..

Regardless of Mr W's motives, it is the irony of a vicar commenting on the non-existence of Santa that makes me smile...

The attitude of some of the religionists is quite telling though - probably best not to feed the troll 🙂

Anyway I'm off to the village Christmas Fayre where curiously both Santa and little baby Jesus seem to be co-'existing' happily...

Children do not believe everything adults say and enjoy a world where fantasy and reality coexist . Lots of their stories and games include things that adults cannot see and do not believe in . Having some older kid or vicar tell them Santa does not exist is not going to ruin things they have the proof of his existence every year. I can recall from as soon as I was old enough to play out and talk kids virtually tripping over themselves to break the news. I still had a belief especially since I never got a present off my eldest brother but always got one with a signed tag from Santa.

Agreed. Woppit you really are a miserable ****.

I'm not sure he's miserable actually. Spiteful perhaps. Unable to empathise with others maybe. Desperate for attention and self amused definitely. The thread title is deliberately provocative but as usual there's nothing surprising, original or thought provoking from the OP, simply an egocentric digest on the same old dogma. As I mentioned earlier, all zealots are boring and on the subject of religion, unfortunately, Mr Woppit is no exception.

[s]he is going to be gutted we are all discussing him [/s]

You made christmas for him and he is rejoicing 😉

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[url= http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/21-vintage-postcards-of-krampus-that-will-haunt-your-dreams ]see more vintage postcards of Krampus here[/url]

I love childrens imagination and think they should be left to enjoy it as much as they like

Hang on. If you ate presenting Santa as fact then it's nothing to do with imagination is it? It's not make believe any more.

I love fantastic stories and so do my kids, but we don't have to think they are real. Would be a little weird if we did tbh.

Wow. And I'M the bad guy?

I don't believe in Mr Woppot

It doesn't take much to push all the money and commerce aside and enjoy all that Christmas really means. If you have kids of the right age, just pause and look and listen to them at this time. They'll give you the answer about what Christmas is about

Hang on a minute. Kids love Santa because they get presents from him. So how can you appreciate Santa without thinking about gifts?

That's not to say that the gift giving is bad or materialistic though. It needn't be if you do it right.

Anyway crankboy has it right. Fantasy and reality are pretty blurred for kids. Who cares if Santa's real or not? That is how the game is played in our house. It's done with a wink and a smile not with actual deceit.

[quote=molgrips said]Anyway crankboy has it right. Fantasy and reality are pretty blurred for kids. Who cares if Santa's real or not? That is how the game is played in our house. It's done with a wink and a smile not with actual deceit.

Ah - so you don't actually tell them that Santa brings them presents, and get them to write letters to him then? Or is that not deceit?

I told them Santa brings gifts, yes, but I won't be going to great lengths to maintain it as fact like some people seem to, and I think she already knows it's a game. I don't want her to be crushed if someone tells her it's not real.

Mr Woppit - Member
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