esselgruntfuttock
I know of 3 couples who either have or are retiring to Spain, 2 that have already & one that has bought place to go to next November.
None of them are the least bit arsed about Brexit or the effects on them in Spain.
No,I bet they aren't as they are probably allowed to stay there even after Brexit.
Now I had some vague idea of doing similar one day. Perhaps even encouraging my lad to move over there at some point.
That option has now been removed from me and my son's life.
Thank God the 3 couples you mention aren't worried by Brexit though, eh? Like many expats they probably had the hypocrisy to vote Leave too.
There’s just no point arguing with Jamby on this topic.
It’s just page after page of lies, deliberate mis-interpretation of data, sprinkled with a hefty garnish of outright bullshit. He rarely pasts anything truthful, and when he does actually provide some figures (like that graph on the other thread), it becomes very apparent that the only argument they support is the one he’s trying to counter. Either that, or they stop before the time about which he’s trying to make an argument.
It’s just page after page of lies, deliberate mis-interpretation of data, sprinkled with a hefty garnish of outright bullshit. He rarely pasts anything truthful, and when he does actually provide some figures (like that graph on the other thread), it becomes very apparent that the only argument they support is the one he’s trying to counter. Either that, or they stop before the time about which he’s trying to make an argument.
this post Brexshit world is a weird place. Sounds like Jambas has joined the remoaners*. What’s next?
* at least they should be more welcoming now - one of their own
Those retirees to spain are going to be affected when they lose their free healthcare ad discover that insurance s very expensive
Jamba is just someone many of us disagree with, and who really doesn't put much real effort into backing up his position. Just counter his points and move on… don't get so personal. Also… ignore any other posters who just enjoy shitstirrring.
"Thank God the 3 couples you mention aren’t worried by Brexit though, eh? Like many expats they probably had the hypocrisy to vote Leave too."
One couple didn't even vote! They bought somewhere in late 2016 to retire to. (Now renting the house over here that they used to own, until they go in November)
When I said, 'I hope you voted remain', Steph said, 'didn't even vote, makes no difference what happens, wer'e still ****ing going'!
All 3 couples aren't stupid & have done their homework (Junky may think they are stupid cos theyr'e all prison staff!)
essel - so what are they going to do when the healthcare reciprocal arrangements end and they have to get health insurance?
"Jamba is just someone many of us disagree with, and who really doesn’t put much real effort into backing up his position. Just counter his points and move on… don’t get so personal. Also… ignore any other posters who just enjoy shitstirrring"
Having also communicated with him off forum I believe that he really believes the nonsense and he is not provocative. Unlike THM whos only intention is to belittle and infuriate and ninfan who just wants to pick an fight
"essel – so what are they going to do when the healthcare reciprocal arrangements end and they have to get health insurance?"
They've already taken health insurance out, or so Steph said last time I saw her which was admittedly last Autumn. Dunno if anything's changed since then.
Also I'm not sure if they bought the house just before or just after the referendum (if it makes any difference) but it was around that time.
I'll see if I can catch up with her on FB chat & delve a bit.
[interesting to note on both threads which parties combine posting lies on relevant facts and on individuals who point that out at the same time. My last point on this thread. Leave it to the abusers and those making stuff up]
essel, there are alternative views on healthcare in the EU after Brexshit.
“don’t get so personal.”
It was his posts I was savaging
THM: try harder, that was pathetic even for you
I campaigned for, donated to and voted Leave. In the press’s parlance I am a Brexiteer and favour WTO exit in 2019. We pay nothing to the EU for any transition nonsense.
But that then ?
Most specifically what are you personally going to do with WTO trade?
What is your detailed business plan?
I mean you personally... because lots of rhetoric is bandied about that WE (the UK) can do all sorts of wonderful stuff but this is all about possibilities than someone can ... not anything that could pass a an actual business case.
In a way it's like fantasy shopping with someone else's money... unless we/you actually have form plans about how his is better.
“and he is not provocative.”
Oh sure, he’s not as overt in that regard as the other timewasters you mention. But by the same measure, completely ignoring any point he’s pulled up on then posting even more delusional tripe can get a bit wearing after a while.
Also… ignore any other posters who just enjoy shitstirrring.
That's everyone isn't it?
Once we start taking back control and booting out a few mainland people , even if you can stay in Spain how friendly will the welcome be?
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">They’ve already taken health insurance out, or so Steph said last time I saw her which was admittedly last Autumn. Dunno if anything’s changed since then.</span>
They'll be back here leaching on the tax payers as soon as something serious happens that their insurance doesn't cover.
THM why not do the decent thing and defend Jambys posts as factually accurate then. I note you never defend his "facts" ever as you know they are BS
Do you agree with his figure on what we send to the EU?- were anyone else posting such economic falsehoods you would be all over them for the lie. You know and so do we
Unless you wish to factually defend his posts [ even the troll wont try] Shhh the sensible people are talking.
This is why we cant have nice things. This is often how division occurs and how blatantly dishonest newspapers and media channels flourish and direct our futures. An ego at large wishes to be 'right' as opposed to 'wrong', and so will customarily disregarding 'factual' altogether. To support itself it will also mangle context. In short, the ego won't feel either the need or shame to seek independent verification for fear that it 'loses'/is seen by others as a 'loser'.
To further complicate and compound matters, narcissists (group or singular) care less-to-zero about anything other than 'winning'.
care less-to-zero about anything other than ‘winning’
Did you hear this, on Radio 4 this morning?
[b][i]"Winning - isn't it great?" asks AL Kennedy.
But she argues that our "winner takes all" mentality is suffocating democracy.[/i][/b]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09ppz9p
"They’ll be back here leaching on the tax payers as soon as something serious happens that their insurance doesn’t cover."
Doubt if they'd even get seen, not the way the NHS is heading.
Hindsight is always helpful. Following a healthy dose of the stuff, it would have been much better to have arranged for a second referendum once all the negotiations and butt ****ing had been completed. Then, armed with the appropriate information and facts, the great British public could make their final choice and decision.
My suspicion is that the establishment, Westminster, the City and Murdoch have other nefarious plans that require us to not be regulated by the EU.
+1 for Cameron to be hung drawn quartered and flayed. He's a ****.
>THM why not do the decent thing and defend Jambys posts as factually accurate then. I note you never defend his “facts” ever as you know they are BS<
@junky: a sub is only £15, you’d need an Eastern European to do that kind of work for such shit pay.... 🤣
My suspicion is that the establishment, Westminster, the City and Murdoch have other nefarious plans that require us to not be regulated by the EU.
I share that suspicion. It's all about power. The Tories want to "take back control," but for themselves not the UK. Murdoch is on record as saying that when he goes to Westminster they do what he says and when he goes to the EU they tell him to bugger off. As for the "establishment," well. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy