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I need to rant

I just got a speeding ticket through that I was more or less expecting after I was flashed by a camera can last weekend ( in Denmark)

Apparently my license is not valid so it's going to cost me £850

What I can't understand is that I had a ticket about 18 months ago and at was just £100 (100 in an 80 limit kph) and this one I was doing 103kph. Nobody told me I had to change my license then. Last summer I went to the local authority to renew my license and the photo card was running out and I was told that I should renew my UK license as it was easier. Now it's costing me big time.

I am absolutely furious

And yes my last post this afternoon was about idave. 😈


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 3:58 pm
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This isn't going to end well.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 3:59 pm
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Still 14 minutes to edit the last line - or you may suffer the wrath of his bitches!


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:01 pm
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Didn't someone get their Ferrari/ Lambo/ Porsche crushed as a punishment for speeding as they were so rich, a fine was nothing to them and the judge ruled destroying their car was the only suitable punishment?

£850 doesn't seem like too bad a deal for your own incompetence and inability to make sure you're complying with the law 😉


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:02 pm
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Nobody told me I had to change my license then.

Ignorance is not generally accepted as a defence, I don't think.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:04 pm
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How much would the fine be if someone else was driving like your wife?

Is your wife likely to divorce you and tell the press in a few years time when you're an MP?


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:15 pm
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Surely a UK photo license is valid Europe-wide, it has an EU flag on it after all, and the OP did say:

Last summer I went to the local authority to renew my license and the photo card was running out and I was told that I should renew my UK license as it was easier.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:18 pm
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you were caught doing 23 km/h over the speed limit

stop your bl00dy whining and learn how to drive better


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:44 pm
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Didn't someone get their Ferrari/ Lambo/ Porsche crushed as a punishment for speeding as they were so rich, a fine was nothing to them and the judge ruled destroying their car was the only suitable punishment?

I think this was a guy going down to Le Mans got caught doing something north of 200km/h. In the end he saved his Car but was it and out of court an awful lot I think but got the full €1000 fine


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 4:46 pm
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I got caught coming back from Le Mans last year. 1000 Euro on the spot fine and a court case which resulted in another 1250 Euro's. Mind you, I was doing 164mph so I thought I got away lightly.

you were caught doing 23 km/h over the speed limit

14mph over? In a 50? Get over yourself....


 
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I think this was a guy going down to Le Mans got caught doing something north of 200km/h. In the end he saved his Car but was it and out of court an awful lot I think but got the full €1000 fine

Back in 83 ish, 3 of us on motorbikes got done for 213 kph on the Autoroute just South of Le Havre
Got taken to the station and put in front of the magistrate and fined 900ff, which was about £100 at the time, easily more than I earned each week.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 5:00 pm
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So what was the problem with your licence? I was under the impression that they were valid europewide as well. Is it possible there was a time limit in which you were meant to have exchanged it for a local one?


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 5:07 pm
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Rant not fully complete until you pull your pants over your head, squat down, hands placed crIss cross stylee upon your head, blink twice, and proceed to bounce up and down.

There there..


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 5:10 pm
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If you live in the UK, ignore it - do they have any jurisdiction in the UK? Csn they lock you up?

I've got a spanish speeding ticket from about 2006 which i've ignored - it was up to €350 last time i looked

To be fair, i've not tried hiring a car in Spain since i was there - i''ll cross that bridge when i get to it!!


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 5:21 pm
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Boltonjon, are you sure... http://www.sparksproject.org/Framework-Decision-starts-g.asp


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 5:43 pm
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The problem is that I live in Denmark and I have done for 7 years. I have been driving on a UK license all that time including a ticket 12 months ago when the police didn't say anything about it being an non Danish license.

I've no problem with paying the £100 speeding fine (well, as little as one can have) what bothers me is that nothing was said by the police before and nothing was said when I tried to get a Danish license last year other than that it would take a long time and I needed a renewal of my photo card in a hurry.

£850 seems pretty steep to me


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:04 pm
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The problem is that I live in Denmark and I have done for 7 years. I have been driving on a UK license all that time including a ticket 12 months ago when the police didn't say anything about it being an non Danish license.

You appeared on the Police radar 12 months ago, you probably have six months in which to change to a Danish licence, you didn't and you expect the police to tell you. Ignorance is not a valid defence in the eyes of the law. The 700 increase could well be for not changing the licence...
Just like the British citizenship test, you really should learn the ways of the Danish if you want to live there. 😉


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:08 pm
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its illegal for us to get a uk renewal driving license when were not living in the uk.

you need to pass, in your case a danish test.

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i have the same problem at the moment, i live in austria and my license is up for renewal in august. i called the dvla to sort out something and they said, its illegal to apply for a uk driving license whilst not being a uk citizen. They said i would have to complete a austrian driving test and then have a austrian driving license and no longer have a uk license. i think the whole situation is a farce as i've already proved i am able to drive to standard in the uk.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:11 pm
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They said i would have to complete a austrian driving test

There must be a different agreement between UK/Austria and UK/Spain, in Spain I just exchanged the UK licence for a Spanish one. I'm not 100% sure but my observations of Spanish driving make me think that they might also be given out with Corn Flakes too.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:16 pm
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Piss poor rant, you break the law willingly and then get upset about being punished - 0/10.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:16 pm
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Don't you know that nobody on here drives over the speed limit? Or ever does anything illegal. Ever.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:17 pm
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http://www.kbhkoereskole.dk/english_exchanging.html

Says:

A Danish law, effective 15th. May 2006, requires all non-EU citizens to pass a theory and a practical test in order to exchange your original driving license into a Danish license.

But since as a Brit you're an EU citizen, it says nothing about you having to change.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:18 pm
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They said i would have to complete a austrian driving test and then have a austrian driving license and no longer have a uk license.

I lived in Austria for 10 years and never had this problem.

My UK license was fine all that time (renewed once and posted to Austrian Address)

Was stopped a fair few times (ski resort and loads of police about doing spot checks for drunk drivers)
And they never had an issue.

And they knew I wasn't a tourist, as I worked in the ski school
And knew most of the locals very well.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:22 pm
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And they knew I wasn't a tourist, as I worked in the ski school

Was it your own car? How did you get on with insurance?


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:25 pm
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but did you have the paper or the photocard type??


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:26 pm
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From memory foreign nationals can drive for a year on their foreign driving licences in the UK, after that you require a UK license. Not ure about EU licences through. Maybe the Danes have a similar law


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:28 pm
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thats not the law in austria, but a austrian friend had to do that in the uk when he went there for work.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:34 pm
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When we lived in the UK we were told by the insurance company that my wife had to get a british license otherwise we weren't covered. The insurance company here have my UK license.

There is an EU flag on my license
I still have a UK address (my parents)
The local kommune told me to get a UK one as it was complicated for them
The police issues me a fine last year and said nothing about it.

As I said, the speeding fine is fair enough, I think the rest is over the top.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 7:44 pm
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After a bit of research I have found this on the police website:

If you have been ordinarily resident in Denmark and have a driving license is not issued in an EU / EEA country or in the Faroes, you must within 90 days exchange your foreign license for a Danish if you still want to drive a motor vehicle in Denmark

And this on the European Council website

1. Do I have to exchange my old driving licence for a new Community model licence?
No, the old national driving licences remain valid until the period of validity expires. However, it
is compulsory to exchange the driving licence before the expiry of the validity period. The
period of validity is indicated on your driving licence but can also be determined by the
legislation of the Member State where you live, whatever is shorter. It is also possible to
exchange it earlier by making a specific request. You will then be issued with a new
Community model licence with categories corresponding to those which were recorded on the
old model.

Now I am feeling quietly confident that I can get out of the license part


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 8:08 pm
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This thread is missing something......

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Posted : 14/06/2012 8:10 pm
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Sorry if that is a disappointment for any of you after my display of flagrant disregard for the law 🙂


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 8:11 pm
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Was it your own car? How did you get on with insurance?

Car was bought locally and insured in Aastria.


but did you have the paper or the photocard type??

Paper at first then upgraded to photo card in 1999 to make ID easier.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 8:22 pm
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ok, i just read on the dvla site too, which states its against the law, to have a license issued to you when your not living in the address on the card.

might have to just look the other way lol


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 8:31 pm
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I drive with a french license in the uk since 1996 . had a few speeding tickets and I always reply that I cant send my uk license as I dont have one .


 
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Didn't someone get their Ferrari/ Lambo/ Porsche crushed as a punishment for speeding as they were so rich, a fine was nothing to them and the judge ruled destroying their car was the only suitable punishment?

Reckon you might be referring to [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10960230 ]this[/url] guy: $1m fine for doing 180mph in an 80mph.


 
Posted : 14/06/2012 8:55 pm
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Can Denmark chase you for a debt in the UK legally?

Are you going back to Denmark at any point in the future? Thats when they'd nab you.


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 7:35 am
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Impressive, I dont think I have even ever seen a policeman in DK, not in the west anyway... perhaps I should slow down on those lovely straight roads.


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 7:43 am
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If it makes you feel any better, I got a £1000 ticket (via a trip to court) some years back, purely for speeding.


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 8:12 am
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Failure to update your photograph carries a £1,000 fine and can be enforced by the police under Section 99 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 8:20 am
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I am absolutely furious

Is that old skool for ****ing pissed off to ****ery?


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 8:30 am
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Surely if you updated to a EU photo card license in 1999, then the photo card part of your license became invalid in 2009 as the photo has to be updated every 10 years. That's regardless of any issues about having a UK license whilst not residing in the UK which would probably be a matter for the DVLA rather than the Danish authorities.

So I would imagine that the fine is actually for an out of date photo card?


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 12:41 pm
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Surely if you updated to a EU photo card license in 1999, then the photo card part of your license became invalid in 2009

That was mine, not the OP.

I updated mine in 2009 when it expired. I have no outstanding fines.


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 12:46 pm
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So you broke the law and got caught - if you hadn't been speeding then none of this would have been a problem - FWIW I got a speeding fine courtsey of Inverness Sherrif Court of £1500, some other daft **** got done for faster than me a few weeks later at the same place and only fined £800! Now that seems to be something ot rant about but I'm not!

Doh! 😳


 
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Surely if you updated to a EU photo card license in 1999, then the photo card part of your license became invalid in 2009
That was mine, not the OP.

I updated mine in 2009 when it expired. I have no outstanding fines.

Doah!


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 12:57 pm
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YOu want to get done in Switzerland:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10960230

Under Swiss law, the level of fine is determined by the wealth of the driver and the speed recorded. In January, a Swiss driver was fined $290,000 - the current world record.

A Swedish motorist caught driving at 290km/h (180mph) in Switzerland could be given a world-record speeding fine of SFr1.08m ($1m; £656,000), prosecutors say.


 
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So you broke the law and got caught
You could try reading the whole thread.


 
Posted : 15/06/2012 1:03 pm
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I haven't read the whole thread but you are right and they are wrong (except for the driving to fast bit). directive européenne 91/ 349 says you (an citizen of an EU member state) don't have to change your licence anymore. Send them a copy of the directive and if they don't drop all the fines except the speeding then make a complaint to Europe. France used to be one of the EU states that got fined the most for not respecting EU law, I wonder where Denmark scores.


 
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I can't stand holier than thou ****s. Bet they were the goody two shoes 'omm I'm telling miss' types when they were at school. Bad luck OP, and good luck getting it reduced. seems very disproportionate, I'd be gutted too. That is all.


 
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Just like the British citizenship test, you really should learn the ways of the Danish if you want to live there.

They come over here, don't learn about our laws, take our jobs, drive like arseholes and then... 😉


 
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Last summer I went to the local authority to renew my license and the photo card was running out and I was told that I should renew my UK license as it was easier.

Quoted for relevance and widescale ignoredness.


 
Posted : 16/06/2012 12:21 am
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As a expat I had a similar experience but without the speeding issue 😉

If I understand your story correctly you renewed an expired British licence and did not change to a Danish licence at that time.

Here in Belgium you are entitled as an EU citizen to use any valid driving licence from within the EU, but if it expires then you must replace with a licence local to your official place of residence


 
Posted : 16/06/2012 5:18 am
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It is really quite simple..

You get a written proof from the DVLA you have entitlement to a license and have passed the test in the UK.

You then use this to apply to swap to your current EU locality license, which you MUST do.

You then get a license in the country you reside in.

Be careful, this ain't 1999 anymore Spain and most/many other countries Police and Traffic systems are now linked together. Taffico here in Spain can instantly pull up your car details (insurance, mot, tax) and full driving license details at the side of the road.

-K


 
Posted : 18/06/2012 1:51 pm
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Pay the fine, get it dealt with before it escalates even higher to the point your in serious troubles.

These things WILL come back to haunt you.

No knowing is no defense if your pulled into court, some countries may instantly impound the car your driving if stopped, so make sure its yours before dropping your s**t on another. Any insurance cover on expired or not registered licenses will be invalid, think about the 3rd party possible liabilities with that should you have accident that harms another person/property.

-K


 
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Impressive, I dont think I have even ever seen a policeman in DK, not in the west anyway...

Me neither, never see any police unless we go across to Sjælland.


 
Posted : 18/06/2012 2:06 pm