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I get ยฃ60,522. I am considerably richer than yaw!
No, it's just that I remembered we were working in pennies ๐
Oh.
In that case we are both equally wealthy. Which is good, as there'll be no jealousy/guilt/resentment. ๐
maths is right or wrong
well it tells us the rules of maths have been followed but you cannot prove its axioms- see Godel
you also get paradoxes such as Russels on sets
Excellent, does that mean you won't give me any more Chinese burns?
Yay - a 5 page argument about eff all ๐ i
the answer is 42 BTW
Can it be -26?
No
2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2-2+2 x 0?
I'm not reading any more of this crap, but what it comes down to is:
Is that 2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2-2+2 x 0? <no brackets>
or (implied) (2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2-2+2) x 0 <ie cheating putting in brackets whereever the flip you want>
or (implied) 2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2-2+(2 x 0)? <where brackets should go according to rules>
for those who didnt go to school: implied is the big deal.
If you didnt pay attention in school - Pick A or B. Others feel free to pick C. Them is the rules.
Strangely I did really bad in school. But I got a real interest in this since!
Yes it is.Or should I say....
Yes (it is).
๐ nicely done.
Actually it was terribly done. We all agree you do the brackets first. So he just said "it is Yes" which only makes sense if Yoda you are. Hmmmmm? ๐
elfin, can I just check - are you relying on "elfin is always right" for this argument?
It's all he has left.
I've manaeged to get to the age of 50 have 3 degrees (2 at Masters level) and I've never heard of this BODMAS thing before.
That's what I love about STW - you learn something new every day (most of it is utter crap though).
Actually it was terribly done. We all agree you do the brackets first. So he just said "it is Yes" which only makes sense if Yoda you are. Hmmmmm?
Well I wasn't geeky enough to know this. It still made me laugh.
Philby - Member
I've manaeged to get to the age of 50 have 3 degrees (2 at Masters level) and I've never heard of this BODMAS thing before.
I'll bet they were all BAs/MAs rather than proper degrees? ๐
I have a BA and an MA, and I know the answer is 26 (amongst other stuff).
If you're going to be wrong, may as well be properly wrong....
It's 9567.94 and a third....
DrP
aracer - MemberI have a BA and an MA, and I know the answer is 26 (amongst other stuff).
Really?
You lot had a maths argument last night?
This is priceless.
I still think that putting a space either side of the 'x' in the thread title and not around the '+'s implies a precedence (or brackets) that some are saying isn't there.
+1=200
to redress the balance in the interest of statistical relevance (and the original post) the answer is 30
28: 44,870 votes
26: 532,475 votes
30: 60,095 votes
0: 800,597 votes
by the way, i [u]read[/u] the question to a mathematical type friend and he said the answer was 0. so if its on paper you can get all clever clogs with it. if you process it at each stage you cant.
still sticking with 30 by the way and no you cant see my workings
So, if I have 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 (etc. posts) X 0 (pieces of useful information). How much useful information do I have?
Is that recurring?
Wtf? I dunmo who is more stupid, those who got it wrong or those who argued about it for 6 pages?
I work in research finance and got this wrong
*hands self P45*
wow!
Not going to read the whole thread, but the answer is 26.
For those who need a reminder back to their school years (this may have already been covered in the thread).
When approaching a calculation you need to remember BODMAS.
You approach the calculation in the following order
B - Brackets first
O - Orders (ie Powers and Square Roots, etc.)
DM - Division and Multiplication (left-to-right)
AS - Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right)
So in this sum:
B - no brackets, move on to
O - no orders, move on to
DM - 2x0 = 0, move on to
AS - 2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2-2+0 = 26.
GrahamS I sort of luv you all because of it!!
I got it wrong, but I've learned about BODMAS!!
26 - IT Manager
I still think that putting a space either side of the 'x' in the thread title and not around the '+'s implies a precedence (or brackets)
i suspect that in the original draft there may well have been brackets in those spaces but the legal team insisted they were removed to avoid any ambiguity
I still think that putting a space either side of the 'x' in the thread title and not around the '+'s implies a precedence (or brackets) that some are saying isn't there.
In the corner with Elf, my lad.
I think this thread just goes to show you're an idiot if you write a sum like that and don't write the brackets in.
It's just intentionally ambiguous and should not be seen outside of maths lessons.
[i]I think this thread just goes to show your an idiot if you write a sum like that and don't write the brackets in. [/i]
Or, indeed, a sentence using your when you meant you're.
[i]
In the corner with Elf, my lad[/i]
*shuffles off, secretly pleased to be (at the age of 46) called 'my lad'*
I remember being taught this (BODMAS) when I was 11. It's not particulary tricky. Although, in fairness, this type of sum is now normally paranthesised to cater for those not paying attention at the back.
And FWIW, 26 - IT manager
Really?
Yes - I really know the answer is 26, and I really know other stuff.
26 (though I initially hovered over zero, before the creaking doors of my mind re-opened to prep school BODMAS, as taught by Mr Bond).
Lawyer.
I'd never heard of BODMAS. Did they have it back in the seventies?
Oh my days.
If he's not stropped off to smoke cigs because the nerds have beaten him up.... try just typing it as written into excel and see what answer you get...
Excel is always right. Accountant.
0. Former airspace engineer. See those planes buzzing around in the sky, i did rather alot of design work on the wings (civil) and weapon systems (military). Be afraid.
GrahamS I sort of luv you all because of it!!I got it wrong, but I've learned about BODMAS!!
Yay! Someone has learned something. AND a pretty girl talked to me. About Maths!
My day is complete. ๐
I know its 26, but still think that maths needs proper punctuation like that writing stuff.
Is this the perfect STW thread?
1. Deviation from MTB
2. Interesting question (albeit it with hidden trap)
3. Evidence that threads can be misinterpreted (the zeros, read this as an oral question, the 26s as a written one)
4. Errors
5. Debate
6. Abuse
7. Defensiveness
8. Bigotry
9. Ya, boo, sucks
10. Finally humour
0. Former airspace engineer. See those planes buzzing around in the sky, i did rather alot of design work on the wings (civil) and weapon systems (military). Be afraid.
It does beggar belief that higher education and high grades does not result in the correct answer though!!
It's just intentionally ambiguous and should not be seen outside of maths lessons.
It's not intentionally ambiguous, it's perfectly clear.
But: given the failure rate for the question [b]written[/b] down, I'd probably put brackets in.
And: if you read the question to someone [b]out loud[/b], the answer would be zero.
But: given the failure rate for the question written down, I'd probably put brackets in.
I have to admit, speaking as a software engineer, I would ALWAYS put brackets in anything like this. Not because the computer needs them, but because I know my fellow engineers [s]are idiots[/s] may not have had their coffee when they read it ๐