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Plus we’re currently in a trade *and* political union with a couple of dozen countries who don’t have state owned health services and it hasn’t killed the NHS.
Not sure you know how this works. Simply having a deal with a country doesn't guarantee the NHS dies - obviously not.
But in this particular instance, post-Brexit we will need trade deals with lots of countries as soon as possible, since we will have NO trade deals of our own. We will essentially be desperate. Everyone else knows this and will be able to force us to accede to their terms. They will hold all the cards. Their terms will include rules that allow them to sell preferentially to the NHS at higher prices. This is something they've been trying to do for years, AFAIK, although I do not know the details of how it would work.
And there we have it. Anyone still want to claim there isn't ingrained bias in the MSM, and especially the BBC towards Johsnson? A total ******* stitch up.
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1199697628545650688?s=20
It's handy when someone starts off:
Right. I’m going to call it.
It is a pretty good indicator that what follows is a cloud of heffer dust, so you can save time by not reading it.
Anyone still want to claim there isn’t ingrained bias in the MSM, and especially the BBC towards Johsnson?
Johnson being a no show isn’t a sign of ingrained bias though, is it. He’s a no show on Friday as well. As is Corbyn. How do those organising the TV events force them to attend?
And isn't the BBC presently reporting that 'no government ministers were present' at the meetings about the NHS that the labour party are reporting on?
Erm... yes... except Liam Fox, the secretary of state for international trade, who was present at all of them.
Does he not count, then?
Anyone still want to claim there isn’t ingrained bias in the MSM, and especially the BBC towards Johsnson?
Eh? If the BBC was biased towards Boris, wouldn't he be willing to do the interview? Surely the fact he's not doing it indicates he's expecting a grilling?
From the Grauniad:
Labour source tells me BBC informed them Boris Johnson would do an Andrew Neil interview next week.
Turns out no such agreement had been reached.
If Tory leader isn't subjected to same scrutiny as Mr Corbyn, but his team was told he would be, that's a problem for the BBC. https://twitter.com/RobBurl/status/1199461520780021760 …
Eh?
You don't think there's anything wrong in the supposedly impartial national broadcaster interviewing candidates with their most aggressive and difficult interviewer before ensuring they'd also be interviewing the PM? If they didn't have the commitment of Johnson they shouldn't have broadcast the other interviews. This is even more the case when you see how Neil conducted the interviews. It's bullshit, plain and simple.
Eh? If the BBC was biased towards Boris, wouldn’t he be willing to do the interview?
In a fair representation type of way you would expect for all the interview to be lined up and agreed before any of them took place. Unless Andrew Neil is going to empty chair Boris.
How do those organising the TV events force them to attend?
And now we have people who have been complaining that Corbyn can’t get airtime (which was always bogus) saying that his interview shouldn’t have been broadcast if Johnson is going to no show.
Any doubt now? The BBC are not impartial. Not only that but it appears they have actively misled the labour party.
https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1199722617156100097?s=20
Hmm… Johnson’s people say he’ll show… and row back on that after seeing Sturgeon and Corbyn being interviewed, and are now avoiding setting a firm date? Seems far more likely than the “BBC” deliberately misleading Corbyn’s team for whatever reason you have whirling around your tinfoil encased brain.
Kelvin - they don't; how can they?
I'm sure there will be attempts at behind the scenes persuasion and public embarrassment.
As for Kerley's comment, wouldn't it be great if Neil empty chaired Johnson? What about Johnson being represented by a puppet?
A puppet of a chicken?
They are technical talks, from non-political negotiating teams, exploring each others’ systems, and indicating areas for future discussion.
Whatever. There are pretty damning comments regarding what will be and what won't be acceptable and/or necessary. A couple interesting points here regarding regulations and custom union/single market.
https://twitter.com/thatginamiller/status/1199708734806732805
Hmm… Johnson’s people say he’ll show… and row back on that after seeing Sturgeon and Corbyn being interviewed, and are now avoiding setting a firm date?
Hm. If he tries to put it off and ends up succumbing to pressure, his will be the last one, and if it's bad it'll be what people remember going to the polls.
May tried avoiding everything. It didn’t really work that well for her. I expect he’ll do it, but Cummings will have a whole series of dead cats lined up for that day.
How do those organising the TV events force them to attend?
Thats the challenge. What needs to happen is that not-showing gets empty chaired with a tub of lard and just a series of accusations gets read out for 30mins, presented as facts as they won't turn up to defend them. It needs to be a huge disgrace to be seen avoiding something like this.
Because the govt isn’t/wouldn’t be capable of doing it. Otherwise it would already be forcing change on the private companies through legislation and oversight. Govt’s of either colour over the last 20 – 30 years, I am referring to.
Boomer, we kind of did this when the openreach thing came up, but look at the recent history ( 10 years ) of the East coast line. I work in private industry. Some of it is really shitly done. This idea that public sector: bad, private sector: good, is absolute bunk. Particularly when the taxpayer gets to carry the risk and the private sector gets to trouser any profits.
Bxp ltd really hurt labour by pulling out of Tory seats
https://twitter.com/harrytlambert/status/1199728255433093121?s=19
Constituency level polling out later tonight is going to show some worrying things for labour I reckon
binners
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You what? It couldn’t have worked better!
It literally, mathematically, didn't work at all. Corbyn wasn't elected by the entryists, their scheme failed completely, all they did was give money to the Labour party. Sorry, just facts.
Don't know if he's Cummings or goings?
https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/status/1199776212769525760?s=09
Kimbers^^^ re Cummings.
Too little information to assess relevance/importance.
If he has resigned as SPAD in chief, has he cut all links to tories?
He can resign but continue as before.
Who knows?
As for Bouton's reporting of Johnson opting out of Neil interrogation, that's much more significant than Cummings and can be used by all other parties to score points - and by media to challenge tory talking heads.
If he has resigned as SPAD in chief, has he cut all links to tories?
He can resign but continue as before.
.....but can now say whatever the hell he likes as he’s no longer bound by rules of electoral purdah.
Classic Dom.
Anyone still in doubt? I mean it's not like there's anything important to report, like selling of the NHS or avoiding scrutiny by journalists.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1199780448056041472?s=20
perchy - I doubt Cummings has ever regarded himself as being subject to any rules, let alone just Purdah.
About Cummings from BBC news website....'However, the BBC has confirmed with the Cabinet Office that he resigned as a special adviser at the start of the campaign - along with all the other special advisers - as a formality.
Stepping down at that point meant he would be able to campaign without breaking any rules.'
in other words, nothing to see here.
Yeah constituency polling doesn't look good for labour
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1199810742016466944
Just been listening to John Curtice comment on MRP/YouGov poll; poll size c100k so statistically valid.
Bleak.
Needs major cock-up by Johnson and stellar performance by Corbyn to recover lost ground - provided, as always, that poll results are (relatively) representative.
If Johnson avoids Andrew Neil that will massively help tory cause.
Corbyn needs to find new front on which to attack - and at same time maintain pressure on tories known weak spots and lies.
Disappointingly, LDs appear to be going nowhere in terms of seats although they may be winning more votes
Equally disappointing is that the Greens appear to be making no progress; if there was ever a time when their share of the vote should grow it's now.
Two weeks left and this is not where I hoped Labour would be.
If I was a betting man....£20 on outright majority for tories.
Of course the greens and lib dems are making no headway - we can all see that in most seats voting for either would help the tories. Its an unfortunate effect of FPTP. 3rd party squeeze
Looks like I am on to win one of my bets - that the lib dems end up with less seats than now. Swinson has run a awful campaign which has not helped.
Yeah constituency polling doesn’t look good for labour.
You really think the Conservatives can gain 60+ seats despite a few guaranteed losses in Scotland and Wales?
Looks like I am on to win one of my bets – that the lib dems end up with less seats than now.
Hurrah! Those pesky LibDems are losing support (meaning more Tory MPs)… hurrah! The opposition to the opposition are neutered, and Labour will be victorious as the official opposition for another 10 years…
I think we might well see calderdale flip to labour aswell, for example.
Lots of Labour voters from 2017 still saying they won’t do again this time, but I hope you’re right mattyfez. I’ll be voting Labour.
So if that poll is right I guess the people who said labour should be more pro-remain were wrong? Tories winning seats in midlands and northern leave voting seats, lib dems tanking. Seems fairly clear to me. Probably still enough remain turkeys voting for xmas too. Farage wins again. Oh well.
No, Labour have turned off people on all sides by having a leader that no one trusts on Brexit. People don’t want Corbyn as PM. Get out and talk to people, no matter how they voted in the Referendum, Corbyn is not someone they want to vote into power.
Not so sure, I had a quick chat with a the guy I in the sandwich shop where I get lunch from a few times a week, he's more labour but his constituency is tory/lib dem, he's voting tactically for lib dem.
It's all about preventing a tory majority, and pretty much every one I've spoken to is voting tactically other than the ones who blindly vote tory anyway.
Hopefully this polling analysis makes more people think that way Mattyfez.
Not a surprise leave voting labour voters don't trust Corbyn on brexit as he's promising a second ref with no real leave option. The lib dems tanking seems to suggest many are sticking with labour tactically, but probably not enough. So the story is leave voters voting for the party guaranteeing leave, and most remainers sticking with labour, but not enough to make the difference. Leave wins again, that's not down to Corbyn, it's down to leave voters voting for a leave party. (if the poll is right of course)
There are people who don’t want Brexit, but are still voting Tory, because… Corbyn… you’ll get your head around people having to weigh up many different things they do or don’t want to happen to the UK. They see Corbyn as a far bigger risk to the UK than Brexit (I obviously don’t agree).
There are people who don’t want Brexit, but are still voting Tory, because… Corbyn
Blimey. I'm used to remain mental acrobatics but this is a new trick. I'm sure there are some kamikaze remainers who will vote tory but the number will be tiny. If that poll is right the conclusions are obvious, the country is still pro-leave, and that's why the tories are ahead. The entire tory campaign has been based on this one single issue, and nothing else. If blaming Corbyn gives you some comfort then good luck with that, but it's not that simple. As I've said many times, the public will get what they want and deserve, especially the northern working class tory voters. One thing I'm certain about though, is that if labour lose as this poll suggests, it won't be because they weren't remain enough.
frankconway
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About Cummings from BBC news website….’However, the BBC has confirmed with the Cabinet Office that he resigned as a special adviser at the start of the campaign – along with all the other special advisers – as a formality.
Yep. Of course actual civil servants can't do this, only the party political hacks.
If blaming Corbyn gives you some comfort then good luck with that, but it’s not that simple.
Sorry. Yes. There aren’t people voting to keep Corbyn out. I dreamt it. He’s more popular than Jesus. Carry on.
The reality is, the country is still split pretty much 50:50 on Brexit. Where as, when it comes to Corbyn, it’s more like 80:20 against.