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So I should just shut up and keep my opinions to myself because... socialism?
Good luck with your next 20 years of Tory rule then. Unfortunately I and the rest of the country is going to have to endure it too.
Is that easier if you’ve never criticised Jeremy? If you’re ideologically pure?
Do you get exemptions?
You may want to have a closer look at who the useful idiots really are here...
Who’s delivering Tory hegemony
Clue: he’s got a beard and wonky glasses
I’m suddenly possessed of the urge to buy crayons, eat a pie and vote for Boris.
How very odd?
So I should just shut up and keep my opinions to myself because… socialism?
Largely because, you know, right wing tory brexit... carry on with your corbyn bashing after that's been stopped.
I’m suddenly possessed of the urge to buy crayons, eat a pie and vote for Boris.
You jest, but every thread about sausage rolls makes me peckish...
hardline Marxist agenda
pffft.
So I should just shut up and keep my opinions to myself because… socialism?
No.
But yes, because you’ve turned into a right pain in the arse.
How many times? I’m still going to vote for the useless beardy Marxist ****!
Vote for the Tories? I’d rather remove my own kidneys with a teaspoon
But let’s not be under any illusions that the Labour Party is anything other than an unelectable shambles under that idiot.
He’ll lose this election by more than the last one, guaranteed.
My cat has got more chance of delivering a Labour majority.
Against Boris and this gang of far right sociopaths?
FFS!!!
I’m hungry now. Need sausage roll.
Look, those who are struggling with people who are banging on negatively about Corbyn, we still need these people to vote Labour in the seats that matter. And here’s the rub… most people are overly negative about Corbyn. Get people voting Labour. Don’t bother trying to get them to change their mind about Corbyn. Give up on chasing miracles. Stop Johnson.
Urggh… Gove in the spin room… an approximation of a human.
So... to be clear... when Boris gets his majority, it’s my fault?
Some hobby dickhead on a mountain bike forum? But no blame can be laid at the door of the leader of the Labour Party (peace be upon him) or those around him, for they are blameless
So… to be clear… when Boris gets his majority, it’s my fault?
Stop it. You’re being a wally. It won’t be all your fault. Just a small, unquantifiable amount. But y’know, you’re still pushing in the wrong direction right now.
If this is true what the Great British public want is an untrustworthy prime minister who's not in touch with ordinary people. Do I need say it again?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1196908517434830850?s=20
i feel a bit sick.....
Farage seemed to come across better than any of the big 3. I only joined part way through but he generally answered questions, didn't waffle too much - I mean of course his policies and everything he stands for make me want to throw objects at the TV but as a politician, he's pretty good. At least in comparison to Bojo and Allotment Man
You’d think Labour would have an easy time beating the conservatives given these past years.
Trying to make out that Labour are silly for using $20 Cloudflare isn’t enough is silly, as it literally was. The site stayed up and nothing was compromised.
There was no data breach or significant degradation of service.
So we can only say they had sufficient safeguarding in place.
We can't say the same for arron banks twitter account, hahaha.
Are we allowed to talk about that yet or is the bribery and corruption still a UK state secret?
You’d think labour would have an easy time beating the conservatives given these past years
Indeed. But apparently if you point that glaringly obvious fact out then you’re working for Tory central office or traitorous Blairite scum
Your failure to see Jeremy’s obvious genius is probably some weird character flaw of yours and nothing to do with him, for he is god-like deity, beyond criticism. Like god, but better
Have you ever seen the salt-mines comrade?
But no blame can be laid at the door of the leader of the Labour Party
No it's obviously not your fault, but you do spend a lot of time debunking the so called conspiracy theory that it's the result of the media. You've already demonstrated today that you're susceptible to the simple tricks that results in polls like that above. Anyone who pays even passing attention to the media coverage on politics will see Boris portrayed as 'a bit of laugh' and jack the lad, whilst Corbyn is some sort of shadowy, suspicious figure.
How many times tonight have we seen people comment on his glasses? One eejit even extrapolated that he'd had a stroke and wasn't fit for the job from the angle of his glasses! And you reckon there's nothing going on here other than the paranoia of those of us who can see through it? We're all being played. You can either choose to see through it, or do what they want you to do. And what they want is for labour voters to do their job for them by supporting their narrative of Corbyn as 'un-prime-ministerial' (whatever the hell that means).
for he is god-like deity, beyond criticism
WIth a beard. And wonky glasses. And he dresses scruffily when not on the telly. And spends time on an allotment. And lives in a run-down ex-council house. And rides a bike with a silly stem. All good reasons he shouldn't be PM obviously.
working for Tory central office
Please. They aren’t going to pay you. More like working alongside the Tories.
How many times tonight have we seen people comment on his glasses?
If any politician appeared at one of the biggest TV events of the year for them, doing some kind of Eric Morecambe impression with their glasses, people will pass comment on it. It shouldn’t matter, and it doesn’t to me, but it’s quite normal. That’s people. Anyway, Binners didn’t comment on that I don’t think.
One thing I noted from the debate is that corbyn had more dodgy camera angles whilst boris was more angled angled front and centre.
But I suppose the BBC have to keep the current ruling idiots happy.
So much for impartiality..
Subtle but obvious for anyone into arts, composition, etc.
But I suppose the BBC have to keep the current ruling idiots happy.
The BBC didn’t film it.
The presenter was key to the layout, she said so this morning. She wanted to be make sure neither could avoid eye contact with her, because she expected lots of evasion from them. Perhaps others should have prioritised how it would come across instead.
Anyway, Binners didn’t comment on that I don’t think.
I never said he did. It was a general point about how the reinforcement of stupid stereotypes peddled by the media have the effect they intend. Yet apparently the media aren't the problem, and it isn't an orchestrated campaign designed to influence how people vote? It's not a secret conspiracy, it's basic psychology and PR. You can either be a participant in that, or not.
Yet apparently the media aren’t the problem
Been done to death. Much harder for a Labour leader to cut through in the media. Doesn’t distract from the opinion that Corbyn is very poor at this part of his job (amongst others).
Well you’ve got 3 weeks to decide my punishment for when I deliver Boris his majority.
Will you decide it at conference? Or just ask Len?
Classy behaviour from the tories: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50482637
Hopefully that stunt will backfire.
That's pretty disgusting really. Surely that's got to breach some standard or rules?
Look Cummings has shown that to win that you have to be prepared to ride rough shot over any soft regulations and their watchdogs. Worry about having to pay minor fines or issue insincere apologies after you’ve won. Our country has nothing robust enough in place to keep this kind of thing in check.
Indeed.
And the Labour Party still thinks it’s a local council meeting about planning permission in Tower Hamlets
Well you’ve got 3 weeks to decide my punishment for when I deliver Boris his majority.
Enemy of the workers, so the glorious gulags for you - where you will be rehabilitated.
DazH, the public getting the government they deserve is only part of the story. They also get the opposition they deserve.
I seem to remember you and others got very upset when I stated that I wanted to see the hardest of hard brexits because that’s what the British public deserve. And that it wasn’t politicians who tricked us into Brexit, it was because the British identity held by the public is rotten at it’s core. The press and the politicians simply court that debased national consciousness.
🙂
Sigh..... I agree with Binners.
`That’s pretty disgusting really. Surely that’s got to breach some standard or rules?
Yes and on top of their recent Keir Starmer edit - there should be an apolitical attack on the way the Tories conduct there affairs.
Same as the Republicans - they are the party of lies.
Well you’ve got 3 weeks to decide my punishment for when I deliver Boris his majority.
An intensive understanding for misrepresenting personality over the country's needs 'course'.
If one's medium term goal is to see an independent Scotland.... this is all going swimmingly. Kind of a Disaster Constitutional Change as opposed to Disaster Capitalism.
I actually wouldn't be into Scotch Independence if we had a more representative voting system across the UK - something that forced politicians to work together instead of blaming another party for every single problem and policy.
So binners ranting will change the minds of people on this forum, yeh right!!
I seem to remember you and others got very upset when I stated that I wanted to see the hardest of hard brexits because that’s what the British public deserve.
The difference being of course that when the public is fooled in a GE they get the chance to change their mind a few years later.
it was because the British identity held by the public is rotten at it’s core
Not going to disagree with you here. Is that the fault of the public or the people who lead and influence them though? Nothing will change until the public become more politicised. That won’t happen until politicians start listening to them, even if that means doing stupid stuff that they want.
Brexit and the next ten years of Tory rule will all be a lot easier to accept if you’ve got a big blanket of pious, self-righteous virtue to wrap yourself up in.
That way, nothing is ever your fault
I foresee a massive Tory/Brexit party shaped coalition. Might have to move to Scotland.
Nothing will change until the public become more politicised.
The public HAS become politicised. There is a reason Johnson used every question last night to repeat his new Brexit related lie.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
This is annoying enough:
“Piffle paffle wiffle waffle........rah, rah, rah, erm, erm... get Brexit done.... rah, rah, rah, make Britain great again....... wiffle waffle piffle paffle”.
Lies, lies, lies.
But the excruciating thing is knowing that this tripe from a serial liar and egotistical pillock is going to be good enough. This will be Jezza’s political epitaph:
“You lost to that tosser?”
The public HAS become politicised.
Yep, by populism.
No substance of course, just a general feeling that complex problems can be solved by being bluff and crass and aggressive. This leads to dark places if left unchecked.
kelvin
Of course he isn’t. He’s voting Labour, and pointing out that not nearly enough other people will be because they have the wrong leader, who listens too much to the wrong people. If you’re in a Labour/Tory marginal, please also vote Labour. I wouldn’t advise going out there trying to get people to want Corbyn as PM though, people do not like or trust him. Focus on how vacuous and tub thumping Johnson is instead if you want to get people voting Labour.
The issue here is that Labour are doing sod all to help themselves.
Other than free broadband which sadly but hopefully will swing voters.
It's a sad indictment of our society that the two most, impressive and statesmen-like people who stood before a lectern on ITV last night were a daft wee lassie with a hat full of spiders and a third rate Irish comedian with a cockroach in his ear.
I thought the only person on stage last night that came away looking half professional was Julie Etchingham. I think it's pretty clear the audience thought that both leaders were pretty useless.Even when given an open goal about trust in Johnson, Corbyn failed to take the opportunity to push Johnson into a corner.
Corbyn looked shifty, and Johnson was a gibbering idiot who wouldn't shut up when asked to, and this is our choice for PM? Great
A quick reminder that you are electing your MP, not your PM.
Vote to keep a Tory out of your seat.
Plenty of us are hoping for a hung parliament that results in both of these leaders being moved on by their parties in the medium term.