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I bet his handlers are desperate to keep him away from that one
I know.
Was there a time when the consensus was he was a great orator ? I'm sure there was.
I mean ... bloody hell.
LBC (Let's Blame Corbyn) is definitely right of centre.
Not so bad as Talk radio though.
That's video clip is very telling. Wow.
He's always insisted on brick instead of cladding. WTF. When? How? (Grenfell).
I suspect a soft interview actually acheives a lot more than a hard interview.
There’s a massive difference between a soft interview and a sympathetic interview though. A right leaning interviewer has no motivation to dig.
(Edit; as evidenced above 🙄🙄🙄)
From today's Grauniad - a piece about Morecambe:
On Tuesday this week, 56-year-old Lloyd Barratt (not his real name) tried to book a routine appointment to see a GP at Bay Medical, using the app. He has epilepsy, a brain aneurysm, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis and irritable bowel syndrome, and needs to see a GP every four to five weeks. There was nothing available before Christmas. “Not an unusual occurrence,” he said.
Barratt is a life-long Labour voter who was planning to vote for the Brexit party until Nigel Farage decided not to contest Tory-held seats. He said he could only support Labour if the party fulfilled its 2017 manifesto pledge of honouring the result of the EU referendum and remains undecided how to vote on 12 December.
This is the sort of prize idiot that gives democracy a bad name. He is himself suffering from the decline in the NHS, ignores the likely impact of privatisation post-Brexit, and is still thinking of voting Tory.
A right leaning interviewer has no motivation to dig
Well there are different levels are 'right' aren't there?
That’s video clip is very telling. Wow.
No, the video clip tells you nothing. Johnson was told to wrap up his long rambling answer with a hand gesture, which he mimicked back with a smirk.
Social media is worse for misinformation than radio or TV.
Agree with Binners about C4 News, they are prepared to call a lie a lie, which is why Farage and Johnson stay well away from it.
No GP appointments this side of Xmas here either DrJ. The Tories promised 5000 additional GPs. England now has thousands fewer MPs, not more. Anyone inclined to believe the Tories when it comes to the NHS this time needs a shaking. The Leave campaigns using the NHS logo and implying Brexit will improve the NHS has utterly perverted our democracy.
LBC (Let’s Blame Corbyn) is definitely right of centre.
The only LBC output I listen to is Iain Dale's podcasts and, in spite of the fact he's a brexiteer and an ex-Tory candidate ,his interviews are straight down the middle and it's very clear he takes pride in that. Even life long friends don't get spared the tricky (but fair) questions.
I'm very suspicious of all claims of bias about interviewers [1]. If they're biased they're doing a bad job. How many of us would deliberately and openly do our job badly to further our political leanings? "Sorry, I put spelling errors in that document because I'm a green party supporter and I wanted to help them." I just don't buy it.
[1] Obvs I'm talking about interviewers who are supposed to be un-biased. Clearly if you're interviewing for the Guardian/Mirror/Express/Mail you're going to be openly biased the way your readers are paying you to be.
LBC (Let’s Blame Corbyn) is definitely right of centre.
I keep hearing this, but I'm not sure. certainly Nick Ferrari is, but the rest of the days broadcasting James O'Brien, Shelagh Fogerty and Eddie Mair could hardly be described as right of centre.
I’m very suspicious of all claims of bias about interviewers [1]. If they’re biased they’re doing a bad job. How many of us would deliberately and openly do our job badly to further our political leanings? “Sorry, I put spelling errors in that document because I’m a green party supporter and I wanted to help them.” I just don’t buy it.
Well if your boss were politically biased (like Sarah Sands on R4Today), it might seem like a smart move.
I’m very suspicious of all claims of bias about interviewers
Boris used to be the editor of the Spectator, Andrew Neill used to/still does (can't remember) sits on the board of the company that owns the Spectator, Dominic Cummings wife writes for the Spectator...I'm going to call bias.
So why is Johnson avoiding the interview?
Neil absolutely is biased toward the Conservatives, and presumably Johnson as well, but he’d still carry out the interview in a stringent way, and pull Johnson apart.
Neil wont let him get away with not answering the question, the way Ferrai is
he's got tough questions from callers, waffled, Ferrari asks him once to answer it then moves on
Neil would push for an answer
Boris Johnson hoping to pick up a pair of balls in the Black Friday sales
You can put your house on Boris Johnson going nowhere near any studio that has Andrew Neil in it, on account of being a spineless shithouse who knows full-well he'd be exposed for the bumbling lying fool that he is
Nobody else in this thread can see how either.
I gave you a suggestion as to how it could work but you seem not to have noticed. I CAN see how it could work.
Sorry molgrips, without details from Labour it is not a policy, and at best we should just discount and ignore it (rather than attempt to scrutinise it).
You can put your house on Boris Johnson going nowhere near any studio that has Andrew Neil in it
Simple solution. Just set the interview up with someone else that he likes, then just as it starts and the cameras are rolling, swap the interviewer for Neil. Watch him either whinge, blow up or walk out on live telly.
So why is Johnson avoiding the interview?
Have a listen to Nick Ferrari's interview this morning. Ferrari is a dyed in the wool Tory, and yet even under his interview tickling, Boris falls to bits like a Jenga Tower. To make it look anything like probing; Neill would have to ask questions that Boris simply won't remember the right answer, make stuff up on the spot to get himself out of a squeeze, or just lie, and I reckon central office has decided that the fall out from not doing the interview is less trouble than going on before the postal votes have been cast.
Sorry molgrips, without details from Labour it is not a policy, and at best we should just discount and ignore it (rather than attempt to scrutinise it).
No I agree it's not a policy. That's exactly my point - people are extrapolating to suit their own political agenda, I'm just doing the same on the other side for a bit of balance, and to point out that their extrapolations are baseless. It COULD be a dog's breakfast but just the same it COULD work out well - we just don't know so it's too early to condemn.
Not a fan of msm or the guardian therefore hesitate to recommend a piece in todays independant but I will.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-election-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-labour-tories-poll-a9223126.html
I keep hearing this, but I’m not sure. certainly Nick Ferrari is, but the rest of the days broadcasting James O’Brien, Shelagh Fogerty and Eddie Mair could hardly be described as right of centre.
Fair point but when you factor in Andrew Castle, Iain Dale, Nick Ferrari, Maajid Nawax (especially fanatical), Nigel Farage, Tom Swarbrick. That lot bring it over to centre right.
No, the video clip tells you nothing. Johnson was told to wrap up his long rambling answer with a hand gesture, which he mimicked back with a smirk.
Social media is worse for misinformation than radio or TV.
So you agree the video clip tells you something? Looked likea grimace to me.
Are Labour really pushing the Andrew Neil/Boris scared thing? They should, you can be sure the Tories would. Also its this kind of thing that gets through to people who are not really engaged in politics.
What has he got to hide? should be the attack line.
Are Labour really pushing the Andrew Neil/Boris scared thing? They should, you can be sure the Tories would.
They already have, pre-election.
It COULD be a dog’s breakfast but just the same it COULD work out well – we just don’t know so it’s too early to condemn.
No, there is literally no way it can work out well. There is no legslative way to solve the problem that that "No-one’s banning casual working. That would be utterly insane." and yet some people are only able to find casual work.
I gave you a suggestion as to how it could work but you seem not to have noticed.
I didn't respond to spare your blushes but let's go: A guy wanting a saturday worker has to advertize longer hours but the worker can work less hours if he wants? What if the worker wants the full advertized hours? Depending on how you frame the rules it's either a ban on casual Labour or no meaningful change to the status quo.
Iain Dale
I listen to a lot of Iain Dale's output, his interviews are not biased, it's very clear he takes pride in being a good interviewer and that means unbiased. He interviewed Anne Widecombe the other week. They're friends and fellow brexiteers. He asked her all the difficult questions an interviewer should. The guy is a pro.
Pro Musicians can play genres they don't like. Lawyers can argue cases they don't agree with and interviewers can ask difficult questions that are contrary to their personal views.
Boris used to be the editor of the Spectator, Andrew Neill used to/still does (can’t remember) sits on the board of the company that owns the Spectator, Dominic Cummings wife writes for the Spectator…I’m going to call bias.
Boris obvs doesn't agree because he's ducking the interview and I suspect he knows better than us.
Not a fan of msm or the guardian
Where the hell did the term MSM come from? Because its bloody irritating. Its not the Main Stream media, its just the media. Same as its always been. The term seems to imply that there's some secret font of wisdom and truth that only a select wise few have access too
The Canary, Skwawkbox and such are not some independent news source. They're as much peddlers of propaganda as CCHQ's Factcheck or the Daily Mail/Telegraph.
Of course there are ways to sort zero hours contract injustices. You have to make it more worth while for emplyers to give people contracts. Carrot and stick.
Of course there are ways to sort zero hours contract injustices. You have to make it more worth while for emplyers to give people contracts. Carrot and stick.
We're talking about the very specific "banning zero hours contracts" manifesto promise.
"sort zero hours contract injustices" is a far, far, broader topic.
Takes a while for the post to stop though, so even if you sign up, you may still get some unwanted mail for a while afterwards
Thanks @nickc but was rather hoping that there would be some written guidance on how many times a political party is allowed to write to members of the public.
And this morning I have yet another LibDems communication persnally addressed to me, am returning it with "not known at this address" scrawled across. Out of all the parties they send the most.
Also in today's post is a personally addressed letter from a "Polling and Elections Expert" urging me to vote for the LibDems. I haven't consented to my personal details being made available to all and sundry so where do I stand with GDPR? Anyone know?
Has anybody else been getting the Facebook adverts from obscure groups? I had one pop up so I had a look into the smallprint about who was funding it. Turns out its a Tory MP, and the Tory's are doing this to exploit a loophole in the law about funding of political parties
I just found this article on it in PR Week
Who's behind the obscure groups funding election atatck campaigns on Facebook?
The Leave team have completely screwed our political discourse for a generation. Not sure who learnt most from the other, them or Trump’s team(s)? Perhaps it’s a feedback loop. (Don’t mention that Putin has used these skills for far longer).
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That’s video clip is very telling. Wow.No, the video clip tells you nothing. Johnson was told to wrap up his long rambling answer with a hand gesture, which he mimicked back with a smirk.
Neither the PM or Nick Ferrari agree with that excuse Kelvin
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1200365066773811200?s=19
And this morning I have yet another LibDems communication persnally addressed to me, am returning it with “not known at this address” scrawled across. Out of all the parties they send the most.
Eventually found out how to opt out of communications from this forest destroying political party. They don't make it easy.
Neither the PM or Nick Ferrari agree with that excuse Kelvin
They both say he was imitating Ferrari. Johnson (and I) thought the signal from Ferrari was for him to shut up… Ferrari says he was telling his producer (who we can’t hear) to shut up.
Look, I consider Johnson dangerous and I’m no fan of Ferrari (to put it mildly) but misinformation needs calling out even if it is aimed at people you oppose or strongly disagree with.
Johnson was not caught on camera secretly signally to Ferrari in order to control the interview. That is either a fabrication, or a misinterpretation too eagerly spread by people who wish it was true.
Britain Elects
@britainelects
2h2 hours ago
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (-)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDEM: 13% (-1)
BREX: 4% (+1)
GRN: 3% (+1)
via @PanelbaseMD, 27 - 28 Nov
Chgs. w/ 22 Nov
What sort of lead might take us into hung parliament territory? Earlier this month a Conservative source told The Sunday Times: “If you’re in the seven to 10 range it’s squeaky bum time.”
Polls seem to be closing. Guardian poll tracker shows an average line over a week, which is still upward for the Tories. But if you look closely at the last week the Tory trajectory is downward and Labour upward. We've had a number of polls that show it could be close enough for NOM.
Of course, the polls could be bollocks plus we have no idea how this translates to seats. So.. *shrug*
Out of all the parties they send the most.
Labour around here. This morning I had the 5th brouchure to go with the two personal letters from 'our prospective candidate'
It's one in the recycling bin with the Tory "We'll deliver Brexit" threat I got this morning.
Not sure if this is a general tactic but I just had a very nice Labour campaigner knock on the door. She handed me a leaflet, asked politely if intended to vote (yes) and then proceeded to politely remind me to read all the various parties manifesto's as she felt this year more than most, thats it is import to understand whats on offer and to make my own mind up based on that.
No hard sell at all, made me feel a tiny bit happier for politics.
I’ve just arrived home to my postal voting forms and also a personally addressed letter from the nicotine-stained man-frog telling me to say no to a second referendum and yes to a real Brexit
Sorry Nige but I won’t be doing that.
I do hope lots of people who were going to vote Tory do vote for you instead, split the right-wing nut-job vote, and we keep our labour MP
Interesting comments from Boris' dad today, and the level of contempt he has towards the British public.
Even I’ve watched Disney’s Pinocchio.
[ double checks spelling ]
Quick spelling test in the taxi household got 3 out if 4 spelling Pinocchio correctly. No prizes for guessing who got it wrong 😳😳
What did Stanley say, then...?
https://twitter.com/carryonkeith/status/1200391348957958145?s=21
Ouches!
https://twitter.com/carltonreid/status/1200473223265181698?s=21
^ corker! Lol!
FFS if all these TV election debate (now on BBC) keep going on about climate emergency (we know we know so stop repeating it) I am going to spit into their mouths. 😒
What a nasty piece of work.
Edit: Tosser is only looking for a reaction.
That's not the worst thing Stanley Johnson has said
I'm surprised they let him anywhere near the press
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/1176030499732631552?s=19
Not going to deny the climate change topic but I rather they debate about other details like how they propose to generate more business and create more jobs.
Regardless of the political parties if they cannot create jobs they will Not be elected, simple as.
These politicians (all of them and especially those in govt) have been taking people for the ride.
No wonder this country is going backward if these are the calibre of politicians people have to choose from.
Same faces all the time and yet unashamedly put on the same spin again and again.
p/s: if you want to reduce climate change then stop or drastically reduce consumption. Exporting plastic rubbish to the 3rd world etc ... did anyone of them even prevent that until recently? This has been going for years!
Can he not just be banned? Or other users given a way to opt to not have to see his “contributions”?
Chewk?
I like him, always have. 🙂
He's not harming anyone and he has just as much of a right to his opinions as anyone else.
Yep get over it
Polls are one thing, bookmakers are another (and usually a better place to look)
Tory majority is on average 2/5
No overall majority is on average 2/1
Oh dear.
bookmakers are another (and usually a better place to look)
Bookmakers odds don't reflect the probability of something happening, they reflect the bookies' exposure. So if something is improbable but loads of people are betting on it anyway, they shorten the odds so that if it happens they don't have to pay out millions.
Well, you can open up wide and let him spit in your mouths then. I’d rather not have to read about it.
The treatment of chewkw on here is appalling, it's basically bullying. Remember in school when everyone joined in mocking the dorky kid? That's what's happening here. If you don't want to read his posts then don't read them. It's easy. There's no need to loudly proclaim over and over again about how hard it is for you have to see his content on your screen (even though his last post is entirely reasonable and quite right). The forum is not under any obligation to provide you with curated content specially for you, they don't have to shut out anyone who isn't your mates.
Act like a grownup for goodness' sake.
Regardless of the political parties if they cannot create jobs they will Not be elected, simple as
Nonsense. Have you missed the past 3 years?
Remember in school when everyone joined in mocking the dorky kid?
This. It's pathetic, and classic mob bullying behaviour. If Chewy is guilty of anything it's not engaging in sensible discussion with people, but why would he? He's not entirely dissimilar to a certain other regular poster who is prone to ranting but his treatment is entirely different.
Keep it up Chewy, don't let the b****** grind you down 😉
No wonder this country is going backward if these are the calibre of politicians people have to choose from.
We get the politicians we vote for. Thick politicians, thick voters, it's a destructive cycle. It will change when people stop allowing themselves to be manipulated by the media and politicians with nefarious intentions. The weird thing is though I think you're one of these people who think they've seen through the propaganda, yet you then support Farage. Farage is the ultimate manipulator, so please open your eyes.
I’m amazed that so many of you are happy to accept the ‘spit in their mouths’ comment as just normal discourse.
So are we sensoring people now for not using earnestly polite 'proper' language? Not everyone communicates in the same way, and his comment, whist crude, was hardly threatening or offensive to anyone on here, I can think of much worse. The last thing we need is to turn this pace into some sort of posho debating club with all the dreary and false verbiage that comes with that sort of thing.
Was just out on bike.. was talking about Boris to GF. A builder heard me and said ,"Go Boris."
Yeah , it's minus 3 and you're working on a Saturday. Exactly where he wants you to be.
Tool.
The weird phenomenon of disappearing posts... is there a secret delete function that I don't know about?
Moderators can delete what they want, it’s essential for them to perform their role properly.
Looks like I’m taking a break.
Why did they delete your post then? There was nothing offensive or out of the ordinary about it? Weird!
Enjoy the taste of spittle.
Words, just words. They can't harm you.
Thick politicians, thick voters, it’s a destructive cycle.
It’s also an eye wateringly hypocritical volte face from you. I seem to remember being jumped on every time I questioned the IQ or plain sense of people who voted Leave. Or have voter IQs deteriorated massively in three and a bit years?
It must be stressful having to remember what you have said when you need to flip-flop according to circumstance.
But don’t worry daz, I remember.
Stupid People that voted to leave the EU...how dare you insult their intelligence.
Stupid people that vote Tory...meh, they get what they deserve.
But don’t worry daz, I remember
You are Edukator and ICMFP
Thick politicians, thick voters, it’s a destructive cycle. It will change when people stop allowing themselves to be manipulated by the media and politicians with nefarious intentions.
It won't be changing then will it. People don't choose to be of lower intelligence, people don't choose to have a low competence in analysis of what people are saying and what would actually be best for them.
Politicians should be above abusing that fact and that if anything is what has changed for the worse over the last 5 years.
Interesting event coming up - a Trump visit to the UK
Number 10 worried about what he might say - that could easily be a couple of points off the tories
Edit: Tosser is only looking for a reaction.
Get the Killfile. It'll filter out tossers and non-sequiturs.
Most people aren't too stupid to understand what's happening. They just need to be shown. As I keep saying, education is the bottom line. We need to teach basic economics, politics, philosophy and media studies. Yes - learning how the media works and how it tries to manipulate you is an essential skill for the modern age.
...learning how the media works and how it tries to manipulate you is an essential skill for the modern age.
Absolutely this. Few people understand the difference between opinion and fact and editorial bias. We're seeing deliberate manipulation of people in such a way so that they willingly accept policies that are detrimental to their communities, wellbeing and public services.
Civics should be a curriculum topic too.
Stupid People that voted to leave the EU…how dare you insult their intelligence.
Stupid people that vote Tory…meh, they get what they deserve.
Care to address this daz?
You wouldn’t want to look like you were avoiding scrutiny, after all...
molgrips, PJM. As a sometime Media Studies teacher I've been printing the subject as needing to be on the core curriculum for about the last 10 years.
So far, I've had no reaction that suggests many in education see it as in any way important to helping people function in today's society...
It not necessarily media studies that should be core, but one of a selection of the subjects that involve source analysis and critical thinking, so Media Studies, History, Philosophy...etc
Or evidence based thinking, eg the sciences.
Notice how the post-modernist idiots who got us into this mess in the first place such as Cummings, Vladislav Surkov, Boris - they all had humanities degrees yes?
Can you think of many scientists who have been swayed by or engaged in fake news and stupidity over the past few years?
Or evidence based thinking, eg the sciences.
No, because that's too narrow, not the same thing at all. People who have irrational beliefs cite 'evidence' all the time, they just need to be able to asses the source of that evidence and the motives of the person delivering it. Plus they cherry pick.
We are all taught science anyway, quite a bit, and it doesn't help us deal with politics.
Notice how the post-modernist idiots who got us into this mess in the first place such as Cummings, Vladislav Surkov, Boris – they all had humanities degrees yes?
But also, many of the people arguing for rationality and understanding also have humanities educations. See what I mean? 🙂
What evidence based thinking doesn't give you is the ability to determine the value of sources and assess nuance, which is what you need with all the bullshit we have to wade through.
And sciences are core subjects, so everyone learns a bit of that, just not how to separate evidence from lies, which is what something like history will give you.