Well we wouldn't be winning if Farrell wasn't on the field.
Might not be winning if Foley wasn't on the field either 🙂
Damn that Folau, he's started playing again!
Hask is my MOTM. What a game he's had!
Oh definitely, Haskell has been brilliant the whole game.
Wow!!
Aaaargh! I love George Ford! and Jack knowle! Perfect selections 🙂
Ha ha Dez 🙂 That was some victory for England. I think the management (for selecting the right players for the first time in goodness knows how long) and the pack can claim that one 🙂
Fantastic match, can't wait for the next one. and whoever said Brown is crap is clueless. cheers!
Strange taking off Hartley as Cowna-Dickie's poor throw lost the lineout and could have cost us dearly.
Ford proved he has far more rugby nous than Farrell - making those two tries when the opportunities arose.
Farrell can't be left out because he rarely misses from the tee but let's stop all this crap about "he's the best 10 in Europe" - coz he's not.
A great entertaining match, I was trying to work out if hask was just easily spotted in the red cap utah he was just in the middle of everything
Great win for England
whoever said Brown is crap is clueless
Indeed.
Getting on the end of the Joseph break and throwing the ball away in the offload. Missing the tackle on Foley which was luckily called back. Dropping the ball fielding an easy kick. Being too slow and stupid.
You're right. He's brilliant.
Uh-huh, but 'showing how crap he is' implies he is crap, which he isn't to anyone with a clue. 😛
Ford did have a nice kick for Nowells try, but I'd still drop him. Gave away a couple of stupid pens, a couple of wayward kicks. He's just not accurate enough at the moment.
I think the future of England is with Slade at 12 and Farrell at 10.
Anyone who can't see that Brown is one of the best 15's in world rugby doesn't understand the game.
Yeah, I'd like to see Farrell/Slade too.
A great game of rugby as a supporter. We can count ourselves very lucky Australia where not out of sight beofre Ford came on. Food for thought for Jones on selection and game plan.
If Farrell is in the side its not at 10, he's dull and ponderous and thats the way England are when he's at 10 and we are very easy to play against as we pose a limited threat with the ball.
No, Brown isn't a crap player. He's very good.
At top international level though - he is crap. You want your fullback to be a real gamebreaker. A proper threat with ball in hand. Think Folau, Dagg, Ben Smith, LeRoux, Liam Williams, Hogg etc.
He plays well, tries hard, makes yards etc etc but he doesn't have "it".
He cannot fix a man and give a pass. That alone should be enough to dispense with him.
He doesn't have enough pace. He's improved but it's still suspect. The missed tackle on Foley was partly because he was struggling to get there. Alex Goode has the same problem.
Your fullback frequently is the 2nd last man in attack where extreme pace and the ability to draw the last defender and give the scoring pass are crucial. Brown has cost us several tries in the last 4 years.
Fatty Barnes wrote a good peice in The Times after the Grand Slam saying that if England want to move forward, they need to do so without Brown.
As a short term fixture he's been ok. Long term - no.
Get Watson in there now. He might make some mistakes at first but he'll improve with time at 15 and could be world-class by 2019. If England want to be the best in the world they need to start there.
Brown is a quality 15 but he's not in the same league as Smith. Be a big fight over the Lions 15 shirt with Hogg, Brown, Loopy Liam and maybe a returning 1/2p. Some quality players will not even make the tour!
Talking of actually shit 15's whats the point of Amscombe? About as much use as tits on a snake!
I have no idea what game you were watching jamba. Farrell is miles better at 10 than Ford (presently at least), he just also happens to be our best 12 too (pending slade) which is the only reason Ford is getting so much time.
If Farrell is in the side its not at 10, he's dull and ponderous and thats the way England are when he's at 10 and we are very easy to play against as we pose a limited threat with the ball.
Cipriani? Anyone?
Farrell is miles better at 10 than Ford
Could he have thrown that long pass for Yarde's try?
Would he have seen the grubber through for Nowell?
(The answers are no and probably not.)
Actually, Cips at 10 and Farrell at 12 would work.
(The answers are no and probably not.)
The answers are both an easy yes. Nothing special at all in that pass and Farrell is a better kicker than Ford is so the X field would be easy for him. It's really quite simple; Farrell is a better rugby player than Ford, regardless of what number is on their backs.
Farrell wouldn't have been as flat as Ford and couldn't have thrown the pass as well as Ford either.
The finer margins apparent and higher skill levels required are within Ford's grasp but slightly beyond Farrell's.
You don't make that kick "because you're a better kicker" - you make it because you have the vision to see the possibility and the nous to go for it.
Yes he could. Farrell is perfectly capable of playing flat and of putting players in for trys. He fixes well, as he has shown all season at Sarries. I can't disagree that Ford has perhaps more to natural ability work with but he's been off form all year and hasn't merited his place on the team, where some others have. He plainly doesn't deserve to be on the tour.
Anyways, I think we've done that to death.
Seen this?
Anyhow, back in the real world, we've just beaten a very good Aus side away from home - one of our best results in the last 10 years. For me, it's even better as we started badly and had to adapt.
We should be celebrating not whinging!!
Amazing how so many world class players find it so difficult to tackle our crap 15!!
dantsw13 +1 - I had just finished paying tennis at KO and we watched the first half over coffee. It looked like we were going to be steamrollered. So blood y good away win.
I was still gobsmacked at the late subs - could have bitten us on the backside badly.
[Hogg is a shoe in for Lions 15 - they need one Scot and he isn't a bad player 😉 ]
Oh, and great try Rokoduguni too!! I didn't see the game but I imagine SA A were a strong side.
Looks like George North is out of the tour..arse he was very good today. Faletau again was Wales best player. Hope Bath dont break him next season, one of the best players in Britain imo the engine on him is unblieveable.
Ireland U20s have just beaten NZ U20s 33-24! 😯
Anyways, I think we've done that to death.
Seen this?
Agreed.
Yeah saw the game last night.
Roko was handy.
How is Yarde's defence at club level ? He looked a bit weak defensively to me today.
It will be interesting to see how we line up next week selection wise.
I didn't think Yarde defence was too bad today, for whatever reason the system meant he was outnumbered on the outside a few times but he always seemed to get across and make the tackle.
For those wanting rid of Brown, watch the game from last night and get aboard the Mike Haley bandwagon!
FWIW I am good with Brown as first choice today, I don't see him making it to RWC 2019. If h/p isn't fit/ready he'll go on the Lions tour maybe not as first choice.
I think any lack of tackling on Yardes part was more to do with Kuridrani than Yarde. Such a powerful dude, fantastic rugby player.
Blimey DD - good start from your boys. Hope they can keep this up...
Oh dear. Sorry spoke to soon.
Ouch
Anyone know if the highlights are on terrestrial anywhere?
6 mins worth here, should be more on youtube later
[i]Anyone know if the highlights are on terrestrial anywhere?[/i]
You'll be lucky, what with all that other dull* sport all over the channels
*i take that back having watched the first 3 mins of Wales v Slovakia 🙂
I know, wishful thinking.
Can avoid the dull stuff easily with an 11 month old that likes cbeebies.
He doesn't get a choice over rugby though.
Cheers for the YouTube link
CJ's red - maybe harsh, but an awful tackle.
Great quote from EJ:
We didn't play well, let's face the facts. We weren't sharp in various areas, but we will be next week. They didn't play well, so whichever side improves the most will win the next Test, and that's going to be us.
Bloody brilliant Ireland
Who needs 15 players - awesome effort and what tension at the end.
Possibly enjoyed that more than England's win - ok that's going too far 😉
Wow, Ireland!!! When they went down to 14 after 20 min I thought no chance. SA will be hurting for sure.
Bloody hell see Standers red, take son out on his new bike and miss one of the upsets of the century!
