Would degrade value of tries in the corner and make central penalties nearly as valuable as a try. Thats assuming its still 3 vs 5 + 2. Alternatively tries are a straight 6 or 7 and pens 3 with no conversions
Alternatively tries are a straight 6 or 7 and pens 3 with no conversions
That takes the game even further from its roots, which were to ground the ball so that you could score more points by kicking, I seem to remember. 🙂
Talking about dropgoals, I do think that missed DGs should be treated like any other kick, in that if they go dead a scrum will be awarded to the opposing side from where the DG attempt was made. I hate speculative DGs!
That takes the game even further from its roots, which were to ground the ball so that you could score [s]more [/s]points by kicking, I seem to remember.
You only scored if you kicked the conversion, hence the terminology try.
The back-from-the-point-of-scoring conversion is something I wish was transferred to NFL touchdown conversions, which are all taken from behind the post.
Id like to see penalties reduced to 1 or 2 pts, but with more use of sin-bins for cynical infringements.
As said above, a "touchdown" didn't score any points, it awarded the team "a try at goal".
The beauty of the penalty at 3 points is it keeps team honest in their own half. Nearly all international kickers have a range within half of the pitch. By reducing the points it would encourage foul play everywhere.
A drop goal isn't the same as a kick gone dead, because the ball touches the ground before it is kicked its treated the same as a grubber kick. 22 dropout.
Certainly speed up conversions, give the kicker 30 seconds rather than 60. Stops all of the ritual jigging and grass throwing.
The back-from-the-point-of-scoring conversion is something I wish was transferred to NFL touchdown conversions, which are all taken from behind the post.
In the original game of Rugby Football, tries were scored between the posts so the goal attempt was always taken in front.
Indeed. And AFAIK, in American Football rulebooks, a touchdown is still referred to as a try...I [i]think[/i]...as it also allowed a team a kick at goal...need to check up on that...it has changed a lot since.
How about rugby borrows from NFL and offers an extra point conversion for running the ball over the line instead of the kick? 😀
Indeed. And AFAIK, in American Football rulebooks, a touchdown is still referred to as a try...I think
The ancient St Helens scoreboard still shows Trys and Goals - converted trys.
You have a minute for a conversion,what's that; one re-set Scrum? The climax of the Wasps game has left me a fan. As said, cast your mind back a few years,opo team were going through phases and making ground, somebody would fall over and kill the ball once they were inside the 22. Despite the shoe'ing all it would cost is 3 points. Now it is three and 10 mins,so it has improved the game as you are less likely to do it.
Rugby's gradual decline to chavball gains pace with Watsons 2 weeks for verbal abuse of the 4th official...still at least he will be available for England this summer!!
My pet hate these days is players whinging to the ref for penalties all the time. Biggar does it a lot.
http://www.rugbyonslaught.com/2016/04/nigel-owens-telling-off-parisse-not.html?m=1
. ...agree a_a, and ^Parisse has got plenty of previous too.....
I think that something needs to done about a) the amount of times at penalties/conversions and b) reset scrums
For a) I would just like the rules to apply. You have one minute from the time of the whistle to the time that it must be taken. If the clock is stopped (injury, TMO review) then the whole set up should be done while time has stopped and you have 10 seconds to take it after time has restarted.
For b) apply the rules. Scrums should not push until the ball has gone in and binding must not be on the arm. These are the rules, just apply them. Any prop boring in should get a yellow card. Problem will stop overnight.
And for any player appealing for a penalty. Give one - against them for referee abuse! It would stop immediately.
Watson should have had a longer ban - once you have a card (rightly or wrongly) just leave the pitch. The ref is right - you may or may not agree with the decision but for this match they are never wrong.
sadmadalan + 1
love the nige clip
And for any player appealing for a penalty. Give one - against them for referee abuse! It would stop immediately.
When was the last time you saw another 10 meters given on a penalty too
and for b) Id add straight put in and hook for it.
Anyway, getting all geared up to take Jr to Warriors vs Wasps on Saturday.
Probably last time we get to sixways this season.
Im expecting to get a shoeing, but you never know....
Back watching 7s in the lounge at HKG again! Just seen France hammer NZ. To nil.
A question - is the ball at the 7s tournaments a different shape to 15s? Looks rounder to me (Could just be the strength of the excellent Bloody Marys the barman has been mixing this morning though! 😳 )
- once you have a card (rightly or wrongly) just leave the pitch. The ref is right - you may or may not agree with the decision but for this match they are never wrong.
Larry Dayglo deserves credit here. I forget the game, but remember him being sent off rather harshly. He jogged off, and the only reaction was an almost Roger Moore-esque eyebrow raise as if you say, 'dafuq?'
Take the decision. Get off the pitch.
As the great Nige said, this is not soccer.
Guess the decision in the joke12 this week.
https://streamable.com/uk34
oof. Mind you, as he says, at least he only got hit by a 14. Got right back up again 🙂
Stoner Jr took a bet with Granddad last night on Chiefs destroying Glos by >10. Oh dear. At a £ a point on the spread, that's going to put a big dent in his Lego fund....
What do the STW armchair refs think of young Maxwell-Keys?
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http://www.premiershiprugby.com/premiership/referees/maxwell_keys.php#Yty3hWqJzZFpcvOv.97
He didnt do much wrong in the game last night, it was a pretty rubbish one anyway. Can't help but feel that the matches under him fail to flow though.
Obviously you are all struggling with the McFadden tackle so for reference here is a similar effort of his from Feb...got a yellow.....best thing the **** ever did was get put on his arse by North!
Surely it should be M[s]cF[/s]adden with all those shoulder pads?
Nasty cheap shot tackling there. Not that it's tackling, really.
Anyway the incident from last night was only deemed worthy of a pen...if he was Samoan it would have been a ( quite rightly) a red.
As I took my seat at Sixways yesterday afternoon, I leant over to my mate and said, "I know we're (Worcs) probably going to get a shoeing, but I'm really looking forward to watching Mr. Wade run".
After his second try, I added "I think I've seen quite enough of Mr. Wade now".
He is quite brilliant.
After one of his tries I was left wondering how the hell he got from a breakdown on one touchline to score at the corner of the opposite one faster than the ball that didn't stop moving and doing it invisibly - like the sleight of hand of a magician!
Got to be slot at Rio for him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36029997
A fantastic game in the spring sunshine. Worcs playing some of the best handling rugby I've ever seen at 6ways. Very little in the way of ball handling errors: the interception tries really being as much as a result of the backs working more attacking lines. Just not always nailing them 🙂
And even Mr Doyle had an OK day...except for that forward pass...
The Rugby Paper is reporting that Sale have signed Mike Phillips to replace the retiring Chris Cusiter.
Not sure how i feel about that, he's a good player for sure, but yet agsin we sign a player with 'issues'. It worked out for Cipriani, turning him from damaged goods to a player wanted by the in form club in Europe, but spiky??
I'd be more concerned about his age!!
There is that too! He'll be 34 in August - mind you, Stringer isn't slowing down any is he?
Spiky will be playing 2nd fiddle & I expect to see James Mitchell playing more of a role next season as well.
Stringer is about as different a 9 as you could get. Phillips game is based around physicality which has waned. He'll be ok as back up though I suppose, expect lots of hanbags with opposition forwards!!
Phillips doesn't have issues... he is just small man with small man syndrome trapped in a back row's body 😆 Off the pitch he belives his own hype but isn't that bad really once you get past the swagger. Can't see him being especially great value for whoever he plays for but you could do worse I suppose
Is it Spikey that told his international replacement 'Congratulations you've retired a legend'or have I dreamed that?
Well that's 5 points from Bath thank you very much!
So a couple of questions about laws of the game.
The squeeze ball, thought it was a no no but it's back in fashion. Surely sealing the ball off.
Blockers to the 9 box kick. Deliberately stepping into offside position to block runners from behind the back foot.
Mmmm appears the ref forums discuss the squeeze ball not allowed U18/19. Debate is whether it is bridging or not.
Depends which laws are being reffed that week.
Strangest fixture scheduling ever ?
Top 14 playoff final will be held at the Nou Camp in Barcelona on the 24th June 😯
Capacity 98,000 and I foresee a half empty stadium (came across this as I was searching for tickets / dates at the Stade de France). Explanation given is that RWC pushed season back and Euro 2016 means SdF is not available
[url= http://www.lnr.fr/rugby-top-14/actualités/la-finale-2016-du-top-14-au-camp-nou-barcelone-1 ]linky[/url]
Cipriani double the legal limit when the crashed to the taxi at 5am - "allegedly"
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36072864 ]BBC reporting of court case[/url]
More coverage here including an inference that Cipriani was given an extra 50 minutes to "sober up"
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/18/england-rugby-star-danny-cipriani-arrives-at-court-to-fight-drin/ ]Telegrapgh[/url]
from @CourtNewsUK on twitter (well worth following BTW):
CourtNewsUK ?@CourtNewsUK 2h2 hours ago Paddington, London
Danny Cipriani's lawyer claims the officer who dealt with him at the station was a rugby fan who purposely delayed his second breath test.
CourtNewsUK ?@CourtNewsUK 2h2 hours ago Paddington, London
The officer admits chatting to Cipriani about rugby as they waited for the breathalyser to load but said he wasn't given special treatment.
For all those who think I am overly negative on him this is why he's not selected for England, he's supremely talented but that's not enough
Top 14 playoff final will be held at the Nou Camp in Barcelona on the 24th June
It is a lot closer to the traditional heartland of French rugby than Paris, albeit the centre of gravity has changed alot in recent years.
For all those who think I am overly negative on him this is why he's not selected for England, he's supremely talented but that's not enough
Disgraceful if true but you didn't need this news to be overly negative about him. Seen every home game this season bar Montpellier (Surfer junior was 18 that day) and he has been a model professional, except for his kicking being shit.
I appreciate that and it was probably a big factor but it still seems a bit nuts to me. I haven't checked whether there is a Euro 2016 match on in Nice that weekend but that's nice new stadium although not large. Lyon is hosting the ERC but that's definitely being used.
