Do you lot ever actually talk about rugby?
Well the NZ teams have been lighting it up in Super Rugby. Good bit by BM in the Torygraph about the SH/NH gulf.
Here's a good example:
Keith Wood is good though. Maybe they should have more front rowers on.
No, Fitz, Wood and Pitbull demonstrate that it should be restricted to the intellectual core alone - stick to hookers, the cream of the XV. Clear out the pretty boys - Guscott, Jiffy, Inverdale.
I come at this from a biased viewpoint but whenever I watch SH rugby the game management and speed/ quality of ball from 9 and 10 always jumps out for me. I know the forwards have already done the hard work by that stage but I can't see the same happening here in the same circumstances. I think most of us could pick 3 9's and 3 10's to go on the Lions Tour but none offer anything special or creative in addition to doing the basics very well. Aaron Smith has been on fire this season whenever I've watched him and the quality of distribution is too good/ quick for my NH accustomed eyes to follow on TV let alone imagine playing against! Not just the big names doing it either but skills across the board. just a small part of many NH/ SH differences in approaching the game but something that sticks out for me
I watch SR and wonder whether they employ defensive coaches. It's almost as if they are saving their energy for attacking.
Ah ha, you've been tricked into posting the classic NH reply 🙂
watch SR and wonder whether they employ defensive coaches. It's almost as if they are saving their energy for attacking.
In a number of those cases it looks like they have employed Alex Cuthbert as a specialist wing defence coach!
The difference is the speed at which the ball is recycled and or moved away from contact before the tackle. It gives the 9 and 10 much more time and gaps to run into. Webb and Davies would be devastating given that much space.
I watch SR and wonder whether they employ defensive coaches. It's almost as if they are saving their energy for attacking.
I remember going to the fund raising game Christchurch played at Twickenham after the earthquake. It was worth it for the donation and to see Carter but the score was 45-35 or something and it was actually really boring, my neighbour and I where close to leaving before the end.
@nameaste - that video makes my point 48-23. Is that more interesting than a tough 10-6 ? Not for me
I watch SR and wonder whether they employ defensive coaches. It's almost as if they are saving their energy for attacking.
The SH did all right keeping out the NH in the RWC while still putting some cricket scores in 😕
Think a_a makes a good point on the ball recycling. There's a definite emphasis on keeping the ball alive and fighting to present quickly rather than trucking up and tussling for an extra 10mm towards the gain line before then maybe thinking about getting it to the feet of your 9.
On a lighter note, Drew Mitchell is a bit of a dude.... and now a multiple world record holder
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Dan W - I draw a distinction between SH national teams & SR
[i]it was actually really boring,[/i]
And that's the norm for Super Rugby matches?? Er, no.
I draw a distinction between SH national teams & SR
True, they aren't both one and the same and the way the games go is generally different as things get tighter the higher you go anywhere in the world, but in terms of the culture of rugby and approach to the game there is a lot of common ground (at least comparatively speaking to the NH and our leagues/ competitions). It is quite common to mock SR/ SH defenses on a highlights video but funnily enough the tries will have had to feature a missed tackle or bad judgement of an overlap, etc for the try to be scored in the first place. They don't necessarily accurately portray the rest of the game.
@DanW - JW who ? 😉 enjoyed that
DezB agreed but was just trying to make a point about the one game I saw live and the video posted. The extreme is basketball (a game I used fo play and have watched a lot on tv and live) where there is plenty of scoring but only the last 2-3 mins are really interesting
JW who ?
😆 He was tired after about 5 kicks so it's a wonder he got the record 😀
@nameaste - that video makes my point 48-23. Is that more interesting than a tough 10-6 ? Not for me
Whilst I hate to agree with anything you say Jambalaya - it's a fair point. 😉 I'd probably find Bath beating Saracens 10-6 (unlikely, I know) more interesting than 2 teams I don't care about racking up a basketball type score.
However I watch at least a couple of complete SR games per week and likewise with the AP and, as I know the SR teams quite well, I find the games generally more exciting than the AP.
The bigger picture is that the players, especially the Kiwis, have a different mindset and also the skills to back up their ambitions. Not all the games are 55-45 but even in tighter, low scoring affairs many opportunities for tries are taking with, frequently, a breathtaking display of skills.
A joke 2 week ban for Pocock,I'd have given him six months. The whole system is utterly ****ed!
That's good. I love watching him play.
That's good.
Really, did you see what he did?
Australian internal citing with an England tour imminent - what did you expect? It's the same reason the Aus defence is so good close to the line - anything goes to save a try.
Australian internal citing with an England tour imminent - what did you expect? I
Exactly and this is why I was pissed off about the Marler thing. It deserved a small sanction and he may well get one now but the big picture of how bent the whole system is wont be addressed.
I always thought Pocock was better than that, continues to choke him after they have hit the ground.
[i]did you see what he did?[/i]
No, not until I watched that vid. Saw the match on TV and didn't notice that at the time. Nasty shit that was, someone as strong as him.
Yeah I always thought of him as a good guy but he holds on even after itvgoes to ground
2 match ban and £20k fine for Marler.
Right, that's over and done with now. Moving on....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35973882 - Changes afoot at the Dregs.
2 match ban for Marler seems a bit harsh but will the blazers that let him iff everything the first time round be asked to explain themselves....of course they ****ing wont. Rugby disiplinary procedures need a a ****ing rocket up the collective arses. Had Marler been French or Gavin Henson he'd have got 6 months!!
oooft, £20,000 is a big hit if Marler is personally accountable for paying this
Maybe Marler just brought biscuits? Does he not know it's Ferrero Rocher and two giant Toblerones for a World Rugby hearing?
So much for a minimum 4 week ban - what a crock.
at least the equality charity will benefit, even if no one else does.
how long did Gatts and Lee get for passing it off as excusable banter?
Jordan Williams to Bristol to keep up their non tackling midget ratio when Matt Morgan leaves!
how long did Gatts get?
For what?
Not really a long enough ban, but the fine is substantial.
Had it been Henson they would have just banned him from spray tanning and hair gel, that would have hurt more than any time off rugby
excuse the edit AA 😀
Wonder what Marler earns? When Stevens was banned he was on 4k a week,Marler has lost international match fees for 6N I suspect.
Sutherland got £7k for keeping the bench warm in Italy. So £20k won't be much for a starting prop.
Jordan Williams to Bristol to keep up their non tackling midget ratio when Matt Morgan leaves!
I'm not over the moon with this signing, I wasn't sad to hear that Morgan was off.
Marler's just making a reverse charges call to Panama as we write.
Nah, he's a posh **** - he will get his "man" to arrange the transfer
Lee get for passing it off as excusable banter?
Nice to see you blame the victim! What about The Hask for saying therecwas nothing in it?
AA, so the SOH still hasn't arrived
Lighten up, in the words of your illustrious coach, "its only banter" 😉
so the SOH still hasn't arrived
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So I wonder what the last paragraph will lead to?
Joe Marler has been suspended for two matches and fined £20,000 to be paid to a suitable equality charity in the UK after an independent judicial committee upheld a misconduct charge against the player at a hearing in London today.
A misconduct charge was brought by World Rugby against Marler in relation to a breach of Regulation 20 and the code of conduct, for comments made towards Samson Lee during the England versus Wales RBS 6 Nations match at Twickenham on 12 March.
Regulation 20 and the code of conduct both cover statements that are unsporting and/or insulting and/or discriminatory by reason of race or ethnic origin, which bring or have the potential to bring the game into disrepute.
The charge was admitted in its entirety by Marler and upheld by the independent judicial panel comprising Terry Willis (chair, Australia), Jean-Noël Couraud (France) and Alan Hudson (Canada).
Following a full review of all the evidence, including a detailed analysis of the broadcast feed, referee microphone, statements and submissions on behalf of Marler by his representative Mark Milliken-Smith QC, and World Rugby, the committee found:
1) That Marler had used unsporting and discriminatory language towards Lee
2) That by his actions, Marler had breached World Rugby Regulation 20 and the code of conduct and brought the game into disrepute
3) That Marler was proactive in apologising to Lee at half-time during the match and that he subsequently issued a public and unreserved apology for his comments
4) That Marler is a person of good character and had no similar misconduct charges
In respect of the sanction, pursuant to Regulation 20.10.1 (c), the committee determined the breach was serious and imposed a two-match suspension, and pursuant to Regulation 20.10.1 (b) that Marler pay a fine in the form of a donation of £20,000 to a suitable equality charity in the UK.
Marler is therefore free to resume playing on 18 April and he has a right of appeal within seven days of notification of the full written decision.
Unlike in cases involving foul play, decisions of misconduct cases are ordinarily reserved until the full written judgement is available given their nature and complexity.
However, the committee has taken the proactive step of issuing its short-form, oral decision to provide certainty to all the parties in the interim, given that the publication of the detailed full judgement can typically take a number of weeks.
World Rugby is unable to make further comment during this window.
World Rugby exercised its right to take appropriate action before an independent judicial committee in the absence of such a process by Six Nations Rugby in accordance with the regulations.
@aa change of 6N process to make sure WR cannot interfere again
Henson would have got a 4 week ban from Strictly. Goode would have got 1 week no pudding and that is really harsh
They can't,all refs are affiliated to WR first and allocated to 6N by the panel that answers to WR. They also control the WC/international 7's etc and you have to be an affiliate to enter any of those. Add in the fact that Beamont is on the committee and it will be sucked up.
Argentina to play Australia at Twickenham on October 8th as the last game of the RC. Counts as a "home" fixture for the Pumas.
Nice little earner I suspect.
Nice little earner I suspect.
I hope it is for the argentinian union.
