[Closed] 2015-16 rugby, world cup year

Kryton57 - Member

England lost that game because of Walsh's reffing

FTFY

Everybody knows Walsh was biased against England, it's no even a point to argue.

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Did Wales lose that game in SA when he gave a pen try in the last min due to Walsh's reffing? Clue the correct answer requires you not to be an arrogant one eyed fool.

Oh dear, about the only reason left to visit stw is degenerating into a stupid bickering fest.

Did this thread not start that way 😉

It'll improve again next week after the england wales game and Jamba's subsequent gloating/complaining about the ref

Oh dear, about the only reason left to visit stw is degenerating into a stupid bickering fest.

There was a non-bickering alternative but it fell quiet from lack of interest 😉

England 15 unchanged. Tuilagi on bench. Odd looking team, athletic front 5 and second 5/8 with fast back 3 but a stodgy backrow.

England by 10 unless they try to play wide too much

Haskell? Stodgy? How very dare you!!!

Define "everyone"

Everyone commenting on this thread, except those who don't believe Walsh has a bias against England.

Its not arrogant btw, its just a fact. An arrogant statement would be that I believed England are so good that they would win all competitions where Walsh was the Ref, if the ref were subbed for someone else. It didn't day that, maybe you assumed that's what I meant? I do believe however there's a strong core of people that believe he was biased against England that goes beyond STW. Right or wrong, thats a fact.

subsequent gloating/complaining about the ref

England 15 unchanged

Two actual centres on the bench - not sure what to read into that - but its a first for a long time isn't it?

So "everyone" is a now a strong core of English rugby fans who mostly only watch internationals and generally dont have a clue.

No A-A it was widely reported about the issues between England and Steve Walsh from 2003 onwards...
so [i]everyone[/i] would be anyone who read about Rugby from 2003 onwards.
Of course he's a hero in Wales for refereeing their grand slam year...
😆 there's a reason you're called Walshmen

So "everyone" is a now a strong core of English rugby fans who mostly only watch internationals and generally dont have a clue.

As opposed to...?

And in whose judgement...?

DaRC_L 😀

generally dont have a clue.

I'm not sure how I'd weigh together "not having a clue" against not being able to tackle properly. You're hardly putting yourself forward as an expert in the subject with that prior admission.

I'm not trying to create an argument here, but honestly I doubt any of us could claim to be 100% experts. A lot of us have played, the rules and techniques have changed and we are now opinionated armchair pundits FWIW.

Lets move on.

A lot of us have played, the rules and techniques have changed and we are now opinionated armchair pundits FWIW.

You're talking sense there Kryton (I reserve judgement on other comments of course), which due to the recent rule change is now ungentlemanly conduct. I expect you to accept your 10 day sin-bin with grace and dignity.

In those matches Adam Jones was at his peak with rules that suited him and he bitch slapped the england scrum to hell and back. At the time he was widelly regarded as one of the strongest scumagers in the world. Hence a multi test Lion. But hey those Lions coaches didnt know that he was only any use when Walsh was the ref..get a ****ing grip.

And if tackling low round the ankles is wrong you should talk to Dan Lydiate, you know one the one, he's not English but he is one of the best defensive players in europe and also a multi test lion and six nations player of the tournament in 2012 ( based on his one trick).

As opposed to...?
And in whose judgement...?

Most rugby fans with a clue regarded Walsh as a very good ref although he did have a number of off pitch issues.

Oops double post!

😀 igm

But hey those Lions coaches didnt know that he was only any use when Walsh was the ref.

Again, I didn't say that at all, you are misquoting me, or actually just making stuff up and attributing it to me.

And if tackling low round the ankles is wrong you should talk to Dan Lydiate,

No problem, please forward his phone number and I'd happily ask him to explain when the global rugby system which teaches tacking at the hips and sliding the arms down changed.

But again, I never stated tackling around the ankles was wrong per se, what I said was - and I haven't gone away to find your actual words - my comment was based on the fact the you yourself said that you had learned tackling around the ankles method from a young age.

I expect you to accept your 10 day sin-bin with grace and dignity.

Thats a bit harsh, I demand a video replay!

So this global system didnt reach me? I always new I was an alien.

"Anyone" and "Everyone" would appear to exclude the beeb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/21778425

anagallis_arvensis - Member

So "everyone" is a now a strong core of English rugby fans who mostly only watch internationals and generally dont have a clue.

Yep - that's us. Spot on. 😉

Nothing wrong with farrell's tackling. Haskell will need to gain a yard in pace if he's to cover up the defensive hole called George Ford. JD2 could have some fun running at JJ too.
On the bright side, I expect the English scrum to be dominant.

Apart from it's too high most of the time...and upright. Can't see him or Ford doing a lot to stop the Welsh midfield. JJ's tackling against Ireland was surprisingly good (I've never thought of him as particularly solid in this part of his game).

Expecting a dominant scrum? They're a lottery mostly these days that takes up a huge amount of time.

Manu on the bench isn't really a surprise now that he's back. The main issue is him being over eager and looking for the big hit and leaving a massive hole in the defensive line. He does however offer a lot more impact than Goode!

Just hoping that Youngs has had some passing practice since the last game - don't want to see him lobbing balls at peoples heads and feet again. Also hoping the D word doesn't rear it's ugly head too much from us.

Still think Wales will win and take the championship. They have a solid team and gameplan that they are all familiar with, plus they've had a fair bit of success in the 6N so know what needs to be done.

TBH all this bickering about whether certain refs are biased is a descent into the level of wendy-ball supporters. So stop it.

Anyway, I miss Steve Walsh. I know some folk think that he possibly didn't always give England the benefit of the doubt but c'mmon!

The chest! The tan! Those forearms! That smile! The mad new TMO rules he used to invent on the spot........

What a guy! 8)

duckman the [url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/mar/19/england-complain-irb-referee-steve-walsh ]Grauniad[/url] and the Torygraph both covered it.
Mind you I didn't watch the match in 2013 as soon as I saw Walsh was refereeing - I was at Twickenham in 2012 when he did us over then - I gave up (and so did the players).

who mostly only watch internationals

The chest! The tan! Those forearms! That smile! The mad new TMO rules he used to invent on the spot...

How could you forget the tattoo

He who controls himself, controls the game

Ford will need a minder although Robshaw has come second best to Roberts before. He's no Worsley! Best plan for England is to pressure the lineout. If Wales are confined to slow front ball then the ability to launch Roberts at Ford is lost. With no dominant middle lineout jumper we struggle here. Off phase play Ford can be hidden easy enough.

I think it will be a game with a number of really interesting sub plots and this game will be the measure of what Jones can do. England's player skill set isn't going to be THAT much better than it is now by 2019,so this is where Jones earns his money. Can he force the Welsh back row into an arm wrestle, can he outfox Edward's defence with the players he has availiable? For all that people think it is going to consist of chin v yappy wee shite, Wales like to bring their back row in on 3/4 phase ball to commit a zonal/sweep defence and make space for their own backs. Jones has played zonal so far,but hasn't met as dynamic a back row as this one. England will need to slow that up,there is no doubt they will,but who will tire first? Wales did last year,but then England lost the top two inches in the WC. Can England negate the Welsh back rows carrying and force Wales to shift their defensive focus to trying to fetch from the England wide players? Billy V is so important as well,he has been immense,but one reason we notice that is that is that neither of the other two have especially kicked on from the WC. He needs to make sure there are two of his countrymen dangling off him at every opportunity.
Tell you what,game of the 6N this year and I want you both to lose.

Not that I want to drag out the Steve Walsh bias thing anymore, but that linked guardian article doesn't offer any support for this perceived bias..it just quotes Graham Rowntree saying he's going to complain.

He's no Worsley!

I think england will win and I will say no more about it, I really hate living here from now until the end of next Monday when all the england fans will of emerged given me some stick and scuttled back to their footy loving ways.

Sounds like Swansea

Will Wales be targeting Ford?

Wont they think about his parents FFS? 😉

Oh heck, LC-D to come on at 60m for [s]the kiwi biter[/s] our captain. That's not good

I really hate living here from now until the end of next Monday when all the england fans will of emerged given me some stick and scuttled back to their footy loving ways.

Don't worry - we'll give you stick on here longer than that.....

😉

Jones and McBryde must have been reading this thread!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35774334

6 weeks a year and a few weeks every four years?

We're being invaded by 'one match every year' experts... 😆

I thought he'd banned himself from talking to the media..he does go on doesnt he!

So we were very disappointed in that England game to fall on the wrong side of decisions and we felt the problem lay elsewhere."

However, Jones says he is "quite upset" by Wales' approach to the set-piece.

"They play the laws very well," the Australian told BBC Radio 5 live. "They pre-engage all the time, which is against the laws of the game.

"And then they get penalised one or two times at the start of the game, but the referee gets sick of penalising it.

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"Because if the referee keeps penalising it, you know what happens? The referee gets criticised.

"We really want to have a scrum contest on Saturday - it's an important part of the game - so we are really hopeful the referee enforces the law in that area."

Jones added: "If you are the referee and you keep penalising Wales for pre-engaging, then all the smart guys in the commentators' box say 'this referee is ruining the game'.

"But they are not ruining the game, it's the team that is scrummaging illegally which is ruining the game.

"So we want the referee to be really hard, and if he has to ruin the game, he has to ruin the game."

I likes him!

I thought he'd banned himself from talking to the media

Quality line of argument 😉

Bringing scrutiny on a front row that will at some point contain the human right angle that is Marler may backfire on him.

The London Times is reporting that Ford was emptied by Dangleberry yesterday. No report of parents rushing to his bedside though,maybe Irish parents just care more? 😀

I'm in Japan for this one - 0200AM kickoff 😯

At least it's on tv here.

Also on the England pages are the words referring to Tuilagi "he's so special he's running lines straight through our own defence"

Hmmm, well hold on a minute surely that means....

Meh,I saw that,but it isn't as if Wales have a big fast powerful centre is it?