What do you want?
IMO, he [Brown] was lucky to have escaped yellow during the game but there wasn't enough there for a citing.
I agree and if Care hadnt got a yellow I reckon Brown would have done. Not red though imo.
Say what you like Wrecker but once Sam turned round to see who was tugging at his shirt Brown was back pedalling like crazy till his mates showed up! He then tried to start on Gethin which is even funnier! Wonder what Gethin said to him!
Still it all worked out nice in the end when Brown lost the game for his team!
Should have been a scrum to wales too as Wood knocked on!
Brown was back pedalling like crazy till his mates showed up!
3 vs 1 in a pushing contest and he still wasn't backing down. Bloody dreadful tackle too.
Ref seemed to think it was fine. Still Lydiate was kicking people in the head so he obviously wont get your approval he should clearly not take a step back like Brown!
Tough day
And next week we have the rematch! Excited?
You don't get vacuous pantomime banter like this in the West car park.
And next week we have the rematch! Excited?
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/2015-16-rugby-world-cup-year/page/151#post-7543267 ]Apparently we are, but it was mentioned a while back before going on a little detour.[/url] 😛 🙄
Yeah, someone finally got what they wanted. Sorry about that.
Anyway, I reckon wales by 7 but happy to have the traditional £10 charity bet if you're on?
I just hope there are no more dreadful press conferences from either side that come back to bite the team in the arse...
[insert Burgess dumbarsery here]
People here seem to need a distraction from the reality that a so-so England where far too good for Ireland
On a much more serius note here is a piece from a team mate of Lomu's regarding supplements they where given. Perhaps most telling is a denial from the team doctor.
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/12177904/Jonah-Lomus-former-team-mate-believes-use-of-creatine-may-have-contributed-to-his-death.html ]Telegrapgh Story[/url]
As a neutral brown -v- warburton was one of the funniest things I've seen in ages.
Warbs isn't an aggressive/dirty... player
Agreed and while my suspicion is that brown is warburton appeared to be chuckling too most of the way through that. Meanwhile the England forwards collectively saw who it was and half heartedly stood around - I wonder how many of them were secretly thinking "now Mike's going to get what he deserves. Please".
People here seem to need a distraction from the reality that a so-so England where far too good for Ireland
If only you could stick to posting bollocks on politics threads, but no, you just can't help yourself. 🙁
England were very lucky but did beat a very very understrength ireland at home. You must be proud.
Wrecker happy to take the charity bet but I'm not sure I expect wales to do well. Too many players short of form and match fitness. Loopy Liam, North, Jiffy Junior, Lydiate, Warburton etc and Biggar looks like what he is a player playing on one leg
21-10 what you where robbed dd ? We should have won by far more
21-10 what you where robbed dd ? We should have won by far more
And there I was thinking you couldn't possibly sound more ridiculous. But you managed it. Well done!
EDIT: If you need the stupidity of your first statement explained, I'm happy to do so. I reckon you know why already though. Or maybe you don't...it wouldn't be a surprise.
England were very lucky but did beat a very very understrength ireland at home.
I keep reading this, but the reality is that this isn't the england Jones wants, and could easily be described as understrength. Manu, Slade and Dave Ewers all injured. Jones only been in post for 3 games and unable to make many changes due to RFU elite squad rules.
I am not buying that Schmidt was/is any more disadvantaged than Jones.
21-10 what you where robbed dd ? [b]We should have won by far more[/b]
Indeed, you should have; but you didn't. I think I'll join in with the little wager from up there.
If england win I'll put a tenner in a charity of Wrecker's choice.
A twenty point difference, on an england victory, and I'll up it to twenty.
What are the odds on an english red card? 😛
Have we done the Sam Davies disallowed try from the weekend, by the way?
If that was held, my cock's a kipper.
I'd be quite content to see Brown, and indeed Farrell, get thoroughly Blanco'd by Warburton and his mates, during the course of an England win. Something for everyone in that scenario I think.
I am not buying that Schmidt was/is any more disadvantaged than Jones.
To be fair to Ireland, they're missing a lot of key players...SOB, Bowe, Henderson, O'Mahony, Healy (who came on but still doesn't look 100%), Henry, Luke Fitz - The two Os there being key to Ireland's weakness in defence so far this campaign, and our line-out looks a bit shagged - no excuse, you have to play with the squad you have and Ireland did well to stay in touch up till the last ten and it could have been 21-15(7) on 73 mins if VDF's try had been given (again I'm not whinging about it...there was no clear angle no matter how much anybody thought it was or wasn't grounded). McCloskey and Van der Flier look good for the future though. So, as much as I didn't want to see them lose, it was better than I expected before kick-off.
I don't think England are missing those players as much as Ireland are missing theirs - and have much better strength in depth than Ireland at the moment.
If Jones had had that 23 for longer, I reckon they'd have given Ireland a 20-30 point tanking - they missed one or two gilt edged chances when Ireland just had forwards in the line.
I realise it wasn't wrecker who said it, but a statement like "A so-so England were too good for Ireland" is just wilful stupidity or spouting bollocks for a reaction...or perhaps in jamba's case, it's both, I dunno.
England at the moment are in a huge state of flux, whilst they might not be missing as many layers as Ireland, but the fact that the coach has only known them for a few weeks is a pretty big deal.
For me, this team is largely placeholding. Come the aus tour, when we see underhill, Hughes, slade, manu, ewers, and players like brookes and george mature, only then will we see what england will be moving forward.
Great that EJ has been able to bring itoge and clifford in, but it's only the start.
Oh and on Brown, can he be assured of getting his quins shirt back? That Chisholm bloke has been very impressive indeed.
England at the moment are in a huge state of flux,
To be honest Jones has done a very good job of not changing too much too soon. Wales beat them in the world cup due to a good slice of luck and having the better coach. Wont happen this time. Two evenly matched teams but England have home advantage. I would say its a 70:30 type of game in Englands favour. Mind you if we can stop Vunipola and get Roberts and Davies running at Farrel and Joseph off quick ball it could be close.
Wales are too experienced, too slick and too canny.
Farrell and JJ are the least of our worries, get roberts, davies or north running at Ford 5 times, you have 5 tries.
The only hope england have is to smash it up front, but even that is a bit of a stretch.
Discipline could be a deciding factor especially since our back row is weaker. Cant afford to see the Biggar shuffle too much. It hurt us before.
Tuilagi and Ewers return to the England squad for training this week.
Maybe too soon for Manu to play against Wales but you never know....
I also think Wales will deal with Billy V much better than Ireland did. Who, let's face it, didn't deal with him at all. 🙂
I would say its a 70:30 type of game in Englands favour.
As usual I don't agree with you :lol:, I think its much closer, more like 55/45, and if Wales go ahead on the score board, I think it goes more in their favour as England don't currently have the confidence to "know" they can pull it back.
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I also think Wales will deal with Billy V much better than Ireland did. Who, let's face it, didn't deal with him at all.
I've only one thing to say to you in reply; what er, happens if I neglected to oil the floor you laid in the last two years? 😳
Nothing. Unless you've wrecked it.
Early days, but I agree that EJ is subtly managing a transition phase pretty well. Gradually mixing things up but not abandoning experience completely.
Where does 70:30 come from - Wales are a better team as we are often reminded and they are going to muller our backs with ease. We have a poor 15 too - backs off confrontation unless surrounded by his mates, so imagine how bad he will be under a high ball.
Very close - as before, penalty count will be key.
The Sam Davies non-try.
Thoughts?
https://amp.twimg.com/v/39827627-1289-4381-ad7c-73913b4c5f15
Was ruled out as he was apparently held in the tackle.
Wales are a better team as we are often reminded
Funny, that was not what was being said here just before the world cup. Who is doing this reminding? One lucky win in a close game that was well and truely blown by the england captain and suddenly wales are better. We got humped at twickenham before that and at home. You Englanders are just going too far out of your way to not be too cocky. Havent checked the odds but teckon the bookies will be making England clear favourites.
https://amp.twimg.com/v/39827627-1289-4381-ad7c-73913b4c5f15
Remind me again, who does the Clancy Clown work for? Its a joke league.
All this talk of a coach/ team in transition neglects the (alleged) fact the real coach is still there watching over his boy 😆
England are massive favourites IMO. As a_a says, last time around Wales got lucky with a dodgy selection policy and some bad captaincy. That kind of lightening doesn't strike twice unless EJ picks a front row of Care, Brown and Ford and Robshaw leads the team again.
England have a new head coach but most of the structure stays the same with a few key changes that have all proved to be for the better so far. That England side isn't exactly inexperienced which is the only aspect Wales have any slight advantage in and the gap is closing.
Aside from experience, Wales offer very little besides a solid defense. England made very easy yards against Ireland and as long as the game is in Wales's half Farrell will get plenty of opportunities to do his funny hand signal.
Realistically I think Wales are very unlikely to win but I wouldn't be unhappy to be wrong
Havent checked the odds but teckon the bookies will be making England clear favourites.
I bet they won't! I'd be amazed if any stuck their necks out.
https://m.oddschecker.com/m/rugby-union/six-nations/england-v-wales/winner
England odds on favs 1/2, Wales 7/4 ish
does 1/2 mean bet 1 win 2? I don't really know betting.
No bet £2 win £1. ( you do get your stake back though) Otherwise known as odds on favourites Wales odds against outsiders bet 4 win 7
Ah cheers. The welsh are worth a few quid there I reckon. Captsasquatch should be ploughing his money into that!
You Englanders are just going too far out of your way to not be too cocky
We really cant win can we...
Nope. Thems the rules.
DD you were well beaten and the 6N table doesn't lie. Biggest critism of England is we didn't score 35+ points.
Whilst we have home advantage those odds look too optimistic from an England perspective.
DD you were well beaten and the 6N table doesn't lie
The ref did make a massive error at a crucial time in not awarding the irish flankers try. England were well on top for much of the game but failed to putvireland out of the game.
