[Closed] 13 yo daughter and deciding on the hpv vaccine.

definately

as someone whos worked in a cancer hospital, vaccination is a very good thing

Yes.

Yes.

Yep

Ta.

Yep. Cancer isn't very pleasant.

The only questionable thing about it is why it's not being given to boys too.

Thought it only covered a couple of the strains that can cause cancer and infection is often a multistrain fest.
So not quite as clear cut as measles etc

Why wouldn't you?

They're evaluating giving it to boys too now

Why wouldn't you?

They're evaluating giving it to boys too now

Because it's my daughter...and it's an injection of something...
Just being cautious/

Daughter had it at 13. all her school had it you would have seemed the local lunatic to make a fuss about it.
Regarding the boys, as with all vaccinations there is a tiny risk attached, and they wouldn't directly benefit from having the jab. Makes sense if your looking to eradicate the virus though.

I'd have it like a shot (no pun intended) if someone offered it to me.

and they wouldn't directly benefit from having the jab. Makes sense if your looking to eradicate the virus though.

Perhaps not, but given the method of infection it would no doubt be of benefit to women too were men also immunised.

Men would benefit, as HPV can cause warts and cancer in gentlemanly areas too, as well as not having their female loved ones get cancer.

Ok..a view on the nhs direct site includes only two comments, both of which don't help. One questions how prevalent the particular strains it protects against are, the other reports a girl slipping into a 13 week coma immediately after the injection.
Consent form duly signed tho.

Yep. The anti brigade in the US are anti because they think it'll encourage kids to go and have sex at 11 🙄

Yes it is a no brainer, as in takes no mental effort to realise it is the right thing to do . The anti vaccine arguments also tend to be no brainers too, as in no brains used in their creation.

[url= https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/147957/Green-Book-Chapter-18a-v2_0.pdf ]vaccine info (or "government party line", for conspiracy fans[/url]

Its a bit more complicated than you boys realise: there is not much evidence to support the notion that immunising against a couple of strains works. Some experts think its all destined to fail. People often envisage interventions as risk free, but they are not. So you have to look at the pros and cons. I'm generally in favour of immunisation but this one might be different - I don't think we know yet.

My (much younger) sister recently received her first one aged 15. My mum didn't want her getting it for odd reasons when she was 13. She was the only one in her YEAR not to receive it. Fair to say she got questioned by her classmates for a while. Maybe even bullied? Didn't sound particularly pleasant. Apart from being important for her health, it's also important from a social perspective.

I am not sure if I would have had it or not, if I could turn the clock back a few years!
Have you asked your daughter what she wants?

I have had treatment for an abnormal smear test/pre-cancerous cells and it wasn't a pleasant experience, and I now have to have annual checks.

But then again, I am not in favour of jabs for this and that without knowing all the risks, and this one for me is still too new for me personally to feel at ease with it.

Would possibly have saved my friend's wife (and mother of their small daughter), if it had been around earlier. She died of cervical cancer.

Suggest (strongly) she has the jab.

Someone close to me had a close call. Please do it

As I said....consent granted.
Daughter has decided to have it too after talking it through.

Yes... Just do it.

rockhopper70- show your daughter this thread. Then tell her she's made a good choice. Because she has made a good choice.

I'm a schoolteacher and I'm going to show this thread to my yr9 registration class later.

Vaccines are TERRIBLE. Just awful.
And since when has everyone else doing something make anything right? If everyone was jumping off a cliff etc.

Vaccines are terrible. Just awful.

In the UK, the MMR vaccine was the subject of controversy after publication of a 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield et al. reporting a study of twelve children who had bowel symptoms along with autism or other disorders, including cases where onset was believed by the parents to be soon after administration of MMR vaccine.[33] In 2010, Wakefield's research was found by the General Medical Council to have been "dishonest","The GMC decided they shared responsibility for the ethical conduct of the trial, although neither one was said to have acted dishonestly."[34] and The Lancet fully retracted the original paper.[35] The research was declared fraudulent in 2011 by the British Medical Journal.[36] Several subsequent peer-reviewed studies have failed to show any association between the vaccine and autism.[37]

Personally the jury is out on this vaccine, particularly when you see what's happened in Japan and Spain. I will not be rushing into having my daughter vaccinated.

Sits back and waits to be called a ****ing idiot.

Yes...

Please stop the awful conspiracy to save our children's lives... 🙄

OP. good call go for it.

I should really look this up but it's early and I'm working...so could you share what has happened in Japan and Spain?

Spain

MADRID (AFP) – Spanish health authorities have withdrawn tens of thousands of doses of a vaccine against cervical cancer after two teenagers who received the shots were hospitalised, regional authorities said on Tuesday.

A batch of nearly 76,000 doses of the human papillomavirus vaccine (HPV) was withdrawn from market, a government statement said, after two girls in the eastern Valencia region fell seriously ill hours after receiving them.

"One of the girls got out of intensive care this weekend and the other is still there. Both are in stable condition," a Valencia health department spokeswoman told AFP. The two girls were vaccinated last week as part of a vast government vaccination programme targeting adolescents.

Japan

the Japanese health ministry has withdrawn its recommendation for vaccination after receiving hundreds of side effects reports of long-term pain and numbness, among other things, The Asahi Shimbun writes. Although vaccines will remain available, local health officials are being told not to promote vaccination while studies are conducted.

“The decision does not mean that the vaccine, itself, is problematic from the view of safety, “ Mariko Momoi, vp of the International University of Health and Welfare, who headed a task force probing the issue, tells the paper. “By implementing investigations, we want to offer information that can make the people feel more at ease.”

To date, an estimated 3.28 million people have been vaccinated, and 1,968 cases of possible side effects, including body pain, have been reported and the task force examined 43 cases, the paper writes. However, a causal relationship between vaccination and pain and numbness could not be established, which prompted the decision to run further studies by the ministry.

Actually " the truther girls " using screenshots of headlines from the internet have convinced me that medical science and peer reviewed studies are all wrong and vaccines are bad.

and to put some of the stats into perspective (2000 in 3.28 million)

Every year there are potentially more than 500 sudden unexplained deaths in England, reveals a nationwide study published ahead of print in the journal Heart.

This figure is around eight times higher than previously thought, the data suggest.

The research team drew on cause of death judgments relating to sudden unexplained deaths in people from 117 coroners (out of 122) across England between October 1997 and May 1999.

The judgments were all based on post mortem examination reports. None of those who died had a history of heart disease, and they had all last been seen alive within 12 hours of death. All were aged between 4 and 64. Each case was assessed by an expert to eliminate other identifiable causes of death.

Booked the kids in for first jab for chicken pox vaccination next week.
Seems to be that it's only the cost which has kept it from being added to the NHS program.

With all vaccines there is are tiny risks they will tell you these on the information leaflet, it's then up to the individual, the parents or maybe both depending on age of the child to way up these risks against protection of whatever they are immunising against.

I have 2 Daughters and when it comes around to them I'll be recommending they have it. It's a choice and if people choose not to have one then that's their choice, no need to insult other people either way.

Obviously it will be 30-40 years before we know whether this vaccination programme is actually effective in reducing the rates of cervical cancer. It will also be interesting to see if there are other unintended consequences, such as a rise in other STDs because of reduced condom use among vaccinated girls and their partners.

It's a shame that the ethical assessment couldn't justify offering the jab to boys as well. Not only because it reduces the chance of herd immunity, but to help demonstrate to them that STD prevention is as much their responsibility as girls.

I suspect that the statistical risk of a 13 year old getting run over on the way to have the jab is greater than the risk of side effects...

It's a choice and if people choose not to have one then that's their choice

Sure. For instance, just now when I woke up, I had a choice between making coffee and stabbing myself in the eye with a fork.

which did you go for Cougar ?

It will also be interesting to see if there are other unintended consequences, such as a rise in other STDs because of reduced condom use among vaccinated girls and their partners.

Sorry, but this is the second time this has been hinted at here, and it's... weird.

a) "we'd better use a condom, it slightly reduces the risk of cervical cancer," said no teenage boy in the history of the world, ever. There's a slightly more forefront side effect of unprotected sex, which takes about nine months to appear.

b) what's the argument here, that actually we should be exposing teenagers to as much risk as possible in order to discourage them from having sex?

Not read much of this but spotted the opportunity to post this.

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Vaccines are TERRIBLE. Just awful.
And since when has everyone else doing something make anything right? If everyone was jumping off a cliff etc.

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I think the argument is that, if no-one tells kids about sex, they'll never work it out for themselves.

[i] we should be exposing teenagers to as much risk as possible in order to discourage them from having sex? [/i]

this appears to be the approach being adopted by a number of US states.

All they seem to be achieving is an explosion in teen pregnancy and a huge rise in STD's.

Why look at the evidence when the conservative right can feel smug as they go to bed at night?