If we're going to limit speed or acceleration, can we also build in cars leaving enough of a gap so that cars that want to overtake can do so safely, one car at a time if necessary.
I've got a reasonably powerful car. The time I use that power most frequently is on a NSL road where there are four or five cars in a line sitting very close to each other at 30 or 40mph admiring the view. If they left a gap, I wouldn't need the power.
Likewise automatically stop ******** drivers from accelerating when other cars start to overtake on the same roads. It's not an everyday occurrence, but I can't believe how often that it does happen (generally they are over 60, with a dash cam).
Cars are too fast. I like them, but I agree. The worst drivers I see are rarely speeding in fast cars though.
Cars are too fast. I like them, but I agree. The worst drivers I see are rarely speeding in fast cars though.
Indeed. I can't believe there has been 5 pages of arguing about this. The limit is a step in the right direction, but it's not what we should be focused on if we want to improve road safety.
We have the technology to make significant leaps.
If they really wanted to save the world/ peoples lives / the planet / fuel / *** delete as applicable . Then a 100mph limit would be much better 100mph = 162kph. Its not hanging around and will get you where you want t go very quickly. OK , not as quick as 140mph , but it gets very uneconomical, noisy , and can be scary at well over 100mph .
100mph limit would encourage a running speed of 90 - 95 ( europe ) leaving some margin to accelerate to manoevere round a slower vehicle under acceleration if a faster vehicle is approaching
There was atest between a Prius and a BMW M3 ona track , The M3 just had to keep up with the prius , which was drive as hard as possible. The Prius used more petrol as the M3 was performing well under its maximium potential
Its inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions which catches people out , not speed in itelf although the end result is alot less spectacularo if you throw it in a hedge at 40 , not 60
Its inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions which catches people out , not speed in itelf although the end result is alot less spectacularo if you throw it in a hedge at 40 , not 60
and beyond a point you just don't have the ability to react quickly enough to events unfolding around you. Hence speed limits have not really increased over the years as technology has.
If they really wanted to save the world/ peoples lives / the planet / fuel / *** delete as applicable . Then a 100mph limit would be much better 100mph = 162kph. Its not hanging around and will get you where you want t go very quickly.
For a journey long enough for that to make a difference use a train. A limit like that isn't really better it's just not quite as bad as the other option. It's not a preferable solution.
For a journey long enough for that to make a difference use a train.
I've just done a quick search to see how much a journey I do reasonably regularly would cost by train... £111 per person return.
It costs under £140 in fuel for the same journey. Admittedly it's probably 30 minutes quicker by train, but I have to change three times including trudging across London.
With a dog and two 30kg bags.
I'd rather drive thanks 🙂
I’ve just done a quick search to see how much a journey I do reasonably regularly would cost by train… £111 per person return.
I’d rather drive thanks 🙂
Well if you try and do it at 100mph it will cost you a damm site more and a good chance you will need a lift home after they cut up your license in front of you on the hard shoulder. Which is what the point was actually about.....
I'm trying to think when I last drove at seriously silly speeds, i.e. over 100mph, in this country (being honest here, I doubt there's a bloke that hasn't or hasn't tried to) and it was probably over thirty years ago. Not sure of the exact figures but there was probably half the traffic density back then. Even on the motorway I don't go above an indicated 85mph and that's not that regular.
No doubt there are road where excessive speed is still doable other than in the dead of night.
Most of the time on NSL roads I find myself in heavy enough traffic going at 50mph or so that it's not worth the stress to constantly hassle to overtake.
being honest here, I doubt there’s a bloke that hasn’t or hasn’t tried to
Err....I’m a bloke and pretty close to Action Man on that gender scale. I’ve never driven a car at more than 70mph. This thread is like reading a thread about “Why I need an assault rifle for hunting deer” At the end of the day it boils down to:
Drive slow and dangerous = Bad
Drive fast and dangerous = Bad with the ability to cause more carnage.
Take away the ability to go too fast and the net result will be a bit better. As for those claiming it’s impinging on their freedom, grow up. We all have to follow rules. Don’t like it, tough shit. People are morons and need checks and balances and I include myself in that. The sooner the tech for safe gaps between vehicles and speed control is in place and in all vehicles as standard, the better.
I sometimes can’t believe this a cycling forum.
@funkmasterp - I'm all for tech to enforce minimum gaps between vehicles and the EU proposal to have "black box" data recorders in cars. It's not impinging freedom, the inference here is that the "freedom" to speed, etc. is equivalent to freedom of thought and speech and acting on one is a harbinger on actions on the other when it's actually enforcing responsibility.
A pedestrian, cyclist and motorist. 😉
Completely agree with you whitestone
I love it when people quote out of context . I use 100mph as a better than 112mph and the brackets ( europe ) and all of sudden I am advocating driving at 99mph in the UK . I am not .
Trains are fine , but the sad reality is with bikes , and luggage and friends its quicker and cheaper to drive
I am sure Germany used to have tailgating cameras, but no one else in ( europe ) sic . does.
And Yes , I have done a max speed run . It was fast , would I do that sort of speed again . I very much doubt and my current car is probably 30mph too slow anyway
I sometimes can’t believe this a cycling forum.
I know, it's almost like some people are just different!
You lot might be surprised to hear that once upon a time (1992/3 maybe 4) in a far off land (Germany) I drove over 100mph..
Yes I did 🧟♂️
I did it a few times actually.
Y’see I once used to travel to Hungary via Rotterdam/Germany/Austria and then the Autobahn were mostly unrestricted until you were in the vicinity of a large town/city. Over those years I had a couple of cars, a Toyota Corolla GTi and Celica GT4.. Both capable of speeds in excess of my capability..
And this is the crux of my point here..
I saw (over those years) a number of proper pile ups, witnessed about 5/6 (can’t quite remember) and saw the aftermath of about 20. It’s not really a nice sight watching ahead a series of red lights and wobbles ending up in mashed rear ends and catapulting vehicles, knowing only too well that there were people in those cars, and people being mashed to death that were caught up in the chaos who were there innocently going about thier daily business. My boss at the time was a speed freak, had a Supra Turbo and always floored it to the hotel as soon as he got onto a black ribbon, and was as aggressive as some of those old vids you see on YouTube where the drivers pass flashing lights and giving others the finger.. He was an arse TBH, until one day he piled into the back of a people carrier killing 2 and life injured 2 others.... and it was his own family.. yep. He changed overnight, it affected every living minute of his life from then on and had a massive impact on mine too.
Its probably why I am so passive when I drive, have been since that day back in 96’. When the impacts of such devastating consequences are so raw just becuse someone wants to drive fast on a public highway...
I admire fast drivers, on the track they can do what they like. But with so many uncontrollable variables and perceived consequences I simply can not comprehend why people speed or indeed drive fast on the public highway.
Hey ho.
Oh, and honestly I am not in favour of “black box” recorders or any other monitoring system. We don’t really need them. To me they are an invasion of people’s private lives and they shouldn’t be allowed. But I do foresee a time when these become the norm, in my lifetime I pretty much guarantee they’ll be fitted.
But that could change, if people didn’t break the law or drive recklessly the vast majority of normal road users wouldn’t have to suffer the consequences of the few... but all in all it really is the few that will spoil lifestyles for the many. Those selfish few who will continue to treat others as targets and bully thier own way through life at the wheel.
🤷♂️🤟
Peace out brothers & sisters.
I sometimes can’t believe this a cycling forum.
I know, it’s almost like some people are just different!
Or self entitled and have delusions of having driving skillz that are so awesome they can predict what all the other road users are going to do.
Just read your post bikebouy. My brother was killed by someone who was ‘driving to the conditions’ or ignoring speed limits as it’s actually called. It definitely alters ones perspective when it comes to cars and the selfish, entitled behaviour of some.
100mph limit would encourage a running speed of 90 – 95 ( europe ) leaving some margin to accelerate to manoevere round a slower vehicle under acceleration if a faster vehicle is approaching
The maximum speed limit on a road where you would overtake with on-coming traffic is 60mph. Why would you need a limiter at 100mph? If you can't overtake within the speed limit then you should not be overtaking. Let alone getting 50% or more above the speed limit.
I am sure Germany used to have tailgating cameras,
France uses cameras for "distances de sécurité" (tailgating) The local Gendarmes use drones to identify tailgating trucks on the autoroutes and N10 up from Spain/Portugal. They also have gendarmes riding on the pegs of their bikes to see inside truck cabs to catch the drivers watching films on laptops.
One of the results of the yellow vest protests is an increase in road deaths. The police/gendarmes have been too busy with rioters to police the roads and 2/3 of provincial radars have been vandalised. People are going noticeably faster on one of the roads into my home town.
100mph limit would encourage a running speed of 90 – 95 ( europe ) leaving some margin to accelerate to manoevere round a slower vehicle under acceleration if a faster vehicle is approaching
The maximum speed limit on a road where you would overtake with on-coming traffic is 60mph. Why would you need a limiter at 100mph? If you can’t overtake within the speed limit then you should not be overtaking. Let alone getting 50% or more above the speed limit.
Yes, That does not scan . If I had written approaching from behind it would have made more sense. Having done a thousands of miles in Germany it is the speed of the approaching car that needs to be judged and , in some cases matched , when pulling out from lane 1 into lane 2 overtaking an HGV for example , hence overtaking a slower moving vehicle.
What does a photo (posted above my mws) of NASCAR cars involved in a racing collision got to do with this thread?
NASCAR cars, you know, those that race on the oval track at 200mph whilst being nose to tail with a couple of inches gap between each car.
Nothing to do at all with driving on public roads.
NASCAR cars, you know, those that race on the oval track at 200mph whilst being nose to tail with a couple of inches gap between each car.
Nothing to do at all with driving on public roads.
Been on the motorway network?
What does it have to do with the thread? Well people were talking about being able to handle faster speeds, what they can't process is the complex signals from every other road user and make an accurate prediction as to what will happen next. The more people you have going faster - even on a motorway all going the same direction the less time anyone has to react to a changing situation.
Seems like a interesting move from Volvo. No issue from me. In no way would it stop me buying a Volvo if I wanted one.
I’ve got some quick cars and the only place I’ve driven significantly over our UK national speed limit (more than a few indicated mph on the Speedo) is on the autobahn or on the track. A quick blast on the destructed autobahn and you see how pointless (+100mph) high speeds are and how dangerous they are.
Its inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions which catches people out
Whilst I don't disagree, the problem here is that people either aren't trained or just generally can't be trusted to judge "appropriate speed for the conditions." If they could, we wouldn't need speed limits. As it is, we have fairly arbitrary numbers on poles so everyone can be "safe" without requiring any thought.
Just read your post bikebouy. My brother was killed by someone who was ‘driving to the conditions’ or ignoring speed limits as it’s actually called.
I think you're just making that up. Not the bit about your brother (and I'm honestly sorry for your loss) but the nonsense about driving to conditions being about ignoring speed limits. That's just bollocks. And you know fine well that isn't what anyone means when they use that phrase.
Whilst I don’t disagree, the problem here is that people either aren’t trained or just generally can’t be trusted to judge “appropriate speed for the conditions.” If they could, we wouldn’t need speed limits. As it is, we have fairly arbitrary numbers on poles so everyone can be “safe” without requiring any thought.
Exactly.
Cougar - it's exactly the people that think appropriate speed is anywhere up to and including the limit that are constantly getting craned out of the various ditches and shorelines around here. Then moan that it's the road that is dangerous
Appropriate speed is appropriate for the conditions. If you can't judge the conditions, slow down until you can.
I'm sure it's also the ones who do not, or think they can see around corners, or the ones who are late but more important.
Inappropriate speed contributes to around 11% of all injury collisions reported to the police, 15% of crashes
resulting in a serious injury and 24% of collisions that result in a death1
. This includes both ‘excessive speed’,
when the speed limit is exceeded but also driving or riding within the speed limit when this is too fast for the
conditions at the time (for example, in poor weather, poor visibility or high pedestrian activity).
In 2015, 217 people were killed in crashes involving someone exceeding the speed limit and a further 132
people died when someone was travelling too fast for the conditions 1
.
From ROSPA 2015 - nearly 2:1 on driving over the limit vs within but not the conditions for fatal accidents
Worth a read
If an individual drives more than 10 - 15% above the average speed of the traffic around them, they are much
more likely to be involved in an accident.
Drivers who speed are more likely to be involved in collisions. They are also more likely to commit other
driving violations, such as red-light running and driving too close.
I'd say it's unlikely many of the drivers I refer to were speeding. No doubt some do but the road doesn't really allow for it.
But my point still stands regardless, unless you want to dispute that rather than pick holes in things I didn't say?
If an individual drives more than 10 – 15% above the average speed of the traffic around them, they are much more likely to be involved in an accident.
This is interesting, because it's not talking about speed limits, it's talking about traffic flow. If you're driving much faster (or slower) than most other traffic around you then you're obviously a liability simply because of speed differentials. If everyone drove at the same speed on a given stretch of road, be that 20mph or 90mph, there would surely be fewer accidents.
Drivers who speed are more likely to be involved in collisions. They are also more likely to commit other driving violations, such as red-light running and driving too close.
I've no idea whether this is true or not (and I'm sceptical), but it's a non sequitur from the first statement.
But my point still stands regardless, unless you want to dispute that rather than pick holes in things I didn’t say?
It's one of the things that made me head over to look for speeding accident stats, interesting to see where they are, obviously the ROSPA ones are about fatalities as they will get more investigation.
I can’t believe there has been 5 pages of arguing about this.
You must be new here!
Totally pointless exercise from Volvo, its the thing holding the steering wheel and pressing the pedals that needs addressing not the top speed, acceleration, or whatever about the car.
the nonsense about driving to conditions being about ignoring speed limits. That’s just bollocks. And you know fine well that isn’t what anyone means when they use that phrase
I think it’s true. If not there wouldn’t be any need for limits as everyone would be able to judge for themselves. Not everyone, but there’s definitely some who think they can blatantly ignore limits because they think they know better and the conditions allow for it.
This is interesting, because it’s not talking about speed limits, it’s talking about traffic flow
@cougar did you go and read the rest of the document? They do talk about limits and impacts.
Yeah there are the mob who think an IAM certificate gives them a driving god licence but that's not what anyone was talking about. Just as "making progress" is something you do every day (it's the whole purpose of overtaking slower vehicles) as opposed to a euphemism for speeding as some seem to believe.
I will admit that, yes, on rare occasions those road conditions may allow a faster than normal speed but that is the exception, not the rule and in any case illegal. And as pointed out we cannot trust people to judge those rare occasions appropriately so we apply blanket limits.
It’s to do with the new ev vehicles that volvo are planning to build. All volvos will do 112mph ev or dino juice. It allso means cost saving as the ev only need one gearbox and not the two they currently need to achieve the higher speeds.
It’s got very little to do with safety its just spun that way.
It’s probably marketing. What difference would it make if you crash into a wall at 90mph or 112mph? Maybe a little bit not much.
As for 112mph, we have two Volvos - one probably can’t even go 112mph and the other will not be going anywhere near that speed with me behind the wheel. 70mph feels fast these days, especially going past schools (joke). 112mph makes no difference whatsoever to real world driving safely.
Whenever I see a van that says “limited to 70mph” I always want to write in the dirt after it “in urban areas”.
Don’t dismiss IAM training or things like that. Many use it as an excuse but most use it to drive more safely and raise awareness. It’s like advanced cycle training - you can see the roadies that have been on the course, riding very assertively, even when it is down-right dangerous. It takes judgement and that is the hard part, being human and all.
It also means cost saving as the ev only need one gearbox and not the two they currently need to achieve the higher speeds.
EVs don't need a gearbox. They have a reduction gear and that's it. Teslas have just one gear and they're plenty quick. My Zoé will just about get to the 130kmh limit but there's not much point on a long journey as time spent charging eliminates gains made going faster. Just go with the flow.
Ok, what about limiting the speed of cycles to 15mph? automatically applying the brakes so you couldnt go faster?
thats the same isnt it?
Electric bikes are limited to 25kmh, Andy. Even with limiter set my car doesn't automatically apply the brakes so I'd expect the Volvo to do more than 112mph if you can find a hill steep enough (plenty around here). If they fit just pedals to a Volvo I'd be happy for drivers to travel at any speed they can pedal up to.
So yes it's the same. It would be nice if both cars and cycles were limited to the same speed for the same power source..
Ok, what about limiting the speed of cycles to 15mph? automatically applying the brakes so you couldnt go faster?
thats the same isnt it?
How’s it the same? Genuinely curious here? Do you apply the same random 15mph limit to motorbikes or can they obey speed limits?
@cougar did you go and read the rest of the document?
I didn't, I was just replying to the comments posted here.
Sorry meant to say hybrid instead of full ev.
Ok, what about limiting the speed of cycles to 15mph? automatically applying the brakes so you couldnt go faster?
thats the same isnt it?
Not really... not least because there is no upper speed limit for bicycles on British roads.
Flamin' Nora, aren't people strange, I think I'd need to ingest a shed load of hallucinogenics to arrive at some of these opinion comments.
Good move by Volvo, including with regards to their marketing and brand image. And I type that as someone who has a Volvo that can exceed 112mph.
So you crashed into some poor woman and then blamed her you ****.
That post is wrong on so many levels, CountZero. Sexist, misogynist and victim blaming. I've supsected you are an arrogant aggressive driver for years, here is absolute confirmation. And in case you try a stealth edit:
All the bloody time. One I followed for four or five miles at roughly 25mph (indicated). No opportunity to overtake, I had to stick behind her doing even less when we got into the 30mph roads. When she got to a roundabout and indicated right, I gave a little ‘hallelujah’ and carried straight on, only to have the dozy bint swerve across and force herself past me on the exit, smashing my offside wing in. When asked what she was doing, she said I was driving too close, (I was about a car length behind at 15mph), and when I pointed out she’d indicated and turned righ, she said “well, I changed my mind”
Honestly people can be bloody dangerous at little more than walking pace, and I’m sure I read somewhere that the majority of fatal accidents take place within national speed limits; if that woman’s driving is an example it’s not surprising.
Edukator ..not for the first time have I thought you a pompous idiot
Well in tha absence of web cam footage we only have one version and after yreas of posting making progress type replies on motoring threads superstar car delivery man countzero reaches peak intolerance.
CountZero clearly made a stupid overtake and crashed into someone, how else would it be a "wing"?
The problem when you spend years railing about women drivers, slow driver and bragging about racing around the country delivering other peoples intersting cars is that you build a profile that says that CountZero and those like him are the problem rather than the people they slag off. Or it's all pure fiction, I could just be the last honest person on the Internet.
For everybody who thinks it’s a good move by Volvo, I wonder what their opinion is of their hybrid T8 engines which produce about 400bhp.
I can’t see how the two sit together? You don’t need to be able to do more than 100mph, as long as you can get there in about 10 seconds? Am I missing something?
hybrid T8 engines which produce about 400bhp.
Are they fitted in their 40t trucks? If so it seems reasonable, if not then in answer to your questions
They don't
That would appear to be the policy
No.
So, they’re hypocrites then? The more I’ve thought about this, the more pointless a message it seems given the above.
Not necessarily. I suspect this is more to do with the German market that the UK. In Germany limiting vehicles to 112 means something. As other Autobahn users have noted the current German laws are barmy and Volvo is making a big statement.
I know Edukator that you are in France and this might have made you mis interpret Count Zero’s message. Going straight on a UK roundabout whilst someone is using the inside of the roundabout to turn an indicated right exit is not an overtake, nor against the Highway Code. Changing your mind mid roundabout and exiting without indicating and hence hitting a driver side wing shows the other driver at fault. I think you owe Count Zero an apology.
If someone is driving as badly as CountZero claims and you've followed them for as long as he claims you'd give them a realy wide birth wouldn't you. If there really was an accident I suggest he rammed the woman in road rage because if he gets half as het up on the road as he does on this forum and hates slow/women drivers as much as he has demostrated on this forum that is far more likely than what he claims.
He been provocative on driving threads for years. The language he uses, "dozy bint" suggests he's seeking a reaction here and I'm giving it to him.
Reckon Volvo sales might dip here in the Vaterland.
Lots of people simply take their new cars along to the garage and have them derestricted. After all, 155mph is just cruising speed for some.
Anyhow I've reported CountZero's post, first report in a hell of long time.
@edukator wow! You have just made it worse by suggesting he rammed her. Honest you are unbelievable troll
You need to read through CountZero's posting history, Tony. Were you a witness Tony?
When she got to a roundabout and indicated right, I gave a little ‘hallelujah’ and carried straight on, only to have the dozy bint swerve across and force herself past me on the exit, smashing my offside wing in.
Top tip for avoiding accidents - never get alongside anyone at a roundabout, unless you can't avoid it, because of exactly this kind of situation. Also people straight-lining whilst going straight on and cutting up right-turners on the inside. Happens all the time.
This is critical. At 15mph a cars length is nowhere near enough.
Reaction time is:
15 mph = 22 ft. per second
Then you have to brake.
CountZero was by his own admission driving too close and is clearly of the impression it's OK.
Or it's all just fiction
@edukator of course I wasn’t there. Neither were you. Hence I don’t comment on these sorts of posts. I certainly don’t claim things like another poster deliberately rammed someone even if I don’t like them.
Molgrips post is a good example of a good reply. Even considered and appropriate.
And what do you think of "dozy bint", Tony? You Haven't commented on the misogynist/sexist nature of CountZero's initial post, was that "considered and appropriate" in your view?
My response was considered that I can assure you. It's up to the mods to decide if it's appropriate on the page - they have the power to remove both my posts and me. I've reported the post and one of them will pick up on this. I really don't want to be on a forum where posts such as CountZeros can be posted without a strong reaction from other users being acceptable or the mods themselves acting.
Good night.
Can we get Eds old tag back please, people might just stop feeding him.
Ok final comment from me. Count Zero’s use of “dozy bint” wasn’t appropriate or respectful. However your tesponse was totally out of proportion, personal and vitriolic.
One for the petrolheads
Bugatti release most expensive sports car ever
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/bugatti-la-voiture-noire
Sent via @updayUK
Wonder how much this would be worth with a top speed of 112mph ...😁
I think a car length at 15mph is much too close though. Reminds me of the conversation I had with a work colleague describing the accident he had been in. He said that a car had crashed in front of him and he'd been unable to avoid it. 'I wasn't going to fast though, only 85'.
I told him that 'too fast' and 'too close' are defined as being unable to avoid stuff happening in front of you, and he seemed surprised and confused by this.
Read the thread from the start, Tony, paying particular attention to Squirrelking's posts. Should I add you to *******, **, *****, **, *,******* and the other petrolhead, driving-god fantasists (and their apologists )on this forum.
They are nervous drivers, drivers who can’t see properly and shit themselves every time they see something oncoming, drivers who – for reasons best known to themselves – drive at an arbitrary amount below the limit so they can sanctimoniously post on internet forums about how safe a driver they are and just people who actually don’t know what the limit is.
Pure invention and provocation from Squirelking, I ignored it. I ignored this from him too:
You honestly talk the biggest pile of horse crap.
Sharkbait got pretty personal too, I ignored that too. You, Tony, are developing a fixation.
There are no tags anymore, Squirelking, not even for the mods.
This MTB forum has a small number of very vocal, insulting, speed-worshiping petrol heads who pop up on any speed related car thread and start complaining about people going about there buisness perfectly safely but at less than the maximum allowed speed.
Sharkbait got pretty personal too
Really, where?
If you think that line is twice the length of the gap then you need to get your eyes checked.
Especially when the highway marking link and all the evidence says I'm right.
You slagged off my eyesight on the basis of a factually incorrect assumption, Sharkbait:
it looks like an Astra type car to me which is just less than 4m long
The Astra model in the vid is 4.702m long.
You also rubbished my claim about the most economical speed and gear, Sharkbait, without checking and in "vitriolic terms". When I posted a link you let that one drop because it clearly showed I was right and you were wrong. You have a habit of rubbishing other people and post rubbish first, check later, and it does you no good. Read back through your claims on this thread, do some reading on automotive engineering and check out my statements compared with yours.
One more thought, if faster accelerating cars are really are safer as some here claim, why do insurance companies demand such high premiums for them?
Ed, step away, for your own sanity as much as ours. You've made your point, time to leave the thread.
You're right Molgrips.
Edukator ..do most people when they meet you in person bring along a legal brief ..just in case they say something you find offensive ..you are easily offended sunshine ..
Dozy = ...lethargic ..not paying attention .
Bint ( in its original Arabic form) = "woman" "any woman" ..
In the context in which Countzero used the term..I would 100% wholeheartedly agree..ie the woman wasn't paying attention and was completely to blame for the accident.
You also rubbished my claim about the most economical speed and gear, Sharkbait, without checking and in “vitriolic terms”. When I posted a link you let that one drop because it clearly showed I was right and you were wrong.
As far as I'm aware I've posted absolutely nothing about gears and economical speed.
So if you'd like to quote my posts to enlighten me I'd appreciate it, otherwise I think an apology is in order.
I can't quite believe the sheer level of emotion shown here - it's astonishing (but as this is STW, in no way surprising!)
Seriously, Edukator, step away from the keyboard!
See, I'd say that if Count zero was as good a driver as he thinks he is (I'm assuming he's a fella), he'd have backed off a bit and left the 'dozy bint' to it if she looked a bit uncertain as to where she was going to avoid any potential accident(s). Expect the unexpected!
Anyhoo, speed limited to 112mph is A Good Thing I reckon.
edit- I don't think Edukator's being any more thin-skinned than those of you who are having difficulty with his posts, he just seems like a fella (assumption again, sorry) who speaks out against Those Who Will Not Be Wrong (again, mostly fellas) and seems to use facts to de-bunk a lot of the guff that's been posted on here.
Dozy = …lethargic ..not paying attention .
Bint ( in its original Arabic form) = “woman” “any woman” ..
Did you manage to type that whilst keeping a straight face?
Hmm, from Collins:
noun
offensive, derogatory, slang
a girl or woman
Rule #2: if another road user looks erratic give them room.
A car length isn't "room".
I’m brilliant at driving.... and fighting.
Anyone want a fight?
I’ll drive right over. Really quickly.
@ranos ..yep..the whole of the time I was typing it ..😉
They are nervous drivers, drivers who can’t see properly and shit themselves every time they see something oncoming, drivers who – for reasons best known to themselves – drive at an arbitrary amount below the limit so they can sanctimoniously post on internet forums about how safe a driver they are and just people who actually don’t know what the limit is.
Pure invention and provocation from Squirelking, I ignored it. I ignored this from him too:
And now the armchair engineer/lawyer/polymath accuses me of being a liar.
Do you want dashcam footage? Because unlike CountZero I can quite easily provide it. I could also provide the links to at least one forum member who has bragged about doing this in the past but unlike you I can't remember who it was off hand as I'm not a creepy stalker and don't keep records.
Also, you owe Sharkbait a big apology, both of those accusations you have flung at him were based on posts made by me. Maybe if you weren't getting your knickers in a twist you would have stopped and checked that before throwing about baseless insults and making yourself look like a bigger arse than you already have. As it is your point makes no sense for the reasons I laid out when I responded, it was actually you who gave that one up so, again, facts. Then again, if you can't tell the difference between my name and Sharkbait (both start with 'S' so I guess it's an easy mistake to make if you're too busy ranting to pay even a cursory amount of attention) then I can see why you may think he never replied.
Kayla - it's not Ed's opinions that are at odds here it's the way he presents them as indisputable facts. In. Every. Single. Thread. He is an arrogant sod and quite frankly I don't appreciate being called a liar by the man who would make Trump look modest.
Don’t you think you should all just grow up a bit?
It’s a pretty damning indictment when the generally most childish and peurile poster on the forum feels the need to point out that you are behaving like petulant man-babies.
Did you all go to bed and genuinely wake up raging about this?
There will be no winners here.
Did you all go to bed and genuinely wake up raging about this?
Nope.
I'll always give someone the benefit of the doubt (as we all make mistakes) but my patience wears thin if they continue to be consistently outspoken arrogant idiot for more than, say, a couple of years!
I'll feel like a winner if I get an apology but somehow I think that, true to form, this will be ignored.
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