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The Crud Claw, to clear the crap from between your cassette teeth, still got a brand new one in a box somewhere...

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How about Dr. Dew brake lever extensions, so you could pull your brakes from your bar-ends!
They knackered the ends of your levers & fell off without much persuasion...

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Posted : 08/11/2016 7:49 pm
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Is it wrong that I'm seriously considering Di2 as it'll let me mount additional shift buttons on my bar ends?


 
Posted : 08/11/2016 8:00 pm
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I still use grip shift and it's great.
And what was wrong with quill stems and threaded headsets ?


 
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Is it wrong that I'm seriously considering Di2 as it'll let me mount additional shift buttons on my bar ends?
Not really. The XTR rapidfire remote was actually a moderately good idea for the sort of racing that was common back then. It was just terribly executed. Each one of mine lasted about a month or 6 weeks before it got sloppy and stopped working properly, i had three of four of them wear out before i went back to just shifting normally. I know a few others who had similar experiences.

For Touring or sort of XCM racing (lots of fireroad), Di2 remote shifters is *probably* not a hugely bad idea.


 
Posted : 08/11/2016 8:56 pm
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Count 'em!

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Spinergy, URT, XTR remote, massive saddle, bar ends at a bonkers angle...!


 
Posted : 08/11/2016 9:01 pm
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Scott-Pedersen self energising cantilevers....

Never saw a set in the wild.


 
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CFH - has a small bottom(?)


 
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Another "never seen in the wild" evolutionary dead end, Odyssey Paralevers.
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Posted : 08/11/2016 9:42 pm
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Odyssey Aerator Seatpost. Was a seat post with a pump built into it. Still have one in the shed, guess it must be more than 20 years old!


 
Posted : 08/11/2016 10:40 pm
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what was wrong with quill stems and threaded headsets ?

You need a pair of flipping massive spanners to adjust them, as opposed to just a hex key? They're much heavier because they use lots more material to do the same job? You have to thread and maybe slot the steerer as well as cutting it down on fitting? They came loose all the time if you rode over rough stuff, like on an MTB?

Bloody dreadful design, modern headsets are waaaay better. You're right about gripshift though.


 
Posted : 08/11/2016 10:42 pm
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I loved my dual control.
Would buy again 100 %.
Never got mixed up between brakes and gear changes and it left the bars uncluttered. Though I spec helps alleviate this problem now.


 
Posted : 08/11/2016 11:38 pm
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I switched to grishift way back in the 90's when I bought a pair of X Rays.

I just can't get my head around any other kind of shifting now.

That says as much about me as it does about gripshift though.

Shame they are a lot more needlessly complex than they used to be though.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 1:05 am
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"Scott-Pedersen self energising cantilevers.... Never saw a set in the wild."

I have some. Never seemed significantly better than normal cantis tbh.

(I've also got some of the Suntour ones that worked on the same principle)


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 9:47 am
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id buy that crud claw!

and if they did something to clean my jockey wheels id be a happy man


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 10:25 am
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and if they did something to clean my jockey wheels id be a happy man

They do, it's GT-85 and a rag.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 10:33 am
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[quote="CaptainFlashheart"]Spinergy, URT, XTR remote, massive saddle, bar ends at a bonkers angle...!Ah. A newbie.
That's a perfectly normal sized fizik Nisene.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 10:49 am
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I still have self energising sun tour cantis on my tandem. They don't seem to work any better then normal brakes.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 11:02 am
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Couldn't remember the name of the "wire for a downtube" bikes I posted yesterday - Slingshot, of course! And they still make them!

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Although most of the bikes on slingshotbikes.com do appear to have coventional downtubes.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 11:33 am
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Can I play? Magnesium frames a la Kirk.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 12:05 pm
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That's a perfectly normal sized fizik Nisene

I had one of those it was great! I lost it after my Bontrager seat post broke and the saddle subsequently fell out of my Camelbak when I was riding off the hills. I still look hopefully for it when I ride up there fifteen years later. I think it was the best saddle I've ever had.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 12:14 pm
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See a mint and era-appropriately specced Kirk most days commuting in Oxford.So they didn't ALL crack.

Semislick rear tyres with large edge knobs.

Never been to a CX race, then! I ran Challenge file treads with large side knobs front and rear all summer and most of this current 'winter' season.

The Lemond, Scott and similar bars were killed off by UCI regs not by them being poor.


 
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[quote="beargrease"]I think it was the best saddle I've ever had.for its time, yeah it was pretty good.

[quote="crashtestmonkey"]The Lemond, Scott and similar bars were killed off by UCI regs not by them being poor.no, the UCI banned them as they were dangerous in bunch racing. In other words, they were poor.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 1:31 pm
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I don't know about a "dead end" - I quite fancy trying a HammerSchmidt on my Liteville.

SRAM are quite good at launching interesting things involving epicyclic gears, then not developing them any further. See also the Automatix hub.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 1:41 pm
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Why not a Schlumpf or its cheaper incarnation, ATS speed-drive?


 
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Can I play? Magnesium frames a la Kirk.

Did Ironman Canada on one of them back in '93, loved that bike!

Not my bike but...

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Posted : 09/11/2016 2:19 pm
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Why not a Schlumpf or its cheaper incarnation, ATS speed-drive?

Oh dear, I've just bought a bike with a Schlumpf...


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 2:25 pm
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I used to run a Hammerschmitd. It was fine till I got fitter and just went 1x10 and now 1x11.

I now realise that simple things are pretty much always an improvement over complicated things.

Especially when you include mud and people.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 2:26 pm
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Arlo Englund air cartridges - to replace the elasomers in crappy '90s forks. Air springs with 30cc of volume and air damping.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 2:43 pm
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Rotor 'articulated' Cranks

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https://bikemagic.com/bike-components/rotor-cranks.html

Rotor still exists of course but they just seem to sell conventional cranks and oval chainrings now....


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 2:49 pm
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Posted : 09/11/2016 3:03 pm
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Derailleurs.

Wait a few years and you'll see I'm right... 🙂


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 3:09 pm
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They've been saying that since I started in 1983


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 3:18 pm
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They've been saying that since I started in 1983

I was saying it back then too.

Just wait... 🙂


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 3:49 pm
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regs not by them being poor.
no, the UCI banned them as they were dangerous in bunch racing. In other words, they were poor.

Yeah. Just like disc brakes.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 4:35 pm
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Weren't those bikes with a wire for a downtube called 'Crossbow' too ?


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 4:36 pm
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HID lights

Still got a Hope HID i bought in 2006. Works perfectly. Its kind of humiliated in the lumens stakes buy anything costing more then £30 these days though.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 4:59 pm
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Ah - the "CoolTool". Still useful if you've got a bolt up hub gear - Katie has it in her 'city' pack.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 5:08 pm
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Still got a Hope HID i bought in 2006. Works perfectly.

I had two (don't ask) Lupine Edisons. I reckon they were much better than the cheap LEDs I have now. Problem is that after maybe 5 years or so the bulbs went, and it was a hundred ****ing quid for a replacement!


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 5:12 pm
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24" wheel DH bikes.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 5:14 pm
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Weren't those bikes with a wire for a downtube called 'Crossbow' too ?

Might be the Corratec Race Bow that you're thinking about.
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Can we add coloured tyres to the dead ends? Not skinwalls, obviously.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 8:34 pm
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Slingshot.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 8:40 pm
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According to the experts at Bikeradar,
[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/article/why-the-275-plus-standard-is-doomed-48551/ ]27.5+[/url]. I hadn't even realised it was a thing, so I guess it'll be gone before I ever try one.

Possibly contentious but... Rohloff. I had one, they're still around, but it's not really evolving, is it? It's kinda like a crocodile - it just is, and it's happy in its own little niche, without having to evolve into anything better.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 9:32 pm
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Rapid rise. I wish they still made them but sadly it's dead..


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 9:52 pm
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There was this ...
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And then there was a triple clamp conversion to tame the performance of your 63mm travel judys.


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 9:54 pm
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"Railed it"


 
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According to the experts at Bikeradar,
27.5+. I hadn't even realised it was a thing, so I guess it'll be gone before I ever try one.

Damnit - mine is due to arrive next week!

Fortunately it can take 29" wheels too so I can just move back to them... unless Bikeradar have ruled they are for the chop too!

My submission - mahoosive frames that you will "grow into". My Raleigh Memphis was a 24" monster! It was like a gate with wheels!


 
Posted : 09/11/2016 10:42 pm
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There was this ...

I've got one of those. 🙂

(It's intended for one of my Frankenstein projects, possibly a SS event)


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 12:08 am
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Always hoped it would prevent chainsuck....

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Posted : 10/11/2016 1:45 am
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Elastomers
V-brakes
rims that are far to narrow for the tyre size.
Tubular knobblies

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I'm thinking that a rigid version of this would allow 29" boost disk wheels to be attached into a 26" brake boss only frame.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 5:49 am
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There was this

What is that?!?!


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 7:24 am
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I've got one of those.

Please tell us how it rides 🙂


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 9:58 am
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wow, power grips still exist!

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I hated toe clips and straps and bought a pair of these just as SPDs came out... They were purple with yellow writing 🙂


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 10:09 am
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Power grips useful for people who want to do lots of hikeabike as you can use walking boots. Also useful in mega cold conditions because you can wear proper winter boots.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 10:27 am
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LOt of the guys round here use them, so they can do XC/trail type riding through the winter wearing their normal winter hiking boots.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 10:31 am
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[quote="crashtestmonkey"]Yeah. Just like disc brakes.Um, no. Actually nothing at all like disc brakes.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 10:32 am
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Power grips - actually they were pretty good.

Not really a dead-end, as mentioned they are a solution to a problem some people actually have.

I've had balls of ice where my clips should be when trying to ride in the snow sometimes. So if I did live somewhere that was normally snowy I probably get some, along with a fat bike.

(Actually if I really did have balls of ice Id be on telly, till they melted)


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 12:03 pm
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How about matching collar and cuffs (front and rear shocks anyway)?

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Posted : 10/11/2016 2:16 pm
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Ghostly, my point being a UCI ruling is no real judgement of how good a product/component is.

And for the "CX bike" troll a few pages back, not only is CX clearly thriving (Wessex had to cap Oxford round at 400 and were turning racers away) but surely the gravel bike is the next step along that evolutionary branch (Niner just stuck more braze-ons on their RLT) so clearly not a dead end.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 2:22 pm
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HID lights

I wouldn't have said HIDs were a dead end as such more a stepping stone. HIDs combined with the then more common NiMH batteries gave great light output and increased runtimes, then coupled with Li-Ion batteries the same runtime for less weight or increased runtime for similar weight.

Then LEDs had developed sufficiently to be a viable option, although I'm not sure the light pattern and output has greatly exceeded a HID, the price has though.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 3:00 pm
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Forks with grease as the lubricant. And trying to service them.

And the irreversible auto-lockout of PACE forks if it rained.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 3:11 pm
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Forks with grease as the lubricant.

I like this idea. You always have the grease where it's needed, and you can always add more. And grease is the right substance for the job. Never mind faffing about changing oil.

Considering adding grease ports to my current forks.


 
Posted : 10/11/2016 3:21 pm
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What is this weirdness? It get that it's something to do with the brake, but why is there suspension on it? It's a hardtail, right?!? 🙂


 
Posted : 11/11/2016 9:40 am
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Suspension dropouts. The whole wheel is free to move.


 
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