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Bergamont were some of the heaviest(quoted) I looked at they quote 9.8kg I reckon 10.5-11kg no pedals if kryton would weigh his ?
I don’t think sub 10kg is available for sub £1000
Any £1000 Hardtail with pogostick up front replaced with rigid fork will be similar weight to a gravel rig
Similar weight to what gravel bike though? Let's use your example of a 10.7kg gravel bike. Now give me an example of a £1000 hardtail that would be same weight with a 800g rigid fork.
Cannondale Cujo 1 - £999 and 13.7kg
Swap 2.2kg forks for 0.8kg rigid and weight is now 12.3.
Still heavier than similar priced gravel bike. Why do you think the gravel bike should be so much lighter anyway as both bikes have discs, similar gears, chain sets, stems, seat post, etc,. The only things that are different and have to be heavier on the MTB are tyres and forks.
Actually please show me a sub 10kg gravel bike for rrp £1000
I don't think you'll get sub-9kg for less than a grand. Although you'll certainly be able to find 10kg+ for more than £1000 - I was amazed by how much some really, really expensive bikes weighed!
e.g. Whyte Glencoe - £1300 and weighs 11.5kg! The chap in the shop didn't seem impressed when I pointed out that it was heavier than my full-suss!
For comparison, I paid £1600 for a Ridley X-Trail Carbon Ultegra and that weighs 8.7kg after I swapped the tyres and converted to tubeless. I don't think I'd go lighter than this for the riding I do.
Well take that up with Kryton who says he has one....
How much are you spending to get a MTB HT to 10kg?
Diverge E5 Elite
https://www.cyclingabout.com/2018-specialized-diverge-light-touring-bikes/
Is apparently coming in just over the 10kg mark on the scales for an alu frame and all the bits that go with it and £999
But plenty of examples of bikes at a good weight for the price already.
its a sort of continuum based on density
carbon fibre bikes, aluminium alloy bikes, titanium alloy bikes, steel bikes, mineral aggregate bikes
makes sense when you look at it like this
No idea what my Diverge weighs but it feels only slightly heavier than my Giant Defy.
For a given price the MTB will be using similar level of components as the gravel bike with some components being very similar (seat, post, stem, mech, cassette, chains, wheels, disc brakes etc,.) which only really leaves the following
Fork 1.5kg heavier
Tyres 600g heavier
Frame 500g heavier (The MTB frame doesn't really need to be heavier than the gravel frame if using same material but lets say it is beefier and therefore 500g more)
Difference is therefore around 2.5kg. For £1000 you get a 10-11kg gravel bike or a 13-14kg MTB which seems to be what we are seeing. Even when going expensive bike the gravel bike would be around 7-8kg while ether MTB would be around 9-10kg so still 2KG difference.
Maybe I’m expecting too much 🙁 Guess it’s less likely to break/fall to bits if it’s overbuilt !! Still lots of heavy gravel bikes for what they are though
Bergamont were some of the heaviest(quoted) I looked at they quote 9.8kg I reckon 10.5-11kg no pedals if kryton would weigh his ?
I just the standing on the digital scales x 3 with then without bike.
So totally stock, still tubes in, with the addition of 2 x Elite Cages, 105 pedals, tape for the winter guards and a wahoo out front mount its 10.9kg.
Its a better Spec than the Diverge E5 Comp at the same weight though. Obvious weighty things are the stock wheels, OEM Performance Schwalbes, seat post stem & bars.
For me as stated above I don't want performance. I want a sturdy comfy winter bike for long Z2 rides, and early morning intervals around the local gravel based Park pathways, plus a "utility" bike for school runs etc. Fits the bill IMO.
Edit - not sure of other Gravel bikes but the Bergamont has some massive tubing. The Headtube is as wide as my forearm.
Pinnacle Arkose X 2018 is listed as 9.5kg. Seems respectable what with hydraulic brakes etc. £900
Still lots of heavy gravel bikes for what they are though
Not sure why you are expecting massive weight differences - the only difference is forks, tyres and a bit of difference in frame between a gravel bike and an MTB. What bit don't you understand?
Relight mustang elite can be had for about 850. They’re 10.4 kg so spend the remaining 150 on best bang for buck weight saving.
tyres, bars, saddle, etc to get the weight under 10.
Gt grade alloy tiagra.
850 and 10.1 kg
You need too look harder.
Also, Planet X xla is 700 for 10.5kg.
looking at the spec it would be easy to get that sub 9 or less for under a grand.
I have never weighed a bike and don’t understand the need unless racing competitively. I wouldn’t trust a really light bike and would assume it’s going to break easily (I’m probably wrong). Steel all the way for me
Also, Planet X xla is 700 for 10.5kg.
I bet that doesn't come with a lifetime (Scott) warranty, a set of gears and related paraphernalia at the front, and has mechanical disks. You aren't comparing like for like, especially if you are wanting a road orientated in the main like me.
There's £300 and about 700g to add right there....
I have never weighed a bike and don’t understand the need unless racing competitively.
When I've been building bikes and upgrading I've done it to see best value upgrades, some stuff adds very little in weight or performance but costs a lot.
The best conclusion from this thread is lots of bikes weigh different amounts...
Nothing wrong with light if it's built well and used as intended,
The only other reason for weighing things is to join in the pissing contests 🙂
Anyway I'll probably take my nice light gravel bike out for a ride this weekend somewhere.
The only other reason for weighing things is to join in the pissing contests
Anyway I’ll probably take my nice light gravel bike out for a ride this weekend somewhere.
And I will take my even lighter gravel bike out
**** all of you. I'm taking my FS out, which is the same weight as my Gravel bike... 😉
So long as we are all having fun on the bikes it's all good!!
Folks still quoting listed weights. I’d add at least a kilo(being kind) to what manufacturers state.
Yes weight isnt isn’t the be all and end all but still heavy in my eyes.
Folks still quoting listed weights. I’d add at least a kilo(being kind) to what manufacturers state.
Mine was within 50g so no need to add 1kg... I guess that means on your logic we just move everything up 1kg so the weight gaps remain the same.
My carbon race hard tail with tubeless xc race tyres, no dropper and sids weighed more than my bottom of the range caad x and cost twice the price.
You aren't comparing like for like as you can't get a sub 10kg mtb for anything like a grand retail. As has been said similar priced mtbs weigh around 2kg more than a gravel bike, which is mainly in fork and tyres. Every other part is pretty much similar weight so why would you expect it to be lighter if you exclude these parts. Similar weight groupset, similar weight wheels, similar weight frame and finishing kit. Where do you expect the savings to come?
And if you flip it round and compare it to a road bike, how many disk braked sub 1k Road bikes come in at under 9kg off the shelf? Probably not many.. The spesh allez elite is about 8.6 without disk brakes, and thats got one of the lightest frame and forks you will find on an alu bike at that price point. That's the quoted weight without pedals as I recall.
If anyone cares (doubt it) my velobuild gravel bike was £1100 to build and weighs 9.3kg with pedals, top tube bag and f+r lights. If I took the lights off it would be well under 9kg. It's got 105 5800 hydro group and prime wheels. It's also massive fun to ride (the important bit)
Folks still quoting listed weights. I’d add at least a kilo(being kind) to what manufacturers state.
Yes weight isnt isn’t the be all and end all but still heavy in my eyes.
I have a photo of my scales. Does that count? 🙂
The only other reason for weighing things is to join in the pissing contests
...unless you're in the shop about to drop premium money on a bike that weighs more than a non-premium bike elsewhere. Once you have the bike, I agree that it doesn't matter, but over and over again I've found that a lighter bike is nearly always more fun to ride than a heavier one and I will try to buy something at the lighter end of the scale when I can.
(My last 3 bikes were all weighted for me in the shop prior to purchase. Mwaaahaha!)
I’ve found that a lighter bike is nearly always more fun to ride than a heavier one
That’s interesting. I’ve never found that to be the case. Two of the most fun bikes I’ve had were a Bfe and Trans AM. Both proper porkers. I suppose it depends on what constitutes fun on an individual basis though. Current bike (Cotic Flare) is the most fun I’ve ever had. Not sure if it’s classed as heavy or light though.
That’s interesting. I’ve never found that to be the case. Two of the most fun bikes I’ve had were a Bfe and Trans AM. Both proper porkers
I guess the comparison would be how they run in a light but strong aka expensive build 😉
Also recently I've found claimed weight to be a lot closer (and possibly why spec and giant don't quote them on their sites)
Don’t think it would be possible to make a light Trans AM build 😀
Light bikes are better all things being equal Imo, but what makes the most difference is the wheels and tyres. I've bought a number of sub 1k cx bikes over the years and all felt pretty sluggish with the standard wheels and tyres they come with, which usually means a Wheelset weighing over 2k and some non folding variety of schwalbe performance range tyres. Swapping then for something lighter transformed the bikes.
That's not exclusive to gravel and cx bikes though. I recently bought a spesh allez, and by swapping the wheels and tyres it came with to some mavics with gp4000s I saved 900 gms.
In my experience, if weight is a concern most bikes that costs under a 1k will require the wheels being swapped straight out the box.
They’re all heavy shit when blowing out your arse up a windy climb and your mates about 800mtrs in front blowing raspberries at you.
Bikes are heavy.
Grow some legs.
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
Christ make a few observations and your branded a”Troll”
scotroutes must have a really heavy gravel bike ?
Christ make a few observations and your branded a”Troll”
Well refuse evidence is a good start
Christ make a few observations and your branded a”Troll”
You are either really struggling to understand something very basic or you are deliberately keeping people going, which is it?
Can you understand that the only really differences between an MTB and a gravel bike are forks, tyres and a bit of frame material. That difference is typically 2-3 kg. All the other parts can be the same or very similar with no real difference in weight.
The fact you are expecting a gravel bike to be light is irrelevant, it weighs what it does in perspective to the MTB (and a road bike) for the same cost. You could build a gravel bike that weighs 6kgs and you would then think wow that is light for a gravel bike. The next thing you wouldn't understand is why does that gravel bike cost £8000
Evidence ? Quoting manufacturers weights is not evidence.
Ok some gravel bikes are heavier than others as are all bikes. I’m just surprised some big hitters are turning out pretty heavy bikes for a fair wedge of cash £1500-£2000 when few cheaper ones are more heft friendly.
Lighter bike is always more pleasant to ride over long periods.
Title of thread -
<h1 class="post-title">Why are gravel bikes so heavy.</h1>
in conclusion, they aren’t.
why are sub £1000 bikes so heavy.
in conclusion, they aren’t.
so to summarise. Bikes can be heavy or light and cost doesn’t necessarily dictate the outcome.
thread closed........................
Evidence ? Quoting manufacturers weights is not evidence.
All of the weights I quoted were from reviews.
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/factory-outlet/category.html#category=road-bikes&id=26411
£1,439, 8.9kgs. That's pretty respectable I'd have thought?
I’m just surprised some big hitters are turning out pretty heavy bikes for a fair wedge of cash £1500-£2000 when few cheaper ones are more heft friendly.
You must be surprised at a high number of things on a daily basis.
Is it not because lots of people who buy gravel bikes don't really want it to be good? It's like my old rigid xc bike, it was interestingly shit. Why put a lot of effort into making your interestingly shit bike good? Eventually it might even stop being shit and then where are you?
See also my thread abput the Cinelli Zydeco, £1500 and mmanufacturer's stated weight for a medium is 10.4kg without pedals, so easily 11kg for a large with pedals.
My £1300 Trek Superfly is 10.8kg on the scales with pedals, although that's also with relatively light CX tyres and latex tubes and an upgraded XT cassette.
So a cheaper bike, WITH Rebas is lighter than a more expensive gravel/cx bike.
The conclusion on that thread was that you're paying a premium for the Cinelli logo, but I reckon overall ypu pay a premium for 'gravel' but also for road discs/hydraulic STIs.
13thfloormonk at least grasps what I'm on about !! Aye the canyon will be ok till frame breaks 🙁
Just figured folks buying into gravel/fast off road would enjoy it more if most companies churned out a reasonable weight bike without charging silly money.
Canyon is a road bike ?
Aye I'm surprised how many folks on here are either in denial/got shafted with an overly heavy gravel bike 😉