[Closed] Who was banned today?

Don't know, but I would guess this was the thread.
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/my-dog-ate-my-spd-shoes

Graeme Fuller - Managing Director @ Surf Sales and legendary windurf forum botherer apparently.

Electra, Dakine, Transition etc importer...

If it was him on the SPD thread, it was a lame attempt at humour (April 1st related?), rather unfunny and offensive.

[i]April 1st related?[/i]

doubt it, he started it yesterday and has, reportedly, reacted in a similar vein to being banned.

what was his log on?

G.R.F - he started the thread.

I read the thread earlier and I just assumed it was a 12 year old kid or something?? Wow - just goes to show...

Rachel

he started it yesterday and has, reportedly, reacted in a similar vein to being banned.

gazes into the crystal ball....

singletrack issue 68

'so out of all the bikes on test, the transition [i]xxxxx[/i] falls well short of the mark'

was nearly funny, then let us all down in the end

Can I just take the opportunity to say that both the "community" and the mods do a really good job of dealing with things like homophobia etc on here - it really is a pretty fab place to be...

There's always going to be an idiot come along once in a while but they don't last long (or we all learn to laugh at them rather than with them!!)

Thanks!!

Rachel

Can I just take the opportunity to say that both the "community" and the mods do a really good job of dealing with things like homophobia etc on here - it really is a pretty fab place to be...

Disagree it's a bit too po-faced, for my tastes. But hey it's not my forum.

I read the thread earlier and I just assumed it was a 12 year old kid or something?? Wow - just goes to show...

I made the same assumption about that idiot.

Amazing he's an MD!

(edit:)

Can I just take the opportunity to say that both the "community" and the mods do a really good job of dealing with things like homophobia etc on here - it really is a pretty fab place to be...

well, yeah...but

I can't believe he actually meant it and I wasn't offended personally. I think you'd have to try hard to be cross about that sort of OTT mucking about, wouldn't you ?

Wasn't particularly offended by what he said, but rather that he said it, and said it again, then spouted a load more crap with what could have turned into a lame attempt at humour but never quite got there. Didn't go back but I assume it continued and he got his telling off, quite rightly as far as I am concerned.
Am sure he his having a good chunter to himself/other forums and will be fine.

I'm with Scaredypants on this one, surely anyone with more than half a brain cell would have realised he was taking the mick......

But as we know we arent allowed to poke fun at anyone or anything nowadays as there are just far too many do gooders in the world.

But as we know we arent allowed to poke fun at anyone or anything nowadays as there are just far too many do gooders in the world.

Ooh, so near yet so far to the magical 'it's PC gone mad'

But as we know we arent allowed to poke fun at anyone or anything nowadays as there are just far too many do gooders in the world.

Whether we think it was harmless OTT 'fun' or not, STW can't be seen to be tolerating 'this sort of thing' in the public domain ...

That's cobblers, almightydutch. People might think it's ok to make jokes at the expense of others, but they need to realise what offence they could cause. Someone made an offensive comment about me the other day, which I din't like, so I reported it and it was removed.

If you can't consider that your comments might cause offence, then you're a bit thick and ignorant, quite frankly. And it's not about others just needing a 'thick skin', it's about people treating everyone with respect, regardless of their difference.

GRF is a total **** * with no * which is why he likes to * ** ** * ** ** wednesday!

tru fact.

Oh the thread I was posting on.

[i]GRF is a total **** * with no * which is why he likes to * ** ** * ** ** wednesday![/i]

does this count as swear filter evasion?

Why the publicising of his name etc? I know its on his 'record' however to me its storm in a teacup.

Elfinsafety - Member
That's cobblers, almightydutch. People might think it's ok to make jokes at the expense of others, but they need to realise what offence they could cause. Someone made an offensive comment about me the other day, which I din't like, so I reported it and it was removed.

If you can't consider that your comments might cause offence, then you're a bit thick and ignorant, quite frankly. And it's not about others just needing a 'thick skin', it's about people treating everyone with respect, regardless of their difference.

fred, please re read what you have posted and tell me you are kidding.

Just read that dog/spd thread in question - are people really that sensitive??

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are people really that sensitive??

Apparently so...

Sensitive or hyper-sensitive to anger i.e. get angry at anything and rail at the world?

fred, please re read what you have posted and tell me you are kidding.

No; [i]you[/i] have a read and think about it. Can't be that difficult, surely...

TBH the original thread was just boring, but the attempt at 'humour' failed really. The basic premise seemed to be that SPD users are somehow 'homosexual', and that their supposed homosexuality is somehow a negative characteristic. Just a bit stupid and schoolboyish really.

Unless the OP of that thread is himself Gay, and it's meant to be ironic or something.

Just think about it, I'm not trying to be offensive to homosexual's in this comment but homosexuals are more feminine than us manly males as some one of you seem to think you are. Typically females are more sensitive than men so a homosexual looking at that thread could be seriously offended by what he was saying.

You're quite young, aren't you?

Ah, GRF was posting on that parallel-universe thread which seemed to be a load of 12 year olds squabbling.

You're quite young, aren't you?

Yes Elfin I am. As stated in my profile.

thought it was a great thread, GRF was taking the piss! some bit some came back with witty comments.
some people need to get a sense of humor!

some of the posters on here are genuinely rude, have they been banned ?

homosexuals are more feminine than us manly males

I'll hold your coat while you tell him that...

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There seems to have been a horrific change in attitude in this country of the last 10 years, from somewhere (and I have no idea where) lots and lots of people seem to think they have the right to not be offended by anyone and if they are offended by someone they automatically have the moral high ground. If someone does deliberately not set out to offend in what they do then the offense taken is the problem of the person who perceives it not in the person who has caused it.

The statement "I am offended" is nothing more than a whine, a whinge, a statement that someone else should think as you do. I disliked this surf person’s thread not because it was offensive but because it was bloody awful and I took the mick as such. To claim offense, as so many do is simply to feign outrage and is a lazy retort as it requires no real thought or invention and allows the claimant to feel smug and superior.

Yes Elfin I am.

Oh right ok. Thought so. 😉

I'll hold your coat while you tell him that...

Oh right ok. Thought so.

Why Elfin?

...homosexuals are more feminine than us manly males...

I'm going out now. I expect this thread to be locked as well by the time I get back.

[i]O.k, So maybe I should say generally more feminine. [/i]

Maybe what you shoudl say is;

"Generally, a representative cross section of the male population"

?

elfins being ageist, take offence and report him.

think the point elfins trying to make is that your comment could be read as a pretty immature point of view and a massive generalisation based on a stereotype about homosexual males... with age that view will hopefully change. i hope you dont take offence at this comment dude 🙂

think the point elfins trying to make is that your comment could be read as a pretty immature point of view and a massive generalisation based on a stereotype about homosexual males... with age that view will hopefully change. i hope you dont take offence at this comment dude

I understand what you are saying in full there phil. Just I have come to that conclusion from the homosexuals I have known and do know.

Saying that I also know some that are not feminine.

I cant edit that post, bugger. I didn't think about it in its entirety when I was typing it, my bad.

Right this thread is turning bad.

The thread in question may have started as humour but still humour that we received complaints about and as mentioned not something STW wants to be seen to promote. What jokes any of us make down the pub or with mates don't necessarily work in all environments this is one of them.

We received several complaints about the thread and the original posters attitude, he was warned and yet continued. We had no choice but to ban him for a set time as we believed he would continue his unwelcome humour.

It's nice to hear that the delightful Mr Fuller is continuing his rantings via email to stw's owners.

I can't imagine why he thinks associating brands like Dakine, Transition Bikes, Electra etc with anti homeosexual posts on forums is a 'good thing' but it's clearly a marketing strategy that he feels is a winner.

Making threats to magazine owners is a bit of an odd thing to do as well - I realise that the relationship is symbiotic on the reviews/adverts front but why wind people up for no reason?

but why wind people up for no reason?

It shows that you can somehow get to the top of the tree in you chosen profession and still be an idiot.

I wouldn't say he is top of the tree, just runs a small distributor.

Clearly a bit mad mind.

My Dakine hydration bag valve is always leaking too.

If you think you know GRF based on what he posts on forums, then...

... you don't know GRF.

homophobic - it's the last thing he is. He does like to wind-up prissy straights though.

winterfold - if he adopts a persona on here that's anti-gay it doesn't matter who or what he is in 'real' life he'll be judged by what he posts.

Following it up emailing abuse at stw staff doesn't seem to be the best way to prove it was a joke, either?

Maybe saying 'look it was a joke and I took it too far' and taking the banning on the chin would have been a more mature response?

It's nice to hear that the delightful Mr Fuller is continuing his rantings via email to stw's owners

I didnt know I was gay, I love my spd's

Some people can take a 'joke' and wind up better than others, some people can laugh it off, some will be offended, some will add fuel to the fire, some will object and get involved, others will sit back and find it hard to belive how some people react (im one of these...life far too short to bicker and argue about such cr@p like this although it is amusing reading the posts)and some just couldn't care in the slightest (me too).........but keep it up, good read on a wednesday morning

[i]How do we know this ? [/i]

there's been some twitterings.

any linkage WW?, or doesn't twitter work like that

either way, 🙄 all round

I really can't see how people don't see what was posted as offensive. I don't mean that I am necessarily offended by the apparent homophobia, I'm not getting offended on behalf of someone else, but I find the sentiments offensive to my sensibilities. What about terms like '****' 'coon' '****'. If someone uses those terms am I a being a 'guardian reader' because I am not of one of the ethnic minorities referred to like that, yet find the use of those terms offensive?

i thought this thread was locked?

or was it just opened so wwaswas could tell us what a bad boy GRF has been? 🙄

I thought it was locked as well before I searched but it's miraculously been 'unlocked' and nowt to do with me.

If it was just an 'average' stw member I wouldn't have posted - it's the fact that he was openly posting dubious stuff as MD of a largish company and then chose to get all antsy when challenged.

You can see Marks tweets

[url= http://twitter.com/#!/singletrackmark ]here[/url]

A muppet of the first order.

Unfortunately, I'll now associate Dakine with a ranting tosser. Nothing to do with the product quality, I accept.

Perhaps all publicity isn't good?

For me, at least, it was like listening to a small child whose big brother had just taught them to say something rude. Attention seeking high-camp OTT attempt to get a reaction. The worst thing you could do is acknowledge it.

I took no offence at the words or the way they were used. He can't* have meant it, way more likely to be (a shit) parody. Nobody** would be influenced by it to think differently about gay people, or spd users, so why would I be upset by it ?

* and ** - Exceptions to this must surely be endangered species due to inability to remember to breathe periodically and thus not of concern

re "**** etc" - offensive to me only in context, ie used as pejorative. I wouldn't use them now, but I managed eeny meeny when I was a kid without hating anyone.

this forum is funny, open hostility and bullying are tolerated but someone obviously taking the piss isn't?

if people reported him for taking the piss, maybe i should of reported the R.lepecha for abusing southerners and people who grew up on council estates? but found his adolescent indignation rather funny!

there was some great come backs from others and was a funny thread. beats what tyre for... any day!

PC gone mad!

xiphon - Member
Just read that dog/spd thread in question - are people really that sensitive??

CharlieMungus - Member
I really can't see how people don't see what was posted as offensive

wwaswas - if you want to judge people by their online persona - by and large a fiction - then that's your bag. Based on forums I would expect most people to be cocks - but meeting people in the real world suggests (mostly) they are not. I think it's always worth having that at the back of your mind.

The various 'extreme' sportists Interwebs and their fat middle-aged inhabitants giving themselves the big 'I am' are by and large ridiculous and need more GRFs poking fun at [b]their online presence[/b], not fewer.

Just out of curiosity - lots of threads go on about 'mincing' and stuff like 'jeycore niche' - is that kind of homophobia-lite OK? It seems to be perfectly Ok to be really rude to people on here.

pastcaring - I agree - there are some great double standards in evidence.

If people don't like his posts, then don't buy his handbags. Simples.

if people reported him for taking the piss, maybe i should of reported the R.lepecha for abusing southerners and people who grew up on council estates? but found his adolescent indignation rather funny!

I was not offending anyone on council estates, I was merely stating the information I have concluded about council estates from my years of living.

Although I was offensive to southerners. Though that is also info I have gained from my years of living.

very well put winterfold

GRF doesn't live to far from me. if we ever meet i'll buy him a handbag! er i mean a pint 😀

I'd say his (alleged) comments since the ban are far more condemning than the original idiot-on-a-forum posts he made.

I really can't see how people don't see what was posted as offensive
....
Never been the on the receiving end of bullying

What? Just to be clear, I do see it as offensive. I can't see how others don't.

Too far to Soon !

I guess GRF just didn't check out the Vibe of STW. Easily done!

Coming from where he used to 'play' everyone knew him and I guess deep down 'probably' actually like him, but then he has been around that industry forever so no-one took his comments at face value.

No doubt he'll be back though!

I was merely stating the information I have concluded about council estates from my years of living.

Although I was offensive to southerners. Though that is also info I have gained from my years of living

Generalising from limited information and limited experience is one of the most common sources of misconceptions and one of the most common expressions of ignorance.

Generalising from limited information and limited experience is one of the most common sources of misconceptions and one of the most common expressions of ignorance.

Although I would have thought the the views I stated, the southern softies one specifically is more known than people who ride with SPD's are gay, so it is more likely to be taken as a joke? is it not?

R.lepecha - I think he took that one hook line and sinker. nicely done.

R.lepecha - Member
if people reported him for taking the piss, maybe i should of reported the R.lepecha for abusing southerners and people who grew up on council estates? but found his adolescent indignation rather funny!
I was not offending anyone on council estates, I was merely stating the information I have concluded about council estates from my years of living.

Although I was offensive to southerners. Though that is also info I have gained from my years of living.

16 year old mountain biker from Leeds

says it all really, maybe you need to live a few more years? get some real life experiences?
you know travel, meet people from different places/backgrounds...

maybe that will stop you writing crap on the internet!

you know travel, meet people from different places/backgrounds...

It's interesting to read Mark's tweets - I already knew GRF could be a nob - but it would seem he's alone.

When you post on any forum it's important to realise that although you may think you are engaging in a closed conversation with your friends, who may or may not know you, that you are in reality broadcasting to the general public at large. In our case the numbers of readers of your posts are potentially huge! You must always assume that your posts will be taken at face value. You should never assume that 'people who know me know I don;t actually mean that' is an adequate excuse for behaving in a way that will offend.

On here you are not engaging in a closed conversation, you are broadcasting your views and statement publicly. I like to equate it to the difference between sharing a rude joke with your mates round a table in the pub and standing on the bar and shouting it out to the entire pub. You would expect that of the two situations the latter would demand a greater sense of self moderation.

http://www.twitter.com/singletrackmark

LOL

I very much agree mark. My comments were offensive. Although if I was banned for it I would not follow it up, I would just move on.