[Closed] What summer/Sunday road bike?

Take a look at Spa Cycles[url= http://www.spacycles.co.uk/m1b0s21p3404/SABBATH-Aspire-105 ] sabbath aspire[/url]

Titanium,
105 triple or double ( I asked in shop )
£1090

Has to be worth a look, although it's not disc

Aspire hasn't got discs

British summer?

Something that tales full mudguards. 🙂

Mmmmm interesting. Bargain for somebody there, was thinkin more on the lines of a giant TCR or cube agree (if it wasn't called 'agree' which is a super crap name)

The TCR is a great bike, once you have changed the stock alloy wheels. I hated mine at first, but now its running 25c tubeless semi deep carbon wheels its a dream to ride. Been up fleet moss on mine this month with rim brakes. Its racey rather than sporty though. My old back has taken some adjusting after moving from the winter bike.

Looking favourite so far, wheel's are a bit naff though? PR2 s on the model I'm looking at

Shocker - bike rides better with decent wheels rather than alloy boat anchors.

Canyon and Rose have some great bikes if you fancy a punt at buying direct
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/endurace/endurace-al-disc-7-0.html
I have a Rose GF team which is fantastic. Not disc though.

On that budget I'd go for rim brakes on a summer bike, to get a better groupset and wheels.

Summer bike - Discs - Why?

Road discs are only in V1.1. Personally I'd ignore the hype and buy rim brakes, they're lighter, better and you get more groupset for your limited budget.

(I'd spend my money with Wilier something like the GTR Team)

Summer bike - Discs - Why?

+1 (and I am a disc convert for winter/commuting/touring)

In a traditional STW, not what you asked for but it's what I've got and I love it, stylee:

Ritchey Road Logic, shop around and you can get Ultegra group and decent wheels for £1500ish.

Lovely, lovely, lovely bike.

carbon for light weight, but then stick a kilo of discs and related re-engineering on it, and ride it as a summer bike where there is no benefit from discs as opposed to rim brakes?

I'm not anti-disc, I own road bikes with both, but for your budget they are adding cost and weight with no real benefit IMHO. You'll get a nicer, lighter bike for the same money without discs (what cha****ng said more succinctly).

Courtesy of Clare's bike bargains on twitter this is hysterically good VFM

http://www.startfitness.co.uk/cycle/forme-thorpe-compe-1-0-athena-carbon-road-bike-for45-1.html

(2013 old stock but 11 speed so current tech). You could spend the £600 saved on some carbon deep sections (Cosine from Wiggle) and have a lot of sunny sunday pimpy fun.

If you want Ti, the above link to Spa Cycles is worth a look. They have bought out Sabbath and have a large range, including discs.

Nothing fun fits your spec and budget, they'll all just be commuting wagons.

Off the peg new and rrp I would go for a Trek ALR but if youve got cash there will be reduced bargains knocking about.
Forget disc's.

I've just ordered a new Canyon, a bit above your budget though - but from my time investigating I'll echo what everyone else has said, you won't get discs at that price.

Although I finally went with Canyon I was also thinking about Decathlon, my current bike is a BTwin and it's done me proud over many years. This one looks great value with a full 105 groupset and Mavic wheels: https://www.decathlon.co.uk/ultra-700-cf-carbon-road-bike-105-id_8339667.html

Discs why? Cos I don't like wearing through my rims and just don't like the feel of rims in the wet, cos as CFH pointed out it will get the odd soaking.

Happy with 105 from a group POV.

TCR still winning, leave the wheels on for 12 months and get some shiny ones next year. Sounds like a plan.

If you have to ask on here about which bike to buy you dont know enough understand the pro's and con's or rim and disc brakes.

Take the advice thats given to you by those who do.

I didn't have to ask, I wondered if people had any recommendations. Cheers for the sanctimonious condescension though, I'll file you under "ignore"

Cos I don't like wearing through my rims

so you ride enough to wear out road rims in a short timescale, even just in the summer? And why does wearing them out bother you when with the TCR you plan to

leave the wheels on for 12 months and get some shiny ones next year

I've just sold some 5yr old (summer bike use) Ultegra wheels. If I'd cleaned the brake tracks with alcohol they could have passed as new, with no measurable wear to the rim surfaces.

(edit) If you are set on discs then last years Cubes at Rutland or Pauls cycles are really good value spec-wise (carbon, hydro disc, 105 for your budget). They also have claimed weights closer to 9.0kg, whereas that money will get you a non-disc in the 7.somethings.

I love the discs on my commuter but i'd echo the above re. discs on a summer "nice" bike, at that price you'd want hydraulics which, whilst not unattainable, will eat up a fair chunk of the budget - you'll be able to pick up a cracking (non-disc) bargain for £1500 if you shop around.

There's also a bit of a lack of reasonably priced, light-ish disc wheels to upgrade to at a later date if you do go the disc route, mate of mine has just bought a set of disc Zondas (£450) for his fancy arse carbon Di2 Cannondale but they're still a couple of hundred grams heavier than the non-disc ones that I have on my "nice day" road bike... speaking of Cannondale - the CAAD12 disc at £1600 is around 20lbs & gets good reviews if you're not adverse to aluminum.

But then I own 3 steel road bikes so am by definition some kind of pervert. 😆

Cos I don't like wearing through my rims

Maybe you need to brake less?

Carbon fibre rims still going strong in their second year with no discernible wear or degradation whatsoever.

Been riding fulcrum quattro's for the last two years they're ready for replacing, live in the lakes so may be a bit harder on rims up here than where you live? steeper, wetter, grittier, perhaps?

Been riding fulcrum quattro's for the last two years they're ready for replacing

😯

is that all-year-round or are Lakes summers really that bad?! If that's your rim life then yeah, I can see why you'd be going disc but our Quattros have lasted longer than that on a winter bike that gets fitted with knobblies and used as a CX pit bike (power washing has taken the stickers off though!). Definitely a case of YMMV, I've happily gone full-carbon on my summer bike and, like my old alloy Ultegras, they still look brand new.

Stabiliser, I am up in the lakes too, a bike mad mate of mine is selling 2 bikes. One is his winter Kinesis
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/kinesis-4s-full-bike-medium
He is also selling his "good" bike ( but he wants 2.5k for that one)
As mentioned above the Cube ticks a lot of your boxes. Cycleactive in Cockermouth had one in stock reduced. Maybe worth a call there.

Been riding fulcrum quattro's for the last two years they're ready for replacing, live in the lakes so may be a bit harder on rims up here than where you live? steeper, wetter, grittier, perhaps?

Dartmoor and the South Devon Coast so pretty similar but I do weigh about under and around 70kg

Im also in the no discs on the summer bike camp and for 2 reasons

1: Weight, 700g on system weight unless you are getting Dura Ace
2: You cant race them in road races under BC rules

When the BC allow them, and the current Dura Ace level of tech trickles down to Ultegra, adding 340g system weight, then I would consider them

As above, you want a summer bike, you want it to be light (why else would you want carbon?). Ultegra dual pivot brakes are superb stoppers, if you are a fair weather rider, they will provide all the power you want. Even if you aren't they will still do the same!

Do you want fast for zipping along those lanes, speed first? Comfort first? What riding do you do now. It is better to buy something that will cover most of what you do now but have the option for more, rather than pick a bike for what you might think you want to ride.

The Giant TCR is a fantastic bike, provided you buy the correct size. A real do it all 100-mile-all-day-comfortable, race-it-when-you-want-to bike. Highly recommended and always excellent value. You want the Advanced Pro as a minimum, preferably with Ultegra.

I'd save discs for the winter, heavy, mudguard laden wet weather beast. That bike you'll take out when it looks miserable, and every ride on the nice bike will reward with a smile. There is a FOUR kilo difference between my winter (non-disc) bike and my nice bike. You notice that difference every time you ride it. It's not hugely faster, just nicer.

Maybe demo the kind of bike you're thinking of, to see if you feel the extra weight is worth having discs at that level? Are Wheelbase doing a road bike demo day this year?

save discs for the winter, heavy, mudguard laden wet weather beast. That bike you'll take out when it looks miserable

Got one of them. Charge plug, riding a forum member would be luxury compared to that

on the disc/non disc front, I changed last year from a 2012 Defy Composite 1, with full Ultegra and rim brakes to a new Defy Advanced Pro 2, slight stiffer carbon, full Ultegra and discs. I definitely noticed it a little heavier, though main difference was stiffer front end. After first 10 mins it felt totally 'normal'. It is my 'good/summer' bike, even has white tape 🙂 I do like the discs though, probably as all my other bikes have discs to though I guess. In the dry they are no better than the old Ultegra rim ones.

2016 Kona shithouse looks nice, too. But that would be HEAVY (and the wheels are pants)

I'm also in the CF with calipers for a summer bike camp. So for £1500 you'd probably be getting a CF frame & forks, and 105. Chuck a extra £200-300 at the price and you'll get an Ultegra upgrade.

If you want to let your heart rule your head then get a this:

[img] http://www.bianchi.com/images/1500-1050-Fix/37ad4fb1-4110-4550-8b63-5db4404ce3e4 [/img]

Nothing fun fits your spec and budget, they'll all just be commuting wagons.

A bit harsh, with careful spending £1500 could get you under the UCI weight limit!

If you have to ask on here about which bike to buy you dont know enough understand the pro's and con's or rim and disc brakes.

Equally harsh, he knows the advantages of disk brakes, that appears to be why he want's them!

I'm ambivalent about them for summer road use, but I live in the Chilterns not the Lake District and don't have a problem treating rims as consumables.

is confused. TCR doesn't have discs. Defy has discs.

edit: ah, but the TCR Disc has discs. Sorry. As you were.

[url=www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xvintage+italian+road+bike.TRS0&_nkw=vintage+italian+road+bike&_sacat=0]or something similar[/url]

Weight, 700g on system weight unless you are getting Dura Ace

the groupset is only half the problem. Manufacturers are still at the stage of overbuilding frames and forks to deal with the different and extra stresses of discs rather than rim brakes, combined with heavier wheels for the same reasons (they're getting better but they're at the opposite end of the development curve) and you're doubling that increase in some cases.

A bit harsh, with careful spending £1500 could get you under the UCI weight limit!

with discs? Go on then (genuinely interested, not being an internet warrior).

A bit harsh, with careful spending £1500 could get you under the UCI weight limit!

I'm intrigued...

I would (and did!) go with whatever last-year Cannondale Paul's are knocking out for a decent price (which would be a Supersix with OP's budget). No discs, but I would add my name to those who can't see the point for a summer bike.

with discs? Go on then (genuinely interested, not being an internet warrior).

Without disks, but it should be fairly doable with any decent alloy framed bike at Pauls or similarly discounted, then just swap the easy wins.

OEM wheelsets to Novotec hubs, Stans alpha rims and Ti QR's saved me about 750g for £250

OEM tyres and tubes for schwalble Ultremo + latex tubes Another 250g saved for £50

Then it's just a mix of silly stuff and marginal gains, you can get a carbon saddle for £20 off ebay for a proper weight weenie budget build. But even a mid priced aftermatket saddle will be lighter than the OEM one because like wheels and tyres they're speced right down because manufacturers know those that are serious about bikes will have their own to fit, or at least a preference.

Over time I think my road bike's cost me £800 (started with a secondhand full bike) and just upgraded to the lightest/cheapest bits I could find as and when stuff wore out (so i've not even recouped the value of the old bits in that figure) and it's now a new fork (still has an alloy steerer) away from being underweight.

but it should be fairly doable with any decent alloy framed bike

Please go ahead and show this on some calibrated scales.
I have a hat ready for eating.

As regards the thread in general, another +1 for rim brakes on a summer only bike.
My Ksyriums have got ~8k miles on them including a fair few wet days in the Dolomites/Alps and not worn out yet, so would question if rim wear is really a thing on a summer bike.

The best reason for discs on a summer bike would really be that they usually give a bit more clearance for some trendy fatter tyres, and with the UK's roads falling apart they do make the ride more enjoyable.

Without disks

the "commuter wagon" comment you said was a "bit harsh" appeared to be referring to disc braked bikes at the £1500 pricepoint that the OP was asking for. I think we're all in danger of violently agreeing with each other about being getting a lighter non-disc bike for the money!

Please go ahead and show this on some calibrated scales.

Don't borrow them off that guy with the Trance though!

😉

Please go ahead and show this on some calibrated scales.
I have a hat ready for eating.

7.4kg, with pedals, bottle cage, garmin sensors and steel railed padded saddle. I don't have a pic of it on the scales, but rest assured they were calibrated by UKAS.

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Do you want ketchup or horseraddish with that hat?

You do know that the UCI limit is 6.8 kg don't you?

The best reason for discs on a road bike is to fit silly light carbon rims and tubs. Your budget doesn't stretch to the price of the rims, let alone the petrol for the following team car 😉

Might be some cheap left-field choices such such a ktm revalator.

But the tcr is a great do it all bike.

From your description and budget, have you considered a cyclocross bike? (I ride both road and CX) but to be honest, you’ll probably get more use out of a cyclocross bike, I know I do, what with winter riding, commuting, off road riding and like you say Sunday morning rides.

You’ve got more options with tires too, you can still stick some fast rolling slick tires on, or something with more grip for winter and off road riding.

If you’re into MTBing, a CX would be a perfect transition to a ‘road biking’ that will still give you a buzz riding on the roads and the option to have a bit of a riot off road and on the trails.

Carbon frames aren’t all that either, most aluminium frames now are lighter and you actually end up going faster and doing further miles on a comfortable bike, as opposed to what it’s made of, unless you’re racing or you’re really hung up on weight, for the price difference, it’s not going to make that much difference.

Disk brakes come as standard on most CX bikes anyway, if your riding mostly on your own or in all weather conditions, hilly areas, around busy towns etc then disk brakes are the way to go.

You’re budget will easily get you a half decent bike for bombing around on.

There's been some great £1k deals on Cube Attain GTC Pro Disc recently, at Rutland; Hargoves; Paul's Cycles.

7.4kg

I still feel my hat and digestive tract are quite safe.

Yep, this shopping list has got to closer to £3500 to get this R500 close to the UCI limit

Frame: Cannondale 2.8 R500 1996 54cm
Fork: Look HSC1 1'' full carbon
Headset: Chris King 1'' nothreadset
Stem: Syntace F99 with titanium bolts
Handlebar: Schmolke SL compact
Saddle: San Marco Aspide carbon fx narrow
Seatpost: Thomson Masterpiece with titanium parts
Brakes: Campagnolo Record skeleton
Shifters: Campagnolo Record Ultra 10s
Front Derailleur: Campagnolo Record titanium
Rear Derailleur: Campagnolo Record titanium 10s
Crankset: Campagnolo Super Record 50/34
Cassette: Campagnolo Record titanium 10s 12/25
Chain: Campagnolo Record 10s
Pedals: Time Xpresso 12
Wheelset - Zipp 303
Tubulars: Veloflex carbon
Skewers: Leichtbau titanium
Bottlecage: Tune carbon
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I know it's possible to make very light alu bikes on a budget, take an ALR frame add some chinese carbons and throw a chorus groupset, (sell the Shimano Junk and finishing kit recoup some costs) and a smattering of plastic at it and it's close to 7kg .

Still not sure it's possible to make a £1500 UCI breaking bike (even if you buy second hand, ebay parts etc)

Posted earlier on bikeradar...

http://www.slanecycles.com/scott-addict-r3-bike-size-medium-2010-p-3352.html

7.88Kg with Aksium wheels for £1200, buy some Hunt upgrades, profit. 😉

Very nice carbon disc Scott in Evans yesterday, 2016 model not sure which one

Edit - this one. Looked pretty tasty for the money, if that's the type of thing you're after.

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These are very nice, very smooth.

[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neil-Pryde-Zephyr-Ultegra-Carbon-Endurance-Sportive-Road-Bike-54cm-Medium-/291996634734 ]Zephyr[/url]

Back on track - seen some good deals on the Cube Agree, slightly racier than the Attain posted up there^ i think - a looker too:

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Should you own a Cube?

you're working class
you live in a town called Barrow in Furness
your favourite colours are blue, with adjacent green
you work shifts at a toilet roll factory, and you cycle there
you wear rigger boots to ride your bike
your favourite jacket is flourescent yellow
you pedal with your knees sticking out
you've never heard of the UCI weight limit

If you nodded, or even said "yes" to any of the above, then you're probably a good candidate for a Cube bike.

you live in a town called Barrow in Furness

Outside. Now.

If you nodded, or even said "yes" to any of the above, then you're probably a good candidate for a Cube bike.

I would just like to add to that list...

Have you podiumed in National Points series Races.
Have you won Regional Races.
And are you considerably faster than me?

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Exactly. Hardly "World Tour" calibre like Cannondale/Giant/Specialized etc.

LOL sorry I was just talking about the one I own...Which is no doubt considerably faster than any bike you've ever owned.

Has it got discs?

a looker too:

Might be some cheap left-field choices such such a ktm revalator.

I'd agree. Not a brand with a lot of road cycling recognition yet but they're great bikes.

There was a thread that i saw a while ago on weight weenies with a UCI illegal bike that the guy spent about 13-1500 dollars on.

Judicious use of Chinese carbon and second hand kit figured in the build. A lot.

If you click StuF's link above there is also a Whyte Stowe for sale for slightly over your budget with ultegra, discs and a carbon frame.

One big plus for me with discs is the ability to run bigger tyres. Schwalbe s ones in 30mm are awesome.

juanghia you're obviously new here - I wouldn't call davidtaylforth a troll as he's too witty for that moniker, but better to sit back and enjoy than rise to his posts.

What about this if it fits (5'8 - 5'11 ish)

https://www.cyclesurgery.com/p/orbea-avant-m30-disc-2016-Q2210425.108.html

Carbon, 105, discs but can also take calipers. Looks good for £1200

Fabulous, what about the other 600g?
I still feel my hat and digestive tract are quite safe.

bottle cage, garmin sensors and steel railed padded saddle.

That saddle weighs 400g IIRC (300g over a weight weenie one)
The forks are IIRC 550g (another 250g)
sensors, cheap pedals, bottle cages, etc

Yep, this shopping list has got to closer to £3500 to get this R500 close to the UCI limit

Even that Scott posted is 7.88kg with askiums for £1200, and there's proably some very easy ways on it to lose a kilo.

If you have to ask on here about which bike to buy you dont know enough understand the pro's and con's or rim and disc brakes.

Really odd comment given even the pros can't decide on the merits of disk brakes...

My tuppance....do agree that rim brakes are more than adequate in 90% of situations, even when wet.I do det the point about rim wear however, its the one thing that attracts me to disks as I'd be far more inclined to spend 1.5k on some nice wheels if i didn't think I was wearing them out every time i braked.

I'd finsd a bike I liked, if it has disks then thats a bonus.

Some good suggestions there, cheers folks, grist to the mill....

How about this with an extra 10% off. I have the 9.8 rim brake version and I really enjoy it.
https://www.boardmanbikes.com/gb_en/products/521-y1415-sls-9.0-11-disc.html