Only ever used a track pump, never had any problems with proper tubeless rims and tyres.
You can use a CO2 to inflate the tyre to get it seated before adding sealant. Can then take out valve and add sealant through valve hole.
Airshot arrived and worked superbly 🙂 I approve. Both my wheels on the Whyte T130SX are now tubeless
So much so i went on and tried to do the front on the Parkwood too.
However, i'm getting some sidewall leaking.... So i'm wondering if the actual tyre is compatible.
http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPWX5/on-one-parkwood-sram-x5-mountain-bike
WTB ST I23 TCS Rim On El Guapo Rattlesnake Hubs / 29" / Front 15mm / Rear 135mm QR / Shimano 11 Speed
On-One Chunky Monkey 29"x2.4" Tyre / Enduro / Folding Bead / Single 50a / Black
the Rim is deffo Tubeless, well TCS ready according to the sticker and above.... but is the Chunky Monkey ?
Some tyres can be like that but the sealant should sort it. Make sure you gave the wheel and tyre the Stan's shuffle then take it for a bit of a ride, cross your fingers that it will be sealed. I think someone suggested adding glitter to the sealant to help but I haven't tried that yet
Will do matey... Cheers.
i Took the suggestion of buying an Airshot - slight PSA now £42.50 in Hargroves store in Swindon, online its £50.
Probably been using track pump only method for the last 9-10 years.. just bought a Airshot and it's dreamy.
Occasionally a tyre will deflate overnight and I've found just adding more sealant sorts it. (As does riding it.)
[url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mavic-tyre-sealant/ ]Mavic[/url]'s sealant bottle has a nozzle exactly the right size to squirt into the valve hole.
This is brilliant.
(Other stores, including LBSs, also sell them)
I always have a CO2 cart as a back-up too.
Has anyone other then the guy in that Conti vid actually used the tyre-lever method? All the tyre/rim combinations I have tried (mainly Schwalbes, but a Maxxis and a Spesh as well) on Stans have been so tight on the rim that I really doubt I would get a tyre lever under the bead with the bead also seated on the opposite side. I guess it is a reason to buy Conti tyres if you can actually do that with them!
Meh.... on 1 out of 3 currently.
The front Ardent stayed up, the rear trail boss was flat and the Chunky Monkey was flat. I'm hoping the Trail Boss was the valve not being done up tight enough that i noticed...
I've checked everything and re-inflated to about 45psi. We'll see what happens today.
Get out and ride on them, they always go down overnight if they haven't had a good shake about to get all the fluid in all the nooks and crannies.
I've just done that with the Trail Boss. Not far, but enough to get it squishing about. Can't get out for a proper ride today.
Just chuck some more sealant in.
Well the rear on the whyte didn't quite hold pressure, I'd pump up to about 40psi for testing and it should drop to 20. But no visible signs of leaking. So not sure where its being lost from? Do I need to glue/seal the valve?
I've just removed core and syringed in some more fluid so we'll see if that holds better now.
The on one chunky monkey I didn't get very far at all with. That had 2 visible liquid leaks on both sides of tyre, I've tubed it for now as I need to use it, we'll come back to that one. But any tips as to why are appreciated.
Going to bounce this with a few questions etc.
When you swap tyres do you reuse the Stan's or replace with new?
I got some WTB vigilante in tough fast, TCS, folding today. They're are now on my spare wheels and inflated to get their shape, they can in theory remain there till may when I replace and put on tubeless, but they were very very very tight to get on. I don't recall that being common with folding? How do you get folding tyres to seat pre inflating? Obviously they don't hold shape as well as wired ones.
I save what I can when swapping tyres and then top up as needed.
I've never run a wired bead tyre tubeless so no idea whether it's easier than a folding bead or not. I just put the tyre on and pump 🙂
Weeksy
If it is fairly clean I scrape it out with a plastic cup (like the little disposable picnic cups) and pour back in when done.
I've had virtually no issues with wire or folding beads. So long as you get them straight to start either should be good. I have only used wire beads on bmx tube ghetto set up. Not for any other reason other than that's the wheels they happened to go on.
The exception is i would never use very baggy folding tyres tubeless (no way I would have put a "normal" Panaracer Fire xc - remember them? - on tubeless for example). As a random aside the UST versions were brilliantly made.
Thanks guys. May be a lot easier next time as it's now spent time on a rim then. When it arrived it had been folded (rightly so if course) by supplier, so it was all over the place when fitting... But, it was also exceptionally tight.. How much of that was down to it not seating on the rim well at that time, i can't reall say... but DAMN it was tight.
On-One Chunky Monkey 29"x2.4" Tyre / Enduro / Folding Bead / Single 50a / Black
Didn't have any real problems that I remember with the CM I had fitted tubeless to a Stsns Flow EX 26". As it wasn't a tubeless ready tyre it went on with a tube fir a hour or so next to the radiator first, then once on and up out for a 10 min spin round the roads. Maybe had to top up fluid and air but worked well tubeless.
To find any issues fill the bath and submerge the tyre/ rim and valve as you rotate it round. Sometimes if the valve is an old one the rubber Bung deforms/seems to harden and doesn't seal, likewise the valve core gets a bit clogged and doesn't seal correctly. Both easily sorted with a new valve
Spank rims, they have been amazingly easy to set up and hold Tubeless tyres
Panaracer Fire xc - remember them?
Still got them on my 26-inch-wheeled mountainbike. Am I a bit square now?
Am I a bit square now?
No, but your tyre pattern is.
One more question 🙂
Just bought one of these for a 'spare' but at some stage in July i'll want to ideally want to run it Tubeless.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mavic-crossride-fts-x-29-rear-wheel/
So was going to order some Stans tape, reading the specs, Great in all conditions due to its 21 mm wide rim, looking at pics, i'm guessing i want 21mm Stans tape ?
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I recently put a new shorty in my hope Enduro rim I used a lezyne track pump and it inflated 1st time, in th past I have put new tyres on and again used the lezyne track pump and they inflated 1st time. I guess now I have said all this the next tyre I do will turn out to be a bigger, ha,Ha.
ARGGHHHHHH.
At Afan on Sat i buckled the heck out of the wheel.... got it straightened and stuck the tyre back on, some new fluid... Walloped some air in it.... nothing.... more... nothing... repeat about 10 times !
Whipped tyre off and scraped off all the now solid residue of fluid.... tried again... Nothing... nothing...
ARRGGHHHH.
What's gone wrong here ?
Went back, inflated with a tube to get 1 side seated, then plenty of soapy water on reverse when I removed tube, Bingo!
Not sure i ever got an answer on what size of tape for the Mavic rim above please guys. I've settled on my XC rubber for the seaon on that rim now, so want to get on and get ordered.
I'd be going with wider tape. 21mm may be the measurement across the rim but the tape needs to follow the contour of the rim well too.
FYI, I just put 50mm tape on my WTB i45 rims, and 30mm tape on my i25 rims as per WTB recommendations. Both went up fine with just a track pump.
Loads of good videos on youtube, give it a whirl, you can always stick a tube back in if it doesn't work.
What rim tyre compo out of interest? My Schwalbe combo on WTB i29s on my 2017 T130 went tubeless easy enough.
It's a Rapid Rob with a DT Swiss 465D rim.
scotroutes - MemberI'd be going with wider tape. 21mm may be the measurement across the rim but the tape needs to follow the contour of the rim well too.
Or narrower, so that it only does the rim well and not the sides.
Northwind - Member
scotroutes - Member
I'd be going with wider tape. 21mm may be the measurement across the rim but the tape needs to follow the contour of the rim well too.Or narrower, so that it only does the rim well and not the sides.
I thought rim tape was supposed to be 5mm wider than the internal width.
FWIW the Magic Mary went down over night but managed to get it to re-inflate with a hand pump. Left it for a few hours then used a track pump to adjust pressure. Been right as rain since.
Ghetto inflator works incredibly well - I was skeptical before I'd bodged one together - I was wrong - It works . .
patriotpro - MemberI thought rim tape was supposed to be 5mm wider than the internal width.
That's one of the traditional ways, but as rims have got wider it's become practical to tape the holes not the rims- it's more durable ime, since there's no risk of the tape getting damaged as the tyre comes off the bead. But it won't work on everything- some rims are too narrow, some are badly sealed and need the tape to be airtight.
Worst case scenario is for the tape to be just narrower than the rim (one taking into account the amount that's used up in the well- if the tyre sits off the tape but it goes up on the bead, or the tyre's half-on-half-off, then it's far more likely to push the tape off when you change tyres.
I assume i need to remove the generic tape first guys ?
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scotroutes - Member
I'd be going with wider tape. 21mm may be the measurement across the rim but the tape needs to follow the contour of the rim well too.
Or narrower, so that it only does the rim well and not the sides.
I thought rim tape was supposed to be 5mm wider than the internal width.
Crazy, I know, but I tend to follow the manufacturer's instructions.
I assume i need to remove the generic tape first guys ?
If it's simple rim-tape yes. If in doubt yes. Rim tape won't seal the spoke eyelets air-tight and won't allow tubeless tape to seal the eyelets properly as it will simply stick to the rim-tape and not the rim.
Yeah it is just generic tape PPro. Thank you.
Yeah it is just generic tape PPro. Thank you.
Good luck! Be interested to know how you get on.
So i've fitted the tape from Bird, only 1 layer at the moment. It slots nicely into the gap at the base and is all pressed/pushed down. I've cut an X slot where the valve will go, assuming it arrives in the post today. Shall i do a 2nd layer of tape ?
weeksy - Member
So i've fitted the tape from Bird, only 1 layer at the moment. It slots nicely into the gap at the base and is all pressed/pushed down. I've cut an X slot where the valve will go, assuming it arrives in the post today. Shall i do a 2nd layer of tape ?
Does the tyre go on nice and snug? I wouldn't bother if so. When you get the valves in, i would advise to fit tyre and seal without sealant first off, then if that stays up, slap your sealant in and off you go.
Bah, my valve never arrived.
You can use the valve from an old inner tube. Cut it down small enough for the bead to get either side of it, and it needs to be one of the ones with a bolt so you can screw it on super tight. Removable valve core also really useful 🙂
I had a fail...
I tried the Non-tubeless tyre with the non-tubeless rim LOL. I stole a valve from one of my Whyte wheels for a test... but it wouldn't inflate. I just couldnt get it close enough to the bead, it was sitting almost in the middle of the well. There may be a trick i need to get it to hold on closer. It's more likely i'll have a bit more luck trying the non-tubeless tyre on a tubeless rim, then the non-tubless rim with a known easy tyre... Which is all faily simple with the combination of wheels/rims i've got about at the moment.... but sadly no time for it today.
So for my long day out tomorrow i need to decide whether i go with a tubed Rocket Ron on the rear, or swap wheel and go with the WTB Vigilante and run both front and rear Tubeless. Either way, i really need to be taking a tube and pump just in case. So i'm not sure it actually matters 🙂
Well it kind of worked.
I fitted the wtb vigilante onto the DT swiss non tubeless rim, this is done with 1 layer of Bird tape. Straight up, simple as you like. So great, my non tubeless rim is done.
Then onto the tubeless ready i25 rim with the non tubeless Rapid Rob. These rims have worked effortlessly before, but with this RR it simply will not seal. Fitted a tube and got it fully sealed on one side, but it simply will not go up. The unsealed side just flaps about inside the channel. I had Mrs Weeksy holding it tight in a couple of places and me on another, then a blast with the Airshot, but no joy at all.
I'll pick up a tubeless tyre suited for xc duties and the RR can be put in the Emergency use only pile of tyres.
