[Closed] Ti456- Why are people selling them? Whats 'wrong'?

probably because they are skint and require a cash injection (just like the world economy)

I've noticed this too.
Only one real explanation - More money than sense.

mines not for sale - it's ****n excellent....
better than my Hummer 🙂

I'm a great fan of ti bikes, and don't begrudge anyone who has the cash for buying them, I do sometimes wonder if some folk justify the purchase with the notion it will last forever, and then realise they don't want a bike for life.

Were there not a few reports of frame failures? Non-driveside drop out IIRC

mine's fine (so far) and backed up with a lifetime no quibble guarantee.

Lots of folk buy bikes, them sell them. Noticed the same thing when the original Ti Inbred came out.

T'was ever so

It's human nature. The sort of person who's first in line for the latest cost-no-object shiny thing quickly gets bored, especially when the exclusivity factor starts to fade.
I'm a bit jealous really

They must be rubbish.

You need to sell it and buy something else.

I'll give you £150 for it.

i'm not selling - why would i ?
it's the best riding hardtail i've owned.
it is taught, direct and compliant - it is really really excellent.
it made my Hummer redundant....
it can go large on Big Betty's or it'll go lighter on nics.
it revels on 140mm Van 15mm BT's and @ 6' tall i'm on an 18" on a 70mm stem...
it's a true trail weapon....

The emperors new bike.

I test rode a 18" 456 with shonky forks- thanks John Clayton. Liked it, decided it was right so then ordered the ti456. Turns out it was the steel 456 that I liked.

possibly, although i'd suggest it's simply a really very very good bike , well thought out in geometry and sizing.
it just works....and it's very nicely crafted to boot.

the_lecht_rocks - can you define the terms taught, direct and compliant, with regards a mountain bike frame for me please.

Sounds like a load of marketing bollocks to me.

taught as in no flex noticeable.
direct as in steering input through the short HT is unaffected by lateral flex.
compliant as in no flex noticeable under power, but the frame has the ability to 'flatter the trail' and provides an element of comfort.

HTH.

Clear as mud mate 🙂

I bought a mint track frame (circa 20yrs old) to swap out/replace my Fuji track frame. I wanted something special. The Raleigh frame felt noodly. saggy/baggy whereas the steel Fuji felt taut and stiff. direct etc....draw some parallels in there!! 😉

the_lecht_rocks
i had a ride on one at htn 1.5
it flexed loads.... 😀

I have bought this recently and after owning an old school Litespeed i`m really looking forward to this .....

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Now just needs wheels and brakes.

"direct as in steering input through the short HT is unaffected by lateral flex" 😯
I doubt even in his dreams did Brant come up with that sort of stuff

(taut, BTW)

I've definitely got more sense than money, that's why I'm selling the Ti456 🙁

Seriously though, T'is a fabulous bike I'm just liquidating some assets.

here's mine - (scaredy - sorry - taut) :

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So it is not flexy then - neither is aluminium.

no but it is compliant, and aluminium aint compliant

no but it is compliant, and aluminium aint compliant

This depends very much on the tube profiling and geometry rather than material.

^^^ didn't brant make some comments on STW about handlebars being higher than the saddle? 🙂

Oh. My. God.

Although it may sound like marketing bollocks, the_lecht_rocks is spot on when it comes to the ti456. Having had 3 rides on mine I know exactly what he means, and the bike is an absolute riot to ride; on certain sections of singletrack, it really was hairs on the back of the neck stuff.

I have to say, Mr Lecht, that is pretty much how I'd have "mine" 😀 🙁

the_lecht_rocks is spot on when it comes to the ti456

you speak his language?
pls translate, i can't speak bollocksvakian. 🙂

Compliant roughly the same as submissive - not that sure that i'd want a submissive bike, well not on with wheels on anyway.

Surly any bike will feel compliant with tyres like those above on it? I always wonder just how many times the emperor can get those new clothes.

This depends very much on the tube profiling and geometry rather than material.

...or what you market it as, Scandium on-one thats not scandium anyone ;0)

[i]or what you market it as, Scandium on-one thats not scandium[/i]

well, there's your scandal then.

The brant fanboys are raising capitol before he releases his new hotlines product?

Compliant - Com = with; pliant (same root as pliers) meaning it bends (or folds - hopefully not that one). So ... flexy, or, with some "give".

Sure you can manipulate ally tubing to have a degree of compliance or spring to it, but I really wouldn't want to treat such a frame the way a 456Ti can be treated, and expect it to have an extended lifespan. There is a damn good reason why forks and shocks don't have alloy springs to save weight, but they do have Ti ones. I love the way my steel Inbred's ride, and, although my 567 'bred is significantly heavier than the Hummer that most of the bits attached to it came from, and with 160mm Nixons on that's to be expected, but the way it rides has similar qualities, as does my 853 SS. My old Cannondale hardtail by comparison felt rather dead, and absolutely hammered my ar$e. Kleins were notorious for this, whereas Ti and steel just absorb the vibrations. Carbon, too. Sure it can be read as marketing bull, especially by people who have only ever ridden alloy bikes, but until you've ridden all three, and then attempted to try to describe the difference in feel, then you'll realize how difficult that is without using the same terms.

I really don't know why I bothered reading this!
Just the usual bollox being talked by the usual legends.

Just get out and ride more.

bigrich - 😀

mines not for sale either... loving it at the moment. Been riding it round Afan today, was an absolute blast on Penhydd trail, fast and flowing and soooo much fun !

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I really really wish I did not have to sell mine but as I am about to join Broon's army of Doleite's very soon I have no choice. Prince Albert here I come
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cyclelife. Nail, head.

What a load of utter boll@x.

I have a steel 456, which IMO is great bike, but FFS stop using these throwaway, nonsensical, marketing-driven superlatives to describe a bicycle.

cyclelife/vdubber... so does that mean that neither of you think there is any difference in the ride characteristics of different HT frames then?

If on the off chance you do think there are differences, how then would you go about describing those differences in ride without using 'nonsensical, marketing-driven superlatives'?

What made me smile was when TLR described how brilliant Brant was to have designed the bent top tube of the ti 456 to act like a leaf spring, then Brant arrived (possibly on another thread) and described how the bend was to allow maximum standover clearance without leaving much seat tube extension above the top tube (to avoid stress on the ti st).

Well it made me smile anyway.

Enthusiasm about bikes, especially ones own is great, just don't misinterpret it as objective, scientific analysis.

how about 'It's not bad, that', 'goes well on the swoopy stuff' and 'synergises a paradigm shift in my blue-sky riding'

What made me smile was when TLR described how brilliant Brant was to have designed the bent top tube of the ti 456 to act like a leaf spring

He was taking the piss with that comment wasnt he?

fair point funkynick, and I was probably being overly harsh. I just think some people too easily repeat what the marketing says.

I just think some people too easily repeat what the marketing says.

What marketing was that?

I would follow any marketing led/spoken by Swiss Tony..

# Washing a car - Washing a car, is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You've got to caress the bodywork. Breathe softly and gently. And give every inch of it your loving attention. And make sure you've got a nice wet sponge.
# Laying a carpet - Laying a carpet is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You check the dimensions, lay her out on the floor, pin her down, walk all over her. If you're adventurous, like me, you might like to try an underlay.

is it not just fugly though?
eye of beholder an all that but come on man its got a bendy top tube 😕
anyways what the lecht says is not bollox loads of numb riders on here i reckon.

and again in english?

if you are unable to work that out perhaps you should work on yours 🙄

anyways what the lecht says is not bollox loads of numb riders on here i reckon

Sorry you lost me there too.... numb riders?

What a great thread. I wish I had a ti 456.

I wish I had some carpet to lay.

I wish I could be arsed to wash my car.

Anyway, what's this about the Scandal not being made of Scandium?

brant - sorry I wasn't being specific about Ti 456s...just a general observation re bikes and marketing.

Now just needs wheels and brakes.

and bars, and saddle, and drivechain and......
are you sure you know what your doing building a bike? 😉

Great thread.
In my opinion it [i]is[/i] a bike to enthuse about, and I'd agree with TLR, having previously owned a hummer, and also having owned a few ali hardtails in the past.

So, using language that will hopefully be acceptable to people who find it easy to shoot down opinions and experience as marketing bullshit , here's a review:

the ti456 is flipping great. i love it and i'm not sellng it.

Why is the top tube slightly curved on the 456? What's the benefit?

it acts as a leaf spring. 😆

well **** me. Hora asks a dicky question, uses an inflammatorily framed title and gets 60+ replies. Hell, I'm sure he moonlights as a Daily Mail headline writer.

hora's the 456 marketing genius.
i simply use engineering superlatives for descriptive administration 😯

Another one definately not for sale here. I like the way it rides and prefer it to my old enduro. Have to agree to them looking a bit fugly but you don't see the bent top tube when riding them. It replaced an aging well abused steel 456 and is somehow even more forgiving of my clumsy riding style.
I think most of the marketing was done F.O.C by the reviews in the mags, that must have saved on-one a fortune.

IMO Brant's a legend for bringing a US made Lynskey frame to the masses for a grand. If the STW masses choose to hype it up as the next big thing, then rip it apart 12 months later then so be it. I'm pretty sure I'll still be riding mine and loving it in 5 years time when everyone's moved on to the next big thing. I've still got my Seven road bike and 4 years later haven't been tempted by all the sexy CF stuff out there...if its good, its good!!! 🙂