[Closed] The rise of rudeness on this forum ?

my opinion on it is when you seem to ask a normaly sensible question you get someone thinking their so funny, no doubt actually not really in real life glued himself to his computer thinking his the main man because he knows how to build a bike 😉

but then you get some people who offer great advise, its just a shame you get the ************ along with the forum.

its like any forum though tbh but this one seems the worst for it.

another forum i am on, a few guys act the big i am.... telling people how shit there cars are and how they should be doing it instead. but then you meet these people in real life and they wont say nothing all day even in a pub meet. which i find quite funny as when their home they give it all the chatter about how they think this person looks funny or their cars etc..

i dont see how these people think typing it is more safe than saying it in person~???

I haven't been around long enough to say whether or not it's worse, but I know many in the biking industry don't post here as they find it too snipey and inward looking. For me, the genuinely useful advice, observations, tips and bike related discussion outweighs the trolling, and occasional descent into bile and drivel.

[i]Occasionally I have been threatened with a beating on here. Never had one to my face though. Funny that[/i]

if there was ever a challenge laid down on STW, this is it ;-)*

*not be me though, i'm a lover not a fighter

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mild mannered...?

if there was ever a challenge laid down on STW, this is it

Arrghhhhhh!! run away run away!

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Being new to all this, (just used to ride, now have a wife and child) I'm still trying to find my feet regarding how much attitude and ego to inflict on everyone, because that's what most of the threads and comments seem to contain. I would guess there is quite a lot of misjudged ramblings by people like myself who havn't been on here long enough to have developed a proper feel for the forum, and they just come across as rude.IMO

Apologies if I have done this, I do drink a lot before coming on here in the evenings, just after beating the wife and child to sleep! 😕

I also find some people resort to infantile mockery when they have nothing left to debate with - that annoys me

but then you kick off so much it makes that fun :o)

*not be me though, i'm a lover not a fighter

FYI Hora would prefer the beating...

Being new to all this, (just used to ride, now have a wife and child) I'm still trying to find my feet regarding how much attitude and ego to inflict on everyone

You have a lot to learn Young Padawan!

Its brilliant on here, fact !!!! Lets just all play nice and feel the lourve 😉

You have a lot to learn Young Padawan!

Being a Padawan is harder than I thought!

How-do Nick

Lets just all play nice and feel the lourve

hmmm, it feels more like a metaphorical Chinese burn...

When you say beating. What type of 'beating' do you mean? 😯

I get there first, then drink and surf the net whilst in bed.

Ermmmm, or a metaphorical nipple twist even .
Morning Jason. Surfing the net ? beating ? to much info there....

do people really get so upset about the things that other people say on the internet?

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"blimus!"

In my experience the mouthy forum gobshites tend to be the ones that are shy and don't really get that involved in banter when you meet them on a ride.

I guess they have more confidence when sitting behind the internet.

Surfing the net ? beating ? to much info there....

I can now make a mean chocolate souffle though, thanks to jamesmartinchef.co.uk

In my experience the mouthy forum gobshites tend to be the ones that are shy and don't really get that involved in banter when you meet them on a ride

that'll be me

In my experience the mouthy forum gobshites tend to be the ones that are shy and don't really get that involved in banter when you meet them on a ride

wrong. I'm much gobbier in person 🙂

SOOBalias - Member

well that really is the shocker for the day, padded-* gets yet another ban.

:yawn:

TandemJeremy - Member

padded* Que? Obi twa was smee. Who was fred masquerading as now?

I knew it wasn't Fred, different style completely. What I hadn't picked up on was that it was Smee, throws a slightly different complexion on it. Some people seem to think I aggrevated the situation and feel that it's ok to joke about my reaction. I objected to the comment being made on a public forum and gave Smee the opportunity to edit, possibly not a reflection of my own views, as Mark says it's a public forum and that crossed a line. At no point did I threaten to report him, only point out that I felt the line was serious enough to be reported. If anyone was aggressive and abusive, it was he (re-read the thread). If he had removed the line and said no more, that would have been the end, but we all know that that's not the style of a troll.
He made a direct threat to report me, and didn't. He apparently is banned, I am not. If the mods think I'm restarting they are free to wipe this.
I don't see why we should tolerate racist, anti-semetic, abusive, aggresive language and then get over it or be accused of not understanding the joke. I see a wrong and will say something. I will stick to my point of view as I believe it is right for me. Some of the comments in the F1 thread have bordered on (1970s) racism and I got over it!!

If, as someone said on the "oh dear" thread that 90% of the threads here follow in the same vain as Smee, then this is not a place I want to be, fortunately that is not the case.

I feel that many of the comments here are banter and that the level of discussion is generally good and not personal and doesn't abuse the forum, occasionally the fun is spoilt by a few.

I don't think there has been a rise in rudeness, or am I just less sensitive to it?

I really wanted the "oh dear" thread to continue but I lost interenet connection and it was closed. 😥 not in an antagonistic way, but when the level of abuse was controlled, it was good fun. Smee was offered the rope, he took the rope and hung himself.

Please don't stop the debates.... 😉

Argentina for the cup!!! 😆

People have always been rude on here. The way I see it is that there are two basic types of folk. One, and this includes me, realises that the internet is just a communication tool like a phone or a letter or a human voice and consequently treats it like any other human interaction, viz, as Samurai says, I'd not say anything on here that I wouldn't say to someone's face.

The second type of person thinks the net is some sort of advanced video game first person shoot-up - the other posters aren't 'real people' and you can say what the hell you want because it's all a game and there are no consequences in the real world.

When either group interracts with like-minded people, the results are fine:

1. People have civilised conversations.

2. People swap endless abuse, but neither side thinks it's real.

The problem comes when the two types squabble, at which point Mr or Ms Reasonable gets really upset and Mr or Ms Video Game can't see why.

I'm highly impressed by the advanced street-fighting abilities, vigilante tendencies, sexual prowess of the average STW poster, but it's a bit Walter Mitty isn't it 😉

2. People swap endless abuse, but neither side thinks it's real.

I see you read the comments on Youtube as well then.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Please, not James Martin, because [url= http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tv-chef-james-martin-cooks-up-a-storm-with-anti-cycling-remarks-23188 ]he's a cyclist hating tool of the highest order.[/url]

At least Delia only gets bladdered at Norwich games.

It's the same reason we don't watch Nigel Havers anymore:
[url= http://www.****/news/article-390359/On-yer-bikes.html ]Oh dear.[/url]

Or listen to Matthew Parris on Radio 4 any more, as the smug Tory-boy thinks [url= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article3097464.ece ]decapitating cyclists is ok. [/url]

Shame, I used to quite like 'Great Lives'.

A place with so many posters, and only 2 forums, seems destined to implode.

There's a 2 hour attention span.

Just to be clear re: my post above,

I wasn't for a moment suggesting that I'm the sort of person that'd give anyone a slapping. The point I was trying to make, in what I thought was a jocular stylee, was that it's easy to be rude when you're nice and warm and safe at the other end of an Internet connection. It's a bit like road rage, people feel indestructable and untouchable in their little metal boxes.

It's possibly also worth mentioning, I'm rarely serious. If I say something that can be taken two ways and one of them makes you angry, I probably meant the other one.

Cougar - Member

Just to be clear re: my post above,

I wasn't for a moment suggesting that I'm the sort of person that'd give anyone a slapping. The point I was trying to make, in what I thought was a jocular stylee, was that it's easy to be rude when you're nice and warm and safe at the other end of an Internet connection. It's a bit like road rage, people feel indestructable and untouchable in their little metal boxes.

It's possibly also worth mentioning, I'm rarely serious. If I say something that can be taken two ways and one of them makes you angry, I probably meant the other one.

Are you calling me a cock?
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That, clearly, is a joke. 😉

I knew it wasn't Fred, different style completely. What I hadn't picked up on was that it was Smee

Being on here is a learning curve. You learn how to understand posts and to tolerate others views whilst becomimg more sensitive to attitudes which may be different to your own ? Oh my god I sound like a bloody mtb'in hippy.....

Jason which pack ? I was first norton and then did 12 years as a leader as they struggled for adult assistance when my two boys were young. Did you do bob a job week ? how scary was that.

I'd have set his woggle on fire.......... 🙂

To be fair, his publicity people have done a fair job of trying to rehabilitate him. Is the bike in the picture his? Probably picked by a publicist to match the useless extension he's standing in front of.

However, the look of absolute terror on his face when he realised that his smug comments had endangered his 'career' was priceless.

He then retracted his claims, claiming that he made the story up, after calls for the cyclists involved to come forward and press charges.
Hmmn, comes across as a lovely chap, doesn't he?

I came here after bowing out at BikeMagic as it had become so personal, caustic & unnecessarily malicious, mostly from people who had no good intentions. Met a few and was disappointed in most of them TBH.

However, STW does seem to have gone down that route more and more of late. Over there the moderator (YKW) gave everyone a very free hand, resulting in so many of the threads degraded in front of your very eyes. Also, the moderators seemed very pro-active in their own opinionated posts and were simply mini-me's of their web forum. That, in my opinion is an error as people were getting death threats, verbal abuse and all manner of very unpleasant behaviour & the moderators though it wise to allow the behaviour. I know a few considered legal action against Magelica the parent company.

STW strikes a far more realistic balance and that's why their forums are more informed, more populated, balanced, lively and less clogged with the same-old-same-old aggressive long in the tooth trolls. I’ve met plenty of mtn bikers from these forums on biking events and none (bar one) are actually as bad as their barks. Strange how many on-line personas are out of sync with their real life personalities!

We just need to keep things in perspective and not get riled – easier said than done on occasions, I know!

I was in Malton Cub Scouts, used to be in the hut at the top of Wentworth street carpark next to St Johns Ambulance hut, yes I used to do bob a job week, I think it would be a lot scarier now though!!

Bit off topic, I know, but we're reminiscing...

+ 1 with Ti29er response. As I said we learn as we go and heh I was a proper village idiot at times but no hard feelings and I do like this forums advice,assistance and grown up debate.

Huts still there Jason and dib dib dob muca. Off topic but woggle buddies for ever 😯

Is it still Ok to be rude to Hora though?

No ! hes cut his own fingers off to save weight on rides !!!! Please be nice to him and read his now changed to "gloveless post"

[i]Met a few and was disappointed in most of them TBH.[/i]

No need at all.

STW is like the Lord of the Flies story. Its full of child like gangs, bullying and self opinionated rubbish. The thing that gets me is that some people are surprised by it. Let me tell you a little secret, ITS HUMAN NATURE to act like this.

The only people who come out of it with credit are those with their own opinions and those who are relaxed enough to stand back a little and accept that, in the end, none of it really matters

Ti29er you need to fess up who the "0ne" was

I came here after bowing out at BikeMagic as it had become so personal, caustic & unnecessarily malicious, mostly from people who had no good intentions. Met a few and was disappointed in most of them TBH.

I think certain types drift from forum to forum after they've burnt most of their bridges so its fair to say some of those from BM would be currently on here.

I've bought things from STW classifieds and have been gobsmacked at the nerve of 3 sellers. Two took the items back and one gave me money off. So I really don't believe every STW'er is good deep down.

The threats I've received- TBH not many but one of them really did lose it over something really minor. I couldnt see the logic in the vitorol.

I must agree- MOST STW'ers that I've met in the flesh have been normal etc. A few have been odd to say the least though- socially very-shy and a couple came across as bitter/angry-types.

Me? Luckily everyone thinks Im white etc and people actually don't realise that I am Indian. Thats the funny bit 🙂

an error as people were getting death threats

eeek! I had a crippling threat but was unable to send the person my address as there was no email in their profile 🙁

Me? Luckily everyone thinks Im white etc and people actually don't realise that I am Indian. Thats the funny bit

Cherokee or Navajo?

SFB? Someone threatened you? Seriously?

What I REALLY don't 'get' was some of the vitorol aimed at you when you were nominated/won a STW category for photography.
That really pissed me off.

I've only met you tentatively once but you strike me as someone who cares/has a passion for cycling etc and a good bloke.

There are those who post on here regularly, and who cross the line and get moderated, who claim it's just banter on the internet. Well, banter is great when you are with your mates in a pub or somewhere only your mates can hear you gob off with racist jokes and the like but this forum is not a private place in the pub with your mates. What you post on here is public. It is read by thousands. It's a public forum and in the same way you would not stand on a chair in the street and shout a racist joke and expect to not have people around you get quite upset about it, you don't get to do that on here.

SFB? Someone threatened you? Seriously?

I doubt it. He just wanted to bring the attention back to himself as it was in danger of focusing elsewhere for a nanosecond.

SFB? Someone threatened you? Seriously?

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blackshaw - Member

I've just read through this thread for the first time, and I must admit that if i ever saw sfb I'd really like to render him incapable of riding a bike permenantly for the sake of the rest of us.

I don't know how serious...

You do look like Chewbacca (but an even-hairier version) though. 😆

If you stripped off and roamed.....you'd start a [i]Rivington Yeti[/i] legend...

Threatening SFB or Hora is just giving attention to them ignoring them is far worse for them.
I have met them both and if I am honest you are both a lot quieter in real life than on here ... I suspect you may not have thought the same of about me 😯

I think some of the carachters on here are fine but I have to aggree with Mark many people do say stuff they would not /could not/should not say publicly. There is a line of decency/standards that should not be crossed.
Never understand why anyone wants to get violent and even less so over an argument/debate/frank exchange of ideas on the Internet.

Lol at Rivvy Big Foot Barnes joke