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I'm also in the "not on my watch" camp.
But it's going to be very easy for me to avoid, so no need for me to get outraged.
However, it is laughable how the entire transmission (mechs, shifters, cassettes) on 2 or maybe 3 of my bikes probably cost less than just one leccy rear mech.
Also, I have actually had a quick go on AXS and didn't like the ergonomics at all.
2 days and nobody has said Shimano brakes already have a binary on-off feel?
Also, I have actually had a quick go on AXS and didn't like the ergonomics at all.
By any chance was it sitting in the normal (mechanical) shifter position? Think it was an article by Ben that mentioned mounting it far further forward than the norm, and it does make a big difference. The standard position doesn't make sense as you're not moving a lever any distance, you can just put the pod right beside your thumb and sort of 'bump' the different buttons when you need to (this is also why I suspect that if you measured the full action of changing gear, it may be faster* than mechanical by the time your finger is back on the grip)
*by a tiny amount
My son's out in Morzine at the mo and just sent me this pic of his SLX mech. Apparently it didn't hit anything!
Imagine if he'd been out there with electronic mech - double the cost of the holiday to get it sorted!
Not strictly true, of course - you can buy the whole lower cage for about £30 with AXS. Do Shimano have something similiar?
Or is it £370 for a whole new DEORE level mech?! If I'm paying £370 for something I'd want a better name on it! Couldn't they have come up with new names for the Di2 stuff? I wonder how much Alivio will be... £250?? 🤣 (I'm not a groupset snob, oh no I'm not!)
SJS stock the inner & outer plates. Grand total of less than £30
TBH, I never need an excuse to buy shiny new stuff for my bike(s), I was, however, neutral about electronic shifting, my mate was right on it, and I was like, well, my stuff works fine, what's the point? Then I saw a GX setup ridiculously cheap, my inner bike Magpie clicked to buy, now most of the fleet is cableless.
SJS stock the inner & outer plates. Grand total of less than £30
You shore?
My son's out in Morzine at the mo and just sent me this pic of his SLX mech. Apparently it didn't hit anything!
Looking at the photo the lower jockey wheel is worn and possibly not the correct type. If 12 speed it's also missing the ridges around the outside that prevent the chain coming off and getting wedged between the jockey wheel and cage. Which is where the chain is, and probably caused the mech to fold around under pedalling.
Shimano SLX mechs are prone to doing that. Mine went in a similar way after a minor slow speed rock tap. The replacement XT one is still ok a couple of years later despite much heavier hits. Deore also seems much tougher.
Looks like an 11 spd mech.
inner plate £6.99 - part no Y5YX16000
outer plate £9.99 - part no Y5YX98070
2 speed it's also missing the ridges around the outside that prevent the chain coming off and getting wedged
inner plate £6.99 - part no Y5YX16...
etc etc
Wasn't the point of the post on a thread about wireless shifting!
I really don't care anyway. He bought a new one.
I took the thread to be about wireless vs mechanical, and thought it worth pointing out that as well as mechanical mechs being functional and relatively inexpensive compared to wireless numbers, they're also serviceable at reasonable prices. Seemed relevant to the issue you'd raised. Apologies if not.
One notable point i discovered recently, there are now some very decent CABLE disc brakes. I'm not really a fan of the hydraulic brifters, having seen lots of clubmates have issues with bleeding. But.... those 11 speed SRAM red cable shifters and some nice cable disks has got me interested in upgrading! And OMG Gold Growtac calipers on a road bike! Take. My. Money!
I could see a reversion to cable electronic in time and am now hunting another set of shifters or using my blip box and buttons 😀
Deore also seems much tougher.
What Gribs says. Deore rear mech paired with top end shifters runs, and runs, and runs. Or XT if you want to spend more. SLX seem to handle abuse poorly. Or it could be that people running them dish out more abuse... who knows.
Wasn't the point of the post on a thread about wireless shifting!
Except you posted a photo of destroyed rear mech with the words "didn't hit anything". It didn't origami itself in isolation. Everything happens for a reason.
No I didn't. I posted the words:
Apparently it didn't hit anything!
Which gives it a different context, as the words came from someone else. Duh.
The next words in the post were
Imagine if he'd been out there with electronic mech...
Sorry if they weren't more prominent.
Deore also seems much tougher.
What Gribs says. Deore rear mech paired with top end shifters runs, and runs, and runs. Or XT if you want to spend more. SLX seem to handle abuse poorly. Or it could be that people running them dish out more abuse... who knows.
I've wondered about checking if you can use xt jockey wheels in the deore mech to get the noticeable improvements of xt at a lower price.
Bigger issue may be that frame-builders stop including cable bosses on their new designs.
This is already an issue for road bikes, where the top end stuff just can't take gear cables so the only choice of gears is AXS or Di2.
Racing XC frames are probably going the same way, and fancy-dancy gravel frames too.
Those decisions might have as much of a bearing on cabled availability as the groupsets themselves.
Personally, wouldn't want a world where I didn't have a choice of a decent spec mech groupset, especially on an MTB or tourer.
But I do like AXS on my 'main' road bike FWIW.
I could see a reversion to cable electronic in time and am now hunting another set of shifters or using my blip box and buttons 😀
I have some very nice single speed drop bar brake levers on my old old junk bike - almost certainly worth more than the rest of the bike.
Thought of using them on a 1x12 gravel build with blips stuck on somehow. Gave up on the idea when I remembered it was cable brakes - are all road cable discs designed to work with a standard brifter cable pull?
No I didn't.
Yes you did, and that doesn't change the context or my reason for originally replying to you. Duh.
Bigger issue may be that frame-builders stop including cable bosses on their new designs.
Seems to have been limited to a couple of top-end frames so far, with plenty of pushback from punters.
I can't see product managers signing that off generally any time soon. They just won't be able to hit the price points they need to without cable-shift models.
(I'm thinking MTB here, I know leccy shifting has become more established on the road side)
They just won't be able to hit the price points they need to without cable-shift models.
wouldn't be so sure - I said a few pages ago that one of the hidden benefits of the T-type is that the mech can be installed by unkilled labour (no set up required) and can be done at a different stage of production (doesnt need the wheel, drivetrain and bars installed to do it).
manufacturer's cost to install isn't necessarily in a direct proportionality to the cost the individual components cost aftermarket.
Thought of using them on a 1x12 gravel build with blips stuck on somehow. Gave up on the idea when I remembered it was cable brakes - are all road cable discs designed to work with a standard brifter cable pull?
Blips underneath the brake lever mounts facing forward work well. (I've been testing). Can shift from the hoods and the drops fine. And yes, all calipers are road pull. Hence my interest! Only challenge I am working on is where to mount the blip box - an inverted Garmin mount under the garmin is first choice, but have yet to see a solution and have asked K edge if they could make a 90 degree rotated Garmin insert.
said a few pages ago that one of the hidden benefits of the T-type is that the mech can be installed by unkilled labour (no set up required) and can be done at a different stage of production (doesnt need the wheel, drivetrain and bars installed to do it).
Also, there's probably a small saving in not designing/testing/manufacturing internal or external cable/hose channelling/routing/gubbins in the frame building process...
Hate to say it but those raising reasons why frames will move to wireless-only are right. It will happen, it is happening. Not all frames but many. Internal routing is a PITA, cable ports weaken frame tubes and/or introduce points for QC issues, production lines don't like any of it, etc. Wireless-only isn't the only or best solution but it's the easier answer.
Bikes were simple, seems now they're full of fashion and tech that even most bike companies and assemblers don't like very much.