where are all the no dropper "get behind your saddle" folk?
What goes on in your bedroom is your business.
"A unique invention that has the potential to reshape the cycling industry."
Anglia Ruskin University
I know most of the riders who tested it at ARU as part of the study (wife was one of them).
Hideously uncomfortable for a tiny gain on the ups and slower on descents.....
Turns out that ARU doesn't stand for what that device made me assume it stood for.
Caution: do not use in CX races.
Does it come pre-lubed or do you supply your own? 🥴
On the plus side, if you have one fitted and your mate is willing to crouch on all fours, then they'd make a useful bike stand?
“A unique invention that has the potential to reshape the cycling industry.”
Anglia Ruskin University
...and reshape something else if you're not careful.
fair enough, I suppose it might suit somebody, but suggesting it as suitable for off road is a bit much
Is Jeremy Clarkson a patron?
Whilst I’m normally ambivalent to the cost of things bicycle related…
One hundred and twenty five ****ing (quite literally) quid for that!!
Why has someone glued a dildo to a saddle?
There's no way I'm clicking on any link that sits with a picture like that.
Looks like a first year civil engineering student went way off brief,when they asked him to design a piledriver.
I was going with a marketing firm who'd never seen a bicycle asking an AI programme to design a saddle based off their description of it and just accepting the outcome.
Honestly, that is something that I could see Alan Sugar looking at with disbelief in the boardroom as a bunch of egotistical candidates start arguing about who's fault it was that they lost the task through developing something that bad.
10 whole miles....
Could be useful for a commuter bike left chained in the open.
Any self respecting/sane thief would nick the one next to it instead.
When absolute horror and bewilderment turns into absolute laughter…
Saddlespur is more than just a seat.
jump on!
SaddleSpur™ has been designed to look as good as it feels.
That'll be terrible, then.
How SaddleSpur is Changing the Game for Women Cyclists
Fnnaaar
Imagine the damage that could do / joy it could bring when attached to the original spring loaded Gravity Dropper 😳
How SaddleSpur is Changing the Game for Women Cyclists
They all hated it in the ARU tests eg
that particular saddle was the most uncomfortable thing I have ever sat on
That bit appears to have been conveniently lost in the results.
“But SaddleSpur™ doesn't stop at comfort; it reimagines the interaction between the cyclist and the bike”
Does it now!!!
When I finished the arkle loop I was pretty done in. If I'd had that saddle I'd have been utterly ****ed
It’s not uncommon in entrepreneurs that they get so attached to their idea that they won’t accept any negative feedback
And then the dildo of consequence arrives...
Onzadog
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Why has someone glued a dildo to a saddle?
There’s no way I’m clicking on any link that sits with a picture like that.
My thoughts exactly, so I opened an incognito window instead. Imagine my surprise when I discovered this isn't a piss-take...
Unbelievable
Any volunteers to ride it ride your bike with it fitted if we all chip in to buy it for you?
This would need something exceptional ike the time Chris boardman wore a time trial suit in the tour de france and won or when lemond used time trial bars. At first they laughed, then they saw the result, the following year they all copied.
It just needs a brave pioneer to use one and win and prove its marginal gains and then we will all be using it. Unless the uci bans it.
I'm still not sure what it's supposed to do. Is it just to make sure you stay in the correct position? Tony Martin did glue sand paper to his saddle once to make sure he stayed put. Maybe they are into something.
I’m still not sure what it’s supposed to do. Is it just to make sure you stay in the correct position? Tony Martin did glue sand paper to his saddle once to make sure he stayed put. Maybe they are into something.
The use of a spur provides the rider with a resistive object against which they can push when applying
force during the pedal stroke. The absence of such a spur would in essence suggest
that some of the mechanical energy that is being generated in the pedal action is being
lost as the rider must generate internal resistive forces to maintain their position on the
saddle. Thus, the application of the spur would reduce these internal resistive forces,
thus reducing the associated metabolic cost of the exercise as less energy is lost per
pedal stroke.
Plus helping when leaning. Aimed at TT or road riding it seems, don't see anything mentioned about off-road?
Seems to make sense to me on the surface of it. Not that one of them is coming anywhere near my bike though 😬
Not that I am any good at interpreting the results myself, but perceived discomfort is one of the metrics in the paper and they say participants rated it well for comfort. Which doesn't fit with:
They all hated it in the ARU tests
above.
Did they fib in the paper? Did participants not report properly/truthfully? Mistake?
Edit
The paper:
Maybe they did two studies after they discovered the first one was using it incorrectally?
Maybe it'll go soft after a long ride ☺️
Did they fib in the paper? Did participants not report properly/truthfully? Mistake?
It was a paid for study, ARU has a business doing these sorts of things and wants more work. Results get massaged.
Fairly normal situation, a positive spin is put on everything.
I'm just going by the comments on our local club WA group from the riders in the study who are also discussing it. Not one has said they'd ever use it....
Plus helping when leaning. Aimed at TT or road riding it seems, don’t see anything mentioned about off-road?
Genuine question as I've never owned a road bike, but do road riders not stand up and move around on the bike at all? Like if negotiating tight bends, roundabouts or hopping up kerbs? I get on a TT bike you are essentially static, but do road riders not move around a bit out of the saddle?
Would this "device" not make that pretty hard
Tempted to post an Always Sunny GIF here, but better not eh.
I’ve made the mistake myself
Ah, did your saddle have the sticky-uppy bit in the middle then?
I can't wait to see the Wish/AliExpress/Temu versions ... or are they already out there?
It was a paid for study, ARU has a business doing these sorts of things and wants more work. Results get massaged.
There are some obvious ways to tilt the scales in a study. For example, choose a course that will exaggerate the benefits of the spur - I imagine steep climbs but not descents that would benefit moving around in the saddle. Also, a bike with an excessively slack seattube would probably help, especially if you fitted a layback seatpost.
Decades ago, I read a column by a motoring journalist. He said that they always took note of the types of roads that car manufacturers chose to let reviewers drive on in new car releases. That gave a big hint about what the car's strengths were so a proper road test needed to include the opposite types of roads. Same thing will apply with paid-for tests like this - you need to get all the details and then repeat the test under different conditions.
If the paper isn’t published in a quality peer reviewed journal then it’s just marketing.
Even if it has been peer-reviewed then it’s likely to be marketing.
Generally the truth only comes out with high quality meta-analyses.
The truth is nobody is going to want to ride a saddle with a cock on it. Nobody but porn stars.
Weve had the ass saver, is this the ass destroyer?
Generally the truth only comes out with high quality meta-analyses.<br /><br />
I feel this will require a Cockrane Review.
I've seen something like this before:
Looks strangely familiar...
Nice guys come last
Probably worth a fortune these days
I'd bet these guys would have loved one of those.
The truth is nobody is going to want to ride a saddle with a cock on it. Nobody but porn stars.
Sure?
What about headset top caps?
For example, choose a course that will exaggerate the benefits of the spur – I imagine steep climbs but not descents that would benefit moving around in the saddle.
It was designed and tested in Cambridge which is is very flat.
The Pinkbike comments section is loving this product. Much more lively debate than staid old Singletrack 😉
If the paper isn’t published in a quality peer reviewed journal then it’s just marketing.
Even if it has been peer-reviewed then it’s likely to be marketing.
The paper and their "executive summary" of the paper read very differently.
I wonder if it's been pulled from the site because they realised that people might actually read it, rather than just assume that there were too many words and enough "science" that people would just take their word for it.
Sure?
LOL yes.
Pinkbike comments
Are superb.
Tony Martin did glue sand paper to his saddle once to make sure he stayed put. Maybe they are into something.
In the context of the slight absurdity of this thread, I did have to check which one you meant
It’s not uncommon in entrepreneurs that they get so attached to their idea that they won’t accept any negative feedback.
I’ve made the mistake myself.
What was your product and at what point did you realise a great big walloper stock on it was a bad idea?